Astbury - is he any good ?

["The Roar Is Back"]

Very rarely do one touch inexperienced players, fail or deteriorate with experience !!
Get on him an absolute beauty !!

 

[deledio7]

Pretty excited about this kid. So clean and seems a smart footballer. He also goes hard at the footy.

No reason he can't make it.

 

[Bojangles17]

wow dude u need to chill out and stop worrying about jumping at someone who is just pointing out the facts. We do have players that need to be dropped and we also have players who need to improve. Its a known fact. If we had an abundance of good players then we wouldn't be so far down the ladder, but we don't have those players and so that is why i am pointing out the need to drop some of our less successful players to make room for the future

listen partner ya just need to be careful what you say around these parts, this is a Tiger forum where we expect to see outpourings of adulation heaped on the RFC...anything remotely out of step from that mantra and we may as well subscribe to what the ***** on the collingwood board have to say about us....at ease, be part of the revolution

 

[JustTheTonic]

Yes, and don't dare say anything negative about Tambling!

Astbury looks to have all sorts of upside and potential.
Am very excited about the forward line prospects coming through - Griffiths, Taylor, Astbury, Westhoff - and Jack already shining. And Morton can surely has talent that can be harnessed consistently.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

EXACTLY. Heaven help any Richmond payer who shows any sort of ability first-up ... boy do the expectations quickly grow.

Would be interested to revisit any thread soon after Dean Polo's debut v the Bombers in Dreamtime at the G.

Bet there were plenty hailing the next midfield genius.

Fast forward five years, Polo has just laboured to the 50 game mark and is battling for his football survival, having equal the number of off-field discretions than influential games!!

Way too early to tell on Astbury ... just be staisfied he's showing a bit and has time on his side to develop.

I have nothing but pure faith in Astbury , Griffith and Post. All 3 will be very solid players for us for a very long time. They will all develop into very solid footballers next year.

 

[freezer]

making a long term call on a player after 5 or 6 games is nothing more than a pluck from the clacker and for all it';s worth, that's where it should remain

No-ones betting their house on it, but if you've been watching footy for long enough I reckon you can form a strong opinion on a player in a short time. Lids, Cotch, Martin, Axel, all looked the goods after a few games.....and jeez what else have we got to talk about re the tiges at the moment if we can't make sweeping statements about how good our kids are gonna be?

Talls take longer to develop and you normally see nothing from them this early. Astbury has shown plenty and has all the tools except the physique atm. Bar injury, will be a gun imho.

 

[Livonski]

Like a few of them he has the basics to make it. If he attacks his preparation with absolute fanaticism he'll make it for sure. I like him but he's got a long way to go. It's exciting to watch them develop. Fantastic to see Tiger supporters so enthusiastic with the strategy! Unheard of a few years ago, but it's not that bad to lose when you can see the path we're on.

 

[Mr Magic]

I am still salivating on his goal from the sideline.

As far as I am concerned on that effort and what he has shown with his movement and kicking for goal he has 4 years to prove himself.

Naturally I think he will. He has shown as much as JR at this stage if not more. I remember Reiwoldt taking the odd specky intially to raise the eyebrow but this guys kicking and movement for a guy 195cm and not physically developed is as good as it gets really. If anything this kids deserves as much gametime as possible.


By the way , I have figure out what to do with Post. I actually think this guy could be the biggest freak of a champion of the lot. As I have said at times he needs to power his legs of calves/thighs and ankles , short his stride and drive forward. This will come when he develops his lower body and balance with core strength improves. His body is being pushed by a skeleton and the moment and he needs the muscle definition in his legs in particular to be the power forward set the base for great performance.

However, I think Astbury and Grfiiths can be guns if the apply themselves. Astbury , also needs to develop his body and fill out in particular. But that is okay he is just starting really. Having said this, If we have all these in the team , plus a few others Post could pinch hit CHB before CHF . But we could also play POst at back pocket on the resting Ruckman. I think Griff eventually can help us in the Ruck particularly for Ruck contests in the forward line. If this happend we may be able to play Grimes as FB. There are a lot of ifs and buts in this of course. So I think there are plenty of options for all our tall talent going forward.

 

[Dustin Credible]

Really like this Kid! Just doesn't look like A 195cm player. As someone else said, he moves like and sub 190cm player.

Given that Jack is a lock as a KPF and Griffiths will likely be the other KPF, I'm starting to think I want him to play as a backman and possible swing him forward on the odd occasion. He obviously needs to fill out, but with the way he reads the play, his composure and good skills he would be a really good CHB. What I'm really hoping for is a Brian Lake type player.

I've been thinking something similar but coming from a different angle. Wondering who will be our CHB going forward, his name kept springing up, especially with the skill set as outlined by freezer (below) and yourself. But we drafted him as a KPF and we don't exactly have a surplus of key position forwards. Would we just be robbing peter to pay paul if we tried him at centre half back?

