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Politics Aussie Fascists, (neo)Nazis and Leg Spinners
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I'd like the same thing to happen to this campaigner, ship him over the ditch pls
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Gralin
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he's been here since he was a child, he's our problem to deal with
Australia is where he got radicalised and become a nazi
making him New Zealands problem is in poor taste especially after they've already had to deal with the Christchurch massacre which was committed by an Australian that was groomed by Sewell and Cottrell
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It's hilarious what people (leftists) will tell themselves to internally justify their worldview. The above is such a lie, you must admit this to yourself. The Left "don't want to exclude based on race or ethnicity", please.
First the left doesn't care about race, ethnicity or gender, they are just easy points of leverage to advance their goals, political points of weakness they created in academia to leverage their position - the left don't care about race or ethnicity in totality, if you're a rich minority or a rich women, they (you) will still tear them down. Issues of race, ethnicity, gender are just convenient dog whistles, tools to an end.
Second, even if we say you really do care about those issues (which again, you don't) and we proceed from the fantasy that you do not want to exclude based on race or ethnicity, you'll be just as authoritarian against the 'others' you deem justifiable. You will exclude and punish the successful, the religious, the capable. They are expendable, their rights and interests morally receivable to advance your position. The left is equally as exclusionary as its counterpart on the right.
It's morally reprehensible. Your points about the far right are accurate, but no one is (reasonably) advocating for those positions. Yet there are plenty in the world, and plenty on SRP, who would, and do, call for the exact same but from the position of the left in the name "socialism" or "communism". They don't hide from these labels, they stand by them, and advocate for them, and by doing so - are (whether they understand it or not) calling for the eradication of the capable in favour of the incapable.
And you know what, I would actually respect the position out of fundamental selfishness if it made sense. If you were a decrepit failure of an individual, incapable of supporting yourself - and communism or socialism would actually lead to a better life, I would (while disagreeing with it) at least recognise that they're advocating for something logical and in their own selfish interest. But the hilarious part is, the system they call for, the destruction of the capable that they crave, would lead in the medium-long term, to a worse life for themselves. That is the great irony, and why I can't even "respect the hustle" of alleged socialists and communists, because they're too stupid to see that it won't even achieve what they want.
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I get the schadenfreude aspect you are reveling in, but not sure we need to be giving this guy's views any more publication than they need to be, some pretty extreme rhetoric here.
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Are you a socialist or a communist? If not, then I'm not calling you a liar. And even if you are, it's not necessarily a lie you are aware of, but it is inherent in your position.
And second, I'm not saying that the inclusion of disadvantaged minorities excludes the competent, they are not linked, in any way. But the socialist and communist policies are designed to tear down and exclude the competent in favour of the incompetent, and that is good for no one.
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Bet he's perfectly OK with the same scenario happening in the US with ICE raids.
And that's on people far less deserving of being kicked out than white supremacists.
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They really aren't.
For all your rantings about socialism, you appear to know pretty much nothing about it. Perhaps read more widely.
If you're going to disagree with something, at least do the bare minimum of understanding it.
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This is sophistry.
Either those who are of a left wing persuasion - who espouse beliefs in equality for all - don't really believe what they're saying or they do. So I repeat: do you truly think we're all lying?
And as far as I can tell, there are no lies inherent in my political position. Perhaps you could attempt exposure of them.
That's what you said, though:
You lot call all of us socialists and communists whether we are or not an awful lot, FBI.
The problem I have with your posting here is (ironically enough) the same problem I have with the way a lot of lefties argue: they treat the conversation as having been had and as though they won it and do not need to rehash it again. Your logic is not so immediately obvious as to flow from your points; this is not a conversation that has been 'had'.
If you're going to throw accusations of authoritarianism alongside dishonesty at your political opposition, I'm rather going to want to take a look at your working out.
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Yes. I don't believe anyone of left wing persuasion truly believes in equality for all.
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I will consider and respond to your second points later.
Crankyhawk
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Machete in the dark would do it
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I do share I think one of FBIs fears re communism which is why will some individuals choose to work and strive if others just sit on their arse and get the same reward?
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I'd say the bolded is probably not a particularly accurate reflection of the practical reality of either philosophy. Plus, when there's been studies on Universal Basic Income it basically results in the opposite of laziness - when people are assured of a minimum standard of living, they take more risks in starting their own businesses because they know they're not going to be homeless if it fails.
Socialism and Communism also aren't the same thing, much as FBI likes to lump them in together, and AFAIK there's no one advocating for full-blown utopian communism everyone gets exactly the same outcome anyway.
Australia already does heaps of socialist things; healthcare, education, infrastructure. All that publicly funded stuff is sOcIaLiSt. Not everyone benefits equally from it.
