Australia Should Host the 2018 or 2022 World Cup

[XFactor1979]

if you think about it on a grand scale
700 million people watched the world cup final that's 10% of the whole world population

and 2.5 million people watched the afl grand final, thats 10% of the population of australia...

its only fair

 

[Mr_Bojangles]

Would bring plenty of violence, how many people have been in a pub with firms. People who live in Sydney and Melbourne would already know about the problems with ethnic violence. Could be solved though within a decade i guess though.

Have been watching Football Factory have we? There are no 'firms' in Australia with the exception of wannabe mockneys or ultras that follow the Victory or Sydney FC. The violence from our 'ethnic' friends would be the same as the Australian Open perhaps and the tennis isn't nearly 1/10th as policed as a World Cup would be. If FIFA had an issue with games on in the middle of the night or early morning for the USA then why did Japan/South Korea get it?

I hope this thread doens't just descend in to utter pish like everything in the 'gloves are off' subforum.

We've got a chance, I hope we get it but not surprised if we don't.

 

[mojito]

Would bring plenty of violence, how many people have been in a pub with firms. People who live in Sydney and Melbourne would already know about the problems with ethnic violence. Could be solved though within a decade i guess though.

We were debating this point in the trollfest further up the forum. Here's my post addressing said issue.

Source?

The only two reported thefts during the WC were that group of Aussies (I think it was) and a couple of Spanish players. If a country like SA can do that, then why can't we? Good article here regarding SA

06 was similar in not much violence happening, apart from a few pi$$ed Englishmen being English and committing some vandalism-related charges.

And you call yourself unbiased? hah...right

 

[chargers 09]

Have been watching Football Factory have we? There are no 'firms' in Australia with the exception of wannabe mockneys or ultras that follow the Victory or Sydney FC. The violence from our 'ethnic' friends would be the same as the Australian Open perhaps and the tennis isn't nearly 1/10th as policed as a World Cup would be. If FIFA had an issue with games on in the middle of the night or early morning for the USA then why did Japan/South Korea get it?

I hope this thread doens't just descend in to utter pish like everything in the 'gloves are off' subforum.

We've got a chance, I hope we get it but not surprised if we don't.

Not even going to bother.... you been overseas before?

 

[Mr_Bojangles]

Not even going to bother.... you been overseas before?

2 world cups, a confederations cup, two old firms, Celtic away in Europe and numerous other matches. Is that enough for me to validated on a football forum? Fuxake..

 

[Godzke]

Good to see David Moyes chipping in with his positive thoughts on our World Cup bid after Everton's tour down under.

 

[Michael2010]

I think Australia truly and utterly deserve the 2022 World Cup. Australia is Asia's number 1 footballing nation. Australia is ranked 20th in the world above the likes of France even. Australia is in the perfect timezone for Asian viewers and Australia already has like 90% of the stadiums already built, if not more. It's not a figment of an imaginary graphic design video made by someone in madras for 5 dollars.

Australia's also the only continent that's never hosted the world cup. No nation has achieved more in such a short space of time and done more for football development recently than Australia. What has Qatar done in football? Jacksh*t. Never qualified, has no population only like 400k real citizens and has one major city doha. They have one tourist attraction the cornish. I've lived in Qatar, their bid is the most laughable bid of all time honestly, creating the biggest economic waste in recent history with 10-12 stadiums that'll never be used again.

Australia on the other hand will use all of them. The AFL, NRL etc everyone will benefit and while everyone is here, the AFL can massively advertise the sport. The AFL were planning to go to India for games, I mean come on ffs. If the AFL stuffed this bid up then they've just shot themselves in the foot same with the NRL. Both sports can benefit from it via stadiums/mass exposure and Australian Tourism as well plus the injection of additional construction jobs and overseas investment into Australia. It's a major FAIL if Australia don't win this bid, for the whole of Australia.
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[Mr_Bojangles]

I think Australia truly and utterly deserve the 2022 World Cup. Australia is Asia's number 1 footballing nation. Australia is ranked 20th in the world above the likes of France even. Australia is in the perfect timezone for Asian viewers and Australia already has like 90% of the stadiums already built, if not more. It's not a figment of an imaginary graphic design video made by someone in madras for 5 dollars.

Australia's also the only continent that's never hosted the world cup. No nation has achieved more in such a short space of time and done more for football development recently than Australia. What has Qatar done in football? Jacksh*t. Never qualified, has no population only like 400k real citizens and has one major city doha. They have one tourist attraction the cornish. I've lived in Qatar, their bid is the most laughable bid of all time honestly, creating the biggest economic waste in recent history with 10-12 stadiums that'll never be used again.

Australia on the other hand will use all of them. The AFL, NRL etc everyone will benefit and while everyone is here, the AFL can massively advertise the sport. The AFL were planning to go to India for games, I mean come on ffs. If the AFL stuffed this bid up then they've just shot themselves in the foot same with the NRL. Both sports can benefit from it via stadiums/mass exposure and Australian Tourism as well plus the injection of additional construction jobs and overseas investment into Australia. It's a major FAIL if Australia don't win this bid, for the whole of Australia.
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Please avoid the World CUp Bid subforum, you'll be persecuted for your beliefs.