Thats the thing about him, he moves like a bloke who's sub 190cm. Once he fills out he'll be a really dangerous player, good on the ground and in traffic, and big enough to take a contested mark and play a key position.

 

[coke_zero]

I've been thinking something similar but coming from a different angle. Wondering who will be our CHB going forward, his name kept springing up, especially with the skill set as outlined by freezer (below) and yourself. But we drafted him as a KPF and we don't exactly have a surplus of key position forwards. Would we just be robbing peter to pay paul if we tried him at centre half back?

We have already told Goo to play at the other end of the ground. He has not played a game yet but has looked good at VFL. So riht now we can afford to keep pumping games into Astbury in the forward line.

 

[Croat tiger]

He should have kicked 3 last friday night.

This guy could be a Mark Le Cras or he could be a Chris Pym.


Time will tell - just checked his size - Is he really 195 cm ? wow

Chris Pym!, showing your age there peejay..oops so am I.

 

[Mr Magic]

JR isn't a lock KPF.


Unless our forward line is kicking 30 goals consistently every game it is always under review.

At the moment JR is going well at FF. However unless he kicks consistently 150 goals each year he ant no certainty to be there. Personally, JR is a lock but he isn't a lock FF.

I think JR can do exactly what his is doing now from the forward pocket!!

So JR for me is still a third tall and not necessarily a lock KPF which is a different concept again

 

[coke_zero]

JR isn't a lock KPF.


Unless our forward line is kicking 30 goals consistently every game it is always under review.

At the moment JR is going well at FF. However unless he kicks consistently 150 goals each year he ant no certainty to be there. Personally, JR is a lock but he isn't a lock FF.

I think JR can do exactly what his is doing now from the forward pocket!!

So JR for me is still a third tall and not necessarily a lock KPF which is a different concept again

Jack will play KPF for atleast till the end of the year. I want to see Astbury, Jack and Griff all in the forward line this week. 1-2 goals from each 3 would be a good result.

 

[peejay]

Chris Pym!, showing your age there peejay..oops so am I.

yes i am - i was there that night it was his 5th game - we were bottom amd the cheating bastards were equal top ( round 12 1988). The CB\s were up 5.6 to 1.4 at quarter time 7.12 - 4.10 at the long break andf we edged two points ahead at 3/4 time. Pym kicks three in the last , we kick 6.2 to 3.5 and beat the blues by 17 points on a cold friday night at the G.

Pym is playing his 5th game - he kicks up 16 kicks 6 marks and 11 handballs and kicks 3 goals 2.


Shows great signs that night and ends up having a 24 gane career.

 

[peejay]

wow dude u need to chill out and stop worrying about jumping at someone who is just pointing out the facts. We do have players that need to be dropped and we also have players who need to improve. Its a known fact. If we had an abundance of good players then we wouldn't be so far down the ladder, but we don't have those players and so that is why i am pointing out the need to drop some of our less successful players to make room for the future

I am chilled dude - i am just trying to work out who you really foolow. Hawthorn, Essendon or Richmond.

 

[wart101]

I still can't watch that frigging vid.

But it seems everyone thinks highly of him which is cool, ofcourse it's to early but we can all have an opinion.

 

[Bojangles17]

yes i am - i was there that night it was his 5th game - we were bottom amd the cheating bastards were equal top ( round 12 1988). The CB\s were up 5.6 to 1.4 at quarter time 7.12 - 4.10 at the long break andf we edged two points ahead at 3/4 time. Pym kicks three in the last , we kick 6.2 to 3.5 and beat the blues by 17 points on a cold friday night at the G.

Pym is playing his 5th game - he kicks up 16 kicks 6 marks and 11 handballs and kicks 3 goals 2.


Shows great signs that night and ends up having a 24 gane career.

so was I , rememember Idy pulling out with the heavens opening up, saying ya crazy

 

[theyellowsash]

why do we need to push jack away from being the main target? he is tall enough, almost strong enough, a great mark, and has proven that he can stand up as the number one target and perform. if he becomes the 3rd tall it will be because we have two even better forwards, which would probably mean we would have close to the best forward trio ever, given jacks development, age and likely improvement. the way i see how the 3 blokes can work together is this:

jack = lynch = full forward, stays near the goals taking the pack and 1 on 1 marks like he has been doing, since leading speed is probably his biggest flaw
ben = brown = bustling chf, fast agile with good hands and a big body, probably a bigger kick than jack
dave = bradshaw = swingman good enough to be main forward in his own right

or even have jack stay within 30m of goals, ben lead out to 50 from the square, and dave the roaming chf

 

[dothebowdenshuffle]

Really like this Kid! Just doesn't look like A 195cm player. As someone else said, he moves like and sub 190cm player.

