atg aussie test team

[Sonny Hayes]

Honestly think Smith has to be in already

Over 7000 runs at an average of 62.84 with 26 hundreds. Dominates at home, made runs for fun in India and England.

3rd highest average for Australia (Minimum of 20 innings) and will most likely reclaim number 2 in the long run once Marnus settles in to test cricket.

7th all time for test centuries for Australia.

Top 10 for runs scored for Australia and will push close to top 4 over the next 12 months.

 

[DaRick]

Bradman, Miller and Warne in the same changeroom would be interesting to watch, three mighty egos.

I think Miller and Warne would get along smashingly, but neither would care for Bradman (and vice versa).

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Needs more Voges.

 

[eth-dog]

How about ODI's, since they're on?

Hayden
Gilchrist (+)
Ponting (c)
Smith
Symonds
Hussey
Maxwell
Starc
Warne
Lee
McGrath

M Waugh
Watson
Jones
M Clarke (c)
Bevan
S Waugh
Haddin (+)
Johnson
Hogg
Bracken
McDermott

 

[BrownYouGun]

How about ODI's, since they're on?

Hayden
Gilchrist (+)
Ponting (c)
Smith
Symonds
Hussey
Maxwell
Starc
Warne
Lee
McGrath

M Waugh
Watson
Jones
M Clarke (c)
Bevan
S Waugh
Haddin (+)
Johnson
Hogg
Bracken
McDermott

Swap Bracken & Starc and Bevan with Hussey

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Maxwell in the all time ODI XI? Carn.

M Hayden
A Gilchrist (+)
R Ponting
D Jones
M Hussey
A Symonds
M Bevan
S Warne
B Lee
N Bracken
G McGrath
12th - S Watson

 

[eddiesmith]

How about ODI's, since they're on?

Hayden
Gilchrist (+)
Ponting (c)
Smith
Symonds
Hussey
Maxwell
Starc
Warne
Lee
McGrath

M Waugh
Watson
Jones
M Clarke (c)
Bevan
S Waugh
Haddin (+)
Johnson
Hogg
Bracken
McDermott

Jones well before Smith

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Maxwell in the all time ODI XI? Carn.

M Hayden
A Gilchrist (+)
R Ponting
D Jones
M Hussey
A Symonds
M Bevan
S Warne
B Lee
N Bracken
G McGrath
12th - S Watson

Good side. I'd have Watson in over Bevan as the A/R. People do forget how good he was in ODI cricket. Not sure about Bracken but for a left amor an astute choice.

 

[Pykie]

Smith is completely underrated in the short format.

People dismiss him as being an ordinary T20 player, despite him being dominant in the IPL at times. His record is very comparable in the IPL to Shane Watson's who is considered one of the best imports in the leagues history. Probably only behind Warner, AB and Gayle.

He's now 6th behind Ponting (30), Warner (18), Waugh (18), Finch (17), Gilchrist (16) for ODI 100's for Australia with 11.

He's the only one on that list other than Ponting that wasn't an opener, he has the second highest average of that group behind Warner with 43.71.

He has the third highest SR on that list behind Warner and Gilchrist with 88.63.

He 100% makes an ATG ODI side ahead of someone like Hussey.

Dean Jones was a trailblazer, he also played at a time when scoring rates were low and a player going at 70 SR and batting for 45 overs at that clip was considered a match winning innings. He's not a lay down misere for a ATG short format side. It's a bit like Trumper and the ATG test sides.


I'd have Maxwell ahead of Bevan and Symonds. I'd take Symonds ahead of Bevan for a modern ODI.

A combo of Maxwell and Symonds with their bowling options, fielding etc would be unbelievable in the same side.

 

[eth-dog]

Smith is completely underrated in the short format.

People dismiss him as being an ordinary T20 player, despite him being dominant in the IPL at times. His record is very comparable in the IPL to Shane Watson's who is considered one of the best imports in the leagues history. Probably only behind Warner, AB and Gayle.

He's now 6th behind Ponting (30), Warner (18), Waugh (18), Finch (17), Gilchrist (16) for ODI 100's for Australia with 11.

He's the only one on that list other than Ponting that wasn't an opener, he has the second highest average of that group behind Warner with 43.71.

He has the third highest SR on that list behind Warner and Gilchrist with 88.63.

He 100% makes an ATG ODI side ahead of someone like Hussey.

