Analysis Assistant Changes for 2023

[agmsy]

Because when we don't we end up with Hinkley.

We've now got a generation of players whose understanding of Port Adelaide is largely or exclusively whatever bastardised impostor rubbish Hinkley has been feeding them.

 

[finbarr]

I can't see Ken's ego allowing a succession plan.

Good, he'll quit then. Not his call to make. He either accepts it or he packs up his U-Haul and leaves.

 

[malcheski]

I can't see Ken's ego allowing a succession plan.

Lucky Ken has zero say on the matter

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I don't know why people keep thinking Ken has any say in a succession plan. He doesn't, it's the club's call.

Mick Malthouse didn't want a succession plan. He was a kazillion times more successful than Hinkley but he still had to wear it.

 

[finbarr]

It's kinda cute to think Hinkley has any say in the matter.

 

[Alberton Proud]

 

[Enviable Tradition]

What's the worst that can happen?

He stays and sulks, we miss finals (just like this year) and we get a good pick after giving him the arse.

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[finbarr]

What's the worst that can happen?

He stays and sulks, we miss finals (just like this year) and we get a good pick after giving him the arse.

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If you've been failing at something for a decade and can't accept your employer's desire to start planning the years beyond your tenure, choosing to sulk instead, it would show you up as a person of poor character.
I fully expect him to stay and sulk because I view him as a person of poor character.

 

[Chachi]

Id be bringing paddy Ryder over as the ruck coach

Whoa hang mate..........we've got Lobbe on the books..............we're f**ken set

 

[Rexie J]

I don't know why people keep thinking Ken has any say in a succession plan. He doesn't, it's the club's call.

Mick Malthouse didn't want a succession plan. He was a kazillion times more successful than Hinkley but he still had to wear it.

In no way disagreeing Ford but considering PAFC management rolled over when Hinkley demanded the performance clause be removed from his contract, nothing would surprise.

I can imagine it now, "Hey, Kenny what do you think of this succession plan?"

 

[JimmyBC]

I can't see Ken's ego allowing a succession plan.

He doesn't need to know.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

He doesn't need to know.

Not telling the members would be a PR disaster

 

[Lockhart Road]

I don't know why people keep thinking Ken has any say in a succession plan. He doesn't, it's the club's call.

Mick Malthouse didn't want a succession plan. He was a kazillion times more successful than Hinkley but he still had to wear it.

Malthouse had McGuire telling him what was what.

Hinkley has Milquetoast Moi telling him what he wants to hear.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

I recall that Carr and Voss clashed too

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Malthouse had McGuire telling him what was what.

Hinkley has Milquetoast Moi telling him what he wants to hear.

Yes true, but I still think the bell is tolling.

Or the Carr is coming

 

[Freak Dodgeball Accident]

LOL Carr isn't taking over as head coach. We all know that Jordan Hinkley is the successor

 

[PowerLil]

I recall that Carr and Voss clashed too

I love that anyone that clashes with Kenny or his mates is out the door first...... Schofield, Carr. I think you can safely put Rehn in that category. I'm sure there are plenty others.

 

[finbarr]

Rehn never came across as particularly impressive. His radio bits presented him as a guy who'd say a lot of words without actually saying much. Wasn't surprised he was one of the first out the door when the club started pumping up the football department spend.

 

[MrMeaner]

This is the way I see a succession plan rolling out

It would mean the team is, effectively, coached by someone who is not Ken and Ken gets to spend more time on the dogs. Win-win.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Ken doing nothing in the deck chair while Carr coaches would be ideal.

They could just disconnect the phone to the box. We know Kenny will never wander down.

 

[finbarr]

This is the way I see a succession plan rolling out

It would mean the team is, effectively, coached by someone who is not Ken and Ken gets to spend more time on the dogs. Win-win.

This photo really highlights how much Hinkley has aged physically in a few short years. Comparing this to now is almost like comparing a photo of peak Pee-Wee Herman to the Paul Rubens police mug shot after the pornography incident.

 

[Long live PAFC]

• what if Hinkley succeeds next year? - What is the likelihood of this happening after 10 years?
• why would Ken agree to it? - He is an employee of the club, he doesn't decide who will be a senior assistant
• why would he take the bombers job now rather than stay on for a lame duck year? - Have they offered him a job?
• why give Hinkley another year then? - because he is contracted and we can't afford to cut him loose
• why would Ken show any commitment during a succession play? - What will he do, leave? Win-win.
• why Carr? - Why not? Maybe he is very good and well prepared to step up
• why does Carr need a ‘mentorship’? - Call it what you will, he will be coming to move up
• why would Bassett and Monty be ok with that? - again, if they're not they can leave. They're employees of the club, they don't make decisions on coaching positions
• why not Schoey? - Why Schoey? Or how do any of us know he's not being considered?
• why would any player come or work hard as the club has signalled it’s a ‘transition’ year? - a club is a continuous being, they're not here for one season

Fair response Fordy! And you’re on the money there, Hinkley, Carr and the rest will have to suck it up, if it happens. And definitely Carr over more Hinkley.