People act like you can only have one or the other. There's nothing stopping any country from taking the good bits from any system or philosophy. You can have well-regulated capitalism with a healthy dose of socialism to ensure a basic standard of living for every citizen regardless of their start in life. You can tax public resources (aka Australia's mining or gas resources) to ensure that the wealth of finite public resources aren't funneled into private hands to the detriment of the people of Australia.
I'm sure there's other parties out there, I just happen to know these guys are in Victoria. Take a read of their policies, many of them are 'socialist' but actually read some of the policies and see what you think.
Our Policy Platform | Victorian Socialists
FBI uses socialism or communism the way other people use woke; he just labels anything and anyone he doesn't like as socialist even if he doesn't know why or what it means. Also, to be clear, FBI has repeatedly said he doesn't believe in democracy and that government should be run by an 'enlightened philosopher king' a.k.a a dictatorship.
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Crankyhawk
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Yeah I was more thinking communist and based on what my parents told me of life in communist China.. agree that some degree of socialism is a good thing and from where we currently are in Australia we probably need a bit moreI'd say the bolded is probably not a particularly accurate reflection of the practical reality of either philosophy. Plus, when there's been studies on Universal Basic Income it basically results in the opposite of laziness - when people are assured of a minimum standard of living, they take more risks in starting their own businesses because they know they're not going to be homeless if it fails.
Socialism and Communism also aren't the same thing, much as FBI likes to lump them in together, and AFAIK there's no one advocating for full-blown utopian communism everyone gets exactly the same outcome anyway.
Australia already does heaps of socialist things; healthcare, education, infrastructure. All that publicly funded stuff is sOcIaLiSt. Not everyone benefits equally from it.
People act like you can only have one or the other. There's nothing stopping any country from taking the good bits from any system or philosophy. You can have well-regulated capitalism with a healthy dose of socialism to ensure a basic standard of living for every citizen regardless of their start in life. You can tax public resources (aka Australia's mining or gas resources) to ensure that the wealth of finite public resources aren't funneled into private hands to the detriment of the people of Australia.
I'm sure there's other parties out there, I just happen to know these guys are in Victoria. Take a read of their policies, many of them are 'socialist' but actually read some of the policies and see what you think.
Our Policy Platform | Victorian Socialists
victoriansocialists.org.au
FBI uses socialism or communism the way other people use woke; he just labels anything and anyone he doesn't like as socialist even if he doesn't know why or what it means. Also, to be clear, FBI has repeatedly said he doesn't believe in democracy and that government should be run by an 'enlightened philosopher king' a.k.a a dictatorship.
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No policies on animal rights means I won't vote for them. But the policies that are there look pretty good.I'd say the bolded is probably not a particularly accurate reflection of the practical reality of either philosophy. Plus, when there's been studies on Universal Basic Income it basically results in the opposite of laziness - when people are assured of a minimum standard of living, they take more risks in starting their own businesses because they know they're not going to be homeless if it fails.
Socialism and Communism also aren't the same thing, much as FBI likes to lump them in together, and AFAIK there's no one advocating for full-blown utopian communism everyone gets exactly the same outcome anyway.
Australia already does heaps of socialist things; healthcare, education, infrastructure. All that publicly funded stuff is sOcIaLiSt. Not everyone benefits equally from it.
People act like you can only have one or the other. There's nothing stopping any country from taking the good bits from any system or philosophy. You can have well-regulated capitalism with a healthy dose of socialism to ensure a basic standard of living for every citizen regardless of their start in life. You can tax public resources (aka Australia's mining or gas resources) to ensure that the wealth of finite public resources aren't funneled into private hands to the detriment of the people of Australia.
I'm sure there's other parties out there, I just happen to know these guys are in Victoria. Take a read of their policies, many of them are 'socialist' but actually read some of the policies and see what you think.
Our Policy Platform | Victorian Socialists
FBI uses socialism or communism the way other people use woke; he just labels anything and anyone he doesn't like as socialist even if he doesn't know why or what it means. Also, to be clear, FBI has repeatedly said he doesn't believe in democracy and that government should be run by an 'enlightened philosopher king' a.k.a a dictatorship.
This isn't a surprise.
If someone is a rabid trump/maga supporter, democracy (and any sort of fairness or decency full stop) runs counter to what that person believes.
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I suspect in general if you separated policy from parties, there'd be a lot of 'conservatives' supporting progressive policies.
Instead people treat it like a team sport and ignore policy.
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I'm not sure we've seen any major government that's genuinely communist; the CCP is pretty totalitarian and has plenty of capitalism going on, Russia has the oligarchs and a dictator.
Like many things - including democracy - how they look in a textbook and how they look in reality aren't necessarily the same thing.
Luckily, we don't have to pick just one thing, much as people like FBI pretend that's how it works.
Crankyhawk
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Current CCP is totalitarian, but was thinking more earlier times like cultural revolution (equalise everyone by throwing the educated into fields)