Given that Jack is a lock as a KPF and Griffiths will likely be the other KPF, I'm starting to think I want him to play as a backman and possible swing him forward on the odd occasion. He obviously needs to fill out, but with the way he reads the play, his composure and good skills he would be a really good CHB. What I'm really hoping for is a Brian Lake type player.

I agree. He has looked very good down back v Cats and Saints. Love the way he is clean at ground level. Long time since we've had a tall back with that level of skill - could be a revelation down back.

 

[RECORDS!]

I don't remember reiwoldt doing any more in his first year. He's a very similar player to Jack. Both are 195cm, both smart players, both good on either foot, both good leap and marks. Jack would have been no better playing half a dozen games by midseason as an 18 year old. We'll have 2 Reiwoldts and a Plugger with a couple of dangerous chocolate frogs crumbing for goals

Please explain....

 

[tiggywigs]

So what would get if we could trade him next year? (Hypothetical, I know.) Pick 32? I don't think so. He's a top 20 already. The Tiger recruiters have finally come up with the goods. This lad and Nason and Webs alone have already shown we finally know how to look for talent. (Martin was a shoe in.) Astbury is a leader and talented. Will be be key player for the Tiges.

 

[Mr Magic]

'why do we need to push jack away from being the main target? he is tall enough, almost strong enough, a great mark, and has proven that he can stand up as the number one target and perform. if he becomes the 3rd tall it will be because we have two even better forwards, which would probably mean we would have close to the best forward trio ever, given jacks development, age and likely improvement. the way i see how the 3 blokes can work together is this:

jack = lynch = full forward, stays near the goals taking the pack and 1 on 1 marks like he has been doing, since leading speed is probably his biggest flaw
ben = brown = bustling chf, fast agile with good hands and a big body, probably a bigger kick than jack
dave = bradshaw = swingman good enough to be main forward in his own right

or even have jack stay within 30m of goals, ben lead out to 50 from the square, and dave the roaming chf'

Why do we even need a main target?

Close to the best trio ever- Exactly

We want the best forward line. defense and midfield ever plus the ruck to win 10 premierships 180 -20 scoreline in each final and dominant the competition.

We are here to kick ass!! There is no compromise on performance when we chase the cup!!!

We we are up and firing it will be on all cylinders second best is not good enough!

 

[coke_zero]

'why do we need to push jack away from being the main target? he is tall enough, almost strong enough, a great mark, and has proven that he can stand up as the number one target and perform. if he becomes the 3rd tall it will be because we have two even better forwards, which would probably mean we would have close to the best forward trio ever, given jacks development, age and likely improvement. the way i see how the 3 blokes can work together is this:

jack = lynch = full forward, stays near the goals taking the pack and 1 on 1 marks like he has been doing, since leading speed is probably his biggest flaw
ben = brown = bustling chf, fast agile with good hands and a big body, probably a bigger kick than jack
dave = bradshaw = swingman good enough to be main forward in his own right

or even have jack stay within 30m of goals, ben lead out to 50 from the square, and dave the roaming chf'

Why do we even need a main target?

Close to the best trio ever- Exactly

We want the best forward line. defense and midfield ever plus the ruck to win 10 premierships 180 -20 scoreline in each final and dominant the competition.

We are here to kick ass!! There is no compromise on performance when we chase the cup!!!

We we are up and firing it will be on all cylinders second best is not good enough!

Chuck Taylor in there aswell and we could have a very damaging forward line.

 

[santa claws]

dont really want to comment on the young talls for another couple seasons.
if post griffiths and astbury were playing full time at coburg atm you would not bat an eyelid. games they get now are bonuses and a ral boon to the club.

will say though i dont really see us playing all three as forwards. jack is not terribly quick and neither is astbury.
i really have a feeling and its just a feeling that griffiths will be developed as a ruckman/forward much in the ottens mould. or a bit like tippett at adelaide.

would not be surprised to see griffith spends time in the ruck this weekend.
just on the little i have seen of him i reckon he could be a damn good ruckman in the making.

 

[acr2751]

dont really want to comment on the young talls for another couple seasons.
if post griffiths and astbury were playing full time at coburg atm you would not bat an eyelid. games they get now are bonuses and a ral boon to the club.

will say though i dont really see us playing all three as forwards. jack is not terribly quick and neither is astbury.
i really have a feeling and its just a feeling that griffiths will be developed as a ruckman/forward much in the ottens mould. or a bit like tippett at adelaide.

would not be surprised to see griffith spends time in the ruck this weekend.
just on the little i have seen of him i reckon he could be a damn good ruckman in the making.

i would hate to see him in the ruck at this stage, high risk of being hurt hopeing to just see him move around the forward line to show us what he has got.
maybe after he has been around a couple of years and filled out and been shown how to protect himself we can throw him in there.