ODI's more than test matches are absolutely a product of roles. Smith has a better record than Hussey, absolutely, but does that make him a better 6 or 7 than him? Not one bit, Smith is a top 4 batsman in ODI cricket, Hussey is a 5-7 batsman and one of the best going around.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Smith is completely underrated in the short format.

People dismiss him as being an ordinary T20 player, despite him being dominant in the IPL at times. His record is very comparable in the IPL to Shane Watson's who is considered one of the best imports in the leagues history. Probably only behind Warner, AB and Gayle.

He's now 6th behind Ponting (30), Warner (18), Waugh (18), Finch (17), Gilchrist (16) for ODI 100's for Australia with 11.

He's the only one on that list other than Ponting that wasn't an opener, he has the second highest average of that group behind Warner with 43.71.

He has the third highest SR on that list behind Warner and Gilchrist with 88.63.

He 100% makes an ATG ODI side ahead of someone like Hussey.

Smith dominant in the IPL? When exactly? Even Smith would admit he was very average this year! You might want to check Watson's IPL stats, he is a mile ahead especially S/R's, makes big runs and hundreds, and can go large, Smith hasn't really done that yet. Don't have an issue though as I'd rather him dominate tests and WC's.

He wouldn't be in contention for Hussey's role. Hussey is the finisher. Smith is against the middle order bats- Ponting, Jones, etc. Would he make it, borderline. Would be him or Jones. Jones was pretty dominant in his era.

 

[Pykie]

ODI's more than test matches are absolutely a product of roles. Smith has a better record than Hussey, absolutely, but does that make him a better 6 or 7 than him? Not one bit, Smith is a top 4 batsman in ODI cricket, Hussey is a 5-7 batsman and one of the best going around.

That's not to say Smith couldn't play it either.

It's a bit like putting Ponting at #5 in an ATG test side. He played #3 for most of his career, does it mean you still wouldn't play him ahead of Clarke, Waugh, Walters or Hussey who statistically are some of the best #5's in test history with averages of around 50 in the position? Waugh has the most 100's at 5 in history.

I'd still play Ponting or G.Chappell ahead of them though.

 

[Pykie]

Smith dominant in the IPL? When exactly? Even Smith would admit he was very average this year! You might want to check Watson's IPL stats, he is a mile ahead especially S/R's, makes big runs and hundreds, and can go large, Smith hasn't really done that yet. Don't have an issue though as I'd rather him dominate tests and WC's.

He wouldn't be in contention for Hussey's role. Hussey is the finisher. Smith is against the middle order bats- Ponting, Jones, etc. Would he make it, borderline. Would be him or Jones. Jones was pretty dominant in his era.

Case in point.

Smith - 86inn, 2333 runs @ 35.35, SR 129.25.

Watson - 141inn, 4217 runs @ 30.99 @ SR 137.91

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'd easily back Hussey at 6/7 over Smith. Hussey did that time and time again. One of Bevan/Hussey will make the side. It's up to you which one you want. Personally it's Hussey with Watson playing as the A/R.

 

[cricketnut14]

How about ODI's, since they're on?

Hayden
Gilchrist (+)
Ponting (c)
Smith
Symonds
Hussey
Maxwell
Starc
Warne
Lee
McGrath

M Waugh
Watson
Jones
M Clarke (c)
Bevan
S Waugh
Haddin (+)
Johnson
Hogg
Bracken
McDermott

good sides but i think warner, finch, g chappell and lillee at least rate a mention.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Case in point.

Smith - 86inn, 2333 runs @ 35.35, SR 129.25.

Watson - 141inn, 4217 runs @ 30.99 @ SR 137.91

Watson has FOUR hundreds in the IPL. Has Smith even made one? Don't remember him making one, if he has it's just one. That S/R is a mile better too, 8 difference is a fair amount in a T20.

 

[Pykie]

I'd easily back Hussey at 6/7 over Smith. Hussey did that time and time again. One of Bevan/Hussey will make the side. It's up to you which one you want. Personally it's Hussey with Watson playing as the A/R.

Bevan 100% doesn't suit modern ODI cricket.

He was an absolute champion of the format, a fantastic player of his era, he makes an ATG side.

I still wouldn't pick him for a game tomorrow of every player in their prime.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

good sides but i think warner, finch, g chappell and lillee at least rate a mention.