I guess my issue with succession plans is they rarely work, are disruptive(maybe that’s a good thing) and you have to wonder why you don’t just make the call? If you’ve decided to move him on, why not just cut him loose? And how does the club internally see it? One final hurrah for Ken or forget Ken and focus on Carr and 2024? For a club that wants to win flags, this plan basically sees we aren’t competing in 2023.

Also how’s the sell on this?

• We need a successor for a guy who hasn’t won a flag or made a GF after ten years in the job.
• Despite publicly questioning his position, we will let him complete his contract, despite the inability to gain an extension regardless of success and despite a clear desire to move him on and initiate change at the club.
• the club, Hinkley and players all came out strongly, criticised fans and threw their support behind Hinkley, only to turn around and say he isn’t our guy in 2024
• Not only that, we think he won’t bring us ultimate success but is still somehow the guy to mentor the next head coach who will bring change.
• And to add insult we haven’t even gone through a ‘process’ to ensure we get the best candidate.

We aren’t a basket case like Melbourne when they went Roos to Goodwin. We don’t need a steady hand after a drugs debacle like Essendon. We aren’t a champion club like hawthorn with clarko to Mitchell or Collingwood with Malthouse to Bucks.

Literally a solid, average coach becoming a lame duck for a year so we don’t have to pay out his contract (cheap). It’s laughing stock territory. It’s embarrassing. Good presidents, boards and clubs don’t do this.

 

[PowerBaz]

I love that anyone that clashes with Kenny or his mates is out the door first...... Schofield, Carr. I think you can safely put Rehn in that category. I'm sure there are plenty others.

Lade

 

[jdeezy]

With the sycophant Cornes now joining in with the media managed Barrett reporting this, surely there's a where there's smoke there's fire situation here. And if the club is really looking at bringing in Carr to be senior assistant with a view to him being head coach in 2024, then what are we achieving by not doing this sooner? If we're paying Donuts anyway, can we not just slide him into some bullshit Director of Coaching role and let Joshy do his thing, starting right now?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Fair response Fordy! And you’re on the money there, Hinkley, Carr and the rest will have to suck it up, if it happens. And definitely Carr over more Hinkley.

I guess my issue with succession plans is they rarely work, are disruptive(maybe that’s a good thing) and you have to wonder why you don’t just make the call? If you’ve decided to move him on, why not just cut him loose? And how does the club internally see it? One final hurrah for Ken or forget Ken and focus on Carr and 2024? For a club that wants to win flags, this plan basically sees we aren’t competing in 2023.

Also how’s the sell on this?

• We need a successor for a guy who hasn’t won a flag or made a GF after ten years in the job.
• Despite publicly questioning his position, we will let him complete his contract, despite the inability to gain an extension regardless of success and despite a clear desire to move him on and initiate change at the club.
• the club, Hinkley and players all came out strongly, criticised fans and threw their support behind Hinkley, only to turn around and say he isn’t our guy in 2024
• Not only that, we think he won’t bring us ultimate success but is still somehow the guy to mentor the next head coach who will bring change.
• And to add insult we haven’t even gone through a ‘process’ to ensure we get the best candidate.

We aren’t a basket case like Melbourne when they went Roos to Goodwin. We don’t need a steady hand after a drugs debacle like Essendon. We aren’t a champion club like hawthorn with clarko to Mitchell or Collingwood with Malthouse to Bucks.

Literally a solid, average coach becoming a lame duck for a year so we don’t have to pay out his contract (cheap). It’s laughing stock territory. It’s embarrassing. Good presidents, boards and clubs don’t do this.

But has anyone bar some posters here called it a succession plan?

Damian Barrett in his article said

If Carr was to return to the club at which he played a key role in the securing of its only premiership in 2004, he would be well placed to succeed Hinkley.

And that is the truth. I said a while back that whoever is appointed as senior assistant is perched on Ken's shoulder, just waiting.

Clubs and players back their coaches right up to the point they're let go.

Public pronouncements mean nothing. The club is going to present a unified front to the members. They're para-military like that.