We're a very good chance and we've proved that we can handle the biggest events on the planet time and time again. Qatar won't get it due to weather, the situation with alcohol and the fact there will be more white elephant stadiums than Australia. Although we've got a very well organised bid it's the US that's the problem and the money that comes with it. The whole 'it was only in 1994 when they had it last' argument doesn't hold much water now.

 

[nobbyiscool]

to be really, really honest - i don't see it happening for us in 2022.

the world cup is generally awarded based on one of two criteria - development (south africa, korea/japan, usa) or desert (brazil, germany).

of course their is a third criteria, and a country won't get the world cup if it can't offer this crucial third criteria - money.

i really think that 2018 will go to england based on desert (and money). russia doesn't offer enough to the game in terms of development to offset the money and desert of england.

and 2022? well, to read the international press, australia's chances go from 'underdogs' to 'favourites' on a weekly basis. for me, we certainly don't deserve it based on footballing heritage. with a population of 20 million, we aren't a development market. and we've got nowhere near the money of usa or qatar.

i think over the next couple of months we're likely to see the asian confederation come out strongly in support of qatar. western asia can be a big development market, and they've obviously got more money than a bull can shit. and that will spell the end of our bid, if our own confederation doesn't support us.

not that qatar will get it either. there's so much money in the usa. despite what doubters will say, the 94 world cup had a massive impact on the game there, and another world cup could really set it off to unseat ice hockey as their fourth sport. add to that the fact that companies like coca cola, visa, budweiser and mcdonalds bank roll the world cup... and at a miserly 20 million people, we unfortunately don't stand a chance.

asia will see the writing on the wall at some point over the next 4 months. they'll pull support for australia in the next month or two, then they'll eventually pull support for qatar because fifa will get in their ear and say that 2026 is theirs if china will put in a bid. china, followed by india, are really the final frontiers for football. they don't give a shit about australia because of the money factor that i've previously alluded to.

 

[Michael2010]

to be really, really honest - i don't see it happening for us in 2022.

the world cup is generally awarded based on one of two criteria - development (south africa, korea/japan, usa) or desert (brazil, germany).

of course their is a third criteria, and a country won't get the world cup if it can't offer this crucial third criteria - money.

i really think that 2018 will go to england based on desert (and money). russia doesn't offer enough to the game in terms of development to offset the money and desert of england.

and 2022? well, to read the international press, australia's chances go from 'underdogs' to 'favourites' on a weekly basis. for me, we certainly don't deserve it based on footballing heritage. with a population of 20 million, we aren't a development market. and we've got nowhere near the money of usa or qatar.

i think over the next couple of months we're likely to see the asian confederation come out strongly in support of qatar. western asia can be a big development market, and they've obviously got more money than a bull can shit. and that will spell the end of our bid, if our own confederation doesn't support us.

not that qatar will get it either. there's so much money in the usa. despite what doubters will say, the 94 world cup had a massive impact on the game there, and another world cup could really set it off to unseat ice hockey as their fourth sport. add to that the fact that companies like coca cola, visa, budweiser and mcdonalds bank roll the world cup... and at a miserly 20 million people, we unfortunately don't stand a chance.

asia will see the writing on the wall at some point over the next 4 months. they'll pull support for australia in the next month or two, then they'll eventually pull support for qatar because fifa will get in their ear and say that 2026 is theirs if china will put in a bid. china, followed by india, are really the final frontiers for football. they don't give a shit about australia because of the money factor that i've previously alluded to.

desert?? what? I didn't know people won world cup bids on food.

Anyway here are the facts

Australia No 1 football nation in Asia. Ranked No 20 in the world, higher than say France who's below us.

Asia is the number one growing market for FIFA.

Australia is in the right time zone for the world cup where as Qatar is in the same time zone as Europe. Asia has the largest TV audience for the world cup.

Japan/Korea already hosted world cup in 2002=>FIFA pretty much banned joint bids after their performance. Qatar has no football history, no world cup qualifications ever, security etc is also an issue and whether fans would go there, hasn't hosted any major events such as world cups or olympics, also steals africans every year to pretend they have a squad but still fails, no world class players nothing. USA also hosted the world cup only in 1994.

Australia has hosted 2 olympics, commonwealth games, 2 fifa youth cups etc etc etc list goes on and on anyway Australia has most of the stadiums structures etc all in place. Australia has achieved consecutive world cup qualifications. No other country has achieved more in world football in such a short space of time in recent memory than Australia. New Zealand have also qualified for the world cup this time another positive for the bid. It would also be a massive boost for football in Oceania for the world cup to be in Australia.

The stadiums etc built for the event will be used in Australia and it will provide jobs galore for the nation plus drive Tourism and foreign investment into Australia. Australia is also the only continent to not host a football world cup. FACT is Australia deserves the football world cup in 2022 but it's all going to come down to the bid committee. No doubt if they choose Australia, sponsors will come in droves and Australia will be one of the most successful world cups ever.