Lillie maybe good shout there. Warner and Finch no- would they make it over Hayden/Gilchrist?

 

[eth-dog]

That's not to say Smith couldn't play it either.

It's a bit like putting Ponting at #5 in an ATG test side. He played #3 for most of his career, does it mean you still wouldn't play him ahead of Clarke, Waugh, Walters or Hussey who statistically are some of the best #5's in test history with averages of around 50 in the position? Waugh has the most 100's at 5 in history.

I'd still play Ponting or G.Chappell ahead of them though.

Because in the format where you bat is more of a defined role.

Hussey was one of the best finishers in the game. Not "could have been" like Smith, was. Straight up and down.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Bevan 100% doesn't suit modern ODI cricket.

He was an absolute champion of the format, a fantastic player of his era, he makes an ATG side.

I still wouldn't pick him for a game tomorrow of every player in their prime.

Then it's Hussey, and that's the wayI'd go myself as well. Bevan was very good, Hussey was Bevan except he'd have a S/R at over a run a ball most times.

 

[Pykie]

Watson has FOUR hundreds in the IPL. Has Smith even made one? Don't remember him making one, if he has it's just one. That S/R is a mile better too, 8 difference is a fair amount in a T20.

Watson opened for the majorty of his IPL career.

Smith bats #3 and #4 in the league.

90% of T20 tons are made by openers, it's a terrible statistic to compare their careers on.

Smith has made 1 x ton in the IPL and he's still 60 innings behind Watson.

He also goes at close to the same rate of 50's per innings as Watson did.


You are the perfect example of a guy who judges and dismissed Smith in the format on his technique etc.


He's a destructive T20 player and statistically in the best 10 overseas batsman in IPL history.

His record is every bit comparable to Watson's.

 

[cricketnut14]

Honestly think Smith has to be in already

Over 7000 runs at an average of 62.84 with 26 hundreds. Dominates at home, made runs for fun in India and England.

3rd highest average for Australia (Minimum of 20 innings) and will most likely reclaim number 2 in the long run once Marnus settles in to test cricket.

7th all time for test centuries for Australia.

Top 10 for runs scored for Australia and will push close to top 4 over the next 12 months.

i think the real question is, if smith retired tomorrow would he feature in australia's best XI ?

At a minimum, he has to be spoken in the same breath as Ponting & G.Chappell as our 2best bat ever

he may not chase down pontings 13,000+ runs or play 168 tests, but if he makes 10,000+ runs @ 55+ it's enough for me to place him right behind bradman.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Watson opened for the majorty of his IPL career.

Smith bats #3 and #4 in the league.

90% of T20 tons are made by openers, it's a terrible statistic to compare their careers on.

Smith has made 1 x ton in the IPL and he's still 60 innings behind Watson.

He also goes at close to the same rate of 50's per innings as Watson did.


You are the perfect example of a guy who judges and dismissed Smith in the format on his technique etc.


He's a destructive T20 player and statistically in the best 10 overseas batsman in IPL history.

His record is every bit comparable to Watson's.

Smith opened a fair bit this year. Smith is okay in t20’s but he’s not great at them yet, neither was Virat for quite a while. Smith will get better the more t20’s he plays though. Watson was elite in t20 it’s no bad thing if he doesn’t end as good as Watson.

 

[cricketnut14]

Lillie maybe good shout there. Warner and Finch no- would they make it over Hayden/Gilchrist?

either way stiff to miss out - i guess you could tinker with the 2nd XI as warner/finch as a pair and individually, as their stats back up.

play m.waugh @ 3

so many one day stars we have produced and i guess you can't get them alll in.

 

[Pykie]

i think the real question is, if smith retired tomorrow would he feature in australia's best XI ?

At a minimum, he has to be spoken in the same breath as Ponting & G.Chappell as our 2best bat ever

he may not chase down pontings 13,000+ runs or play 168 tests, but if he makes 10,000+ runs @ 55+ it's enough for me to place him right behind bradman.

Sorry, this isn't even a question.

He averages just under 63 with 26 tons from 70+ test matches. This isn't a case of Adam Voges.

He also has GOAT like records in just about every foreign country he has visited. The main one being England where his record is second only to Bradman himself where he has played his entire career against statistically Englands greatest ever fast bowling duo.

He averages 55+ in England, Australia, India, New Zealand and the WI

Smith makes an all time world test XI based on his current record let alone Australia's.