 

[nobbyiscool]

desert?? what? I didn't know people won world cup bids on food.

de·sert


–noun

1. Often, deserts. reward or punishment that is deserved: to get one's just deserts.

2. the state or fact of deserving reward or punishment.

3. the fact of deserving well; merit; virtue.





pinhead


i'm not saying i don't want it to happen. i'd love it to.

but history of hosting major events is not considered a major criteria when awarding world cups. the criteria are, as i've stated, who deserves it (in a historical sense), who will develop the game, and who will make fifa the most money.

australia is unfortunately not the answer to any of those questions.


forget trying to get timezones to keep asia happy. fifa will continue to take advantage of asia - they'll go nuts for the world cup anyway. the timezone issue puts the ball more in qatar's court because of its relative proximity to europe.

the fact that the usa will have hosted a world cup 28 years prior is irrelevant.

your last paragraph is even more irrelevant. i guarantee you that fifa do not give an ounce of shit about how many jobs, tourists, or foreign investors that a world cup will provide to the host nation. (you probably aren't even aware that an australian company presided over the wembley redevelopment debacle. or how many lives were put at risk through unsafe work practices in constructing the sydney olympic precinct.)

and suggesting that australia being the most deserving is a FACT is beyond ridiculous. that is an opinion. and it is not an opinion that fifa is going to agree with. qualification for 2 world cups in a row is nothing in the world stage. having had our game in order for 7 years is nothing. more than that - football sits a long way behind afl and rugby league in australia. the initial resistance to the world cup here will have been noticed by fifa.

you could make the argument that football was/is a minority sport in the usa, and that is why the world cup went there in 1994. the difference is that 300 million people live there, and it's the richest country in the world.

in terms of football, australia is a pimple on the arse of the world - it is insignificant. we can't point to the USA or south africa (who are the only country capable of hosting a world cup in a continent well overdue) as precedents for why we should get a world cup, because we only have 20 million people here.


i'd love a world cup here. shit, i'd quit my job and spend a month travelling the country to watch football if we won.

but it won't be in 2022. you should learn something about football politics before commenting on FACTs.

reality and idealism are very different things. especially when it comes to the biggest sporting event in the world.


it's a long road for us to host a world cup in this country.

the way for australia to get a world cup? develop the game. not in australia, but in oceania. when the AFC tell us that the A league has to be an australian league, tell them to piss off.

step 1 - a better tv deal to get better funding.

step 2 - put that money into the clubs so running a football team here is financially viable.

step 3 - creation of a 'B-league' or a second division.

step 4- the ffa to own and fund teams from oceania to play in this country.

the way to hosting a world cup in this country is to put our money, our resources, and our time into our region. oceania - nz, fiji, vanuatu etc. since the nsl days, i've been of the opinion that when the game here has some money (which it now does) we should be funding teams in our region to improve the game there. then we can make a claim that we truly deserve a world cup (as opposed to noobs saying that we deserve a world cup because we qualified twice in a row and because we can host the olympics)

the only way that i believe we will host a world cup is to do it on behalf of oceania. asia doesn't care about us - we have to go over asia's head and make fifa care about us.

 

[Michael2010]

de·sert


–noun

1. Often, deserts. reward or punishment that is deserved: to get one's just deserts.

2. the state or fact of deserving reward or punishment.

3. the fact of deserving well; merit; virtue.





pinhead


i'm not saying i don't want it to happen. i'd love it to.

but history of hosting major events is not considered a major criteria when awarding world cups. the criteria are, as i've stated, who deserves it (in a historical sense), who will develop the game, and who will make fifa the most money.

australia is unfortunately not the answer to any of those questions.

Your entitled to your opinion. However I think Australia will get this world cup because they have developed the game here i.e the bold section of your answer. I mean we're talking about having your sexuality questioned for playing the game back in the 70's and 80's to having bottles pelted at our Socceroos to now where we are discussing world cup qualifications and disappointments at not making the next round.

Similarly New Zealand have qualified and essentially it's a massive chance for FIFA to take on rugby in New Zealand. I don't think AFL has anything to worry about but rugby in New Zealand does because it's an overrated game which can't be played by most people. Here are opportunities for FIFA to cement football into 2 countries that maybe even just over a decade ago they would not have had even half a shot of achieving such a feat.

To me the money spinning ability is only part of a world cup because sooner or later then FIFA will run out of host nations. Football will have their big money spinner in 2018 probably in Europe but possibly in the USA. I just cannot see Europe getting one world cup and the USA getting 2022. It just goes against the principles of FIFA and what they would want to achieve, they already make more than enough money. FIFA is a not for profit organisation and frankly I think Australia would be a bonanza for sponsors anyway. Olympics here certainly didn't lack sponsors and most of the money comes from the TV audience, which is going to be centered in the exact market required which is Asia. I can't see any reason why Australia can't hold this world cup infact FIFA were thinking about Australia as a replacement WC venue for South Africa so imo Australia has the infrastructure, FIFA knows that they'll get everything ready on time, they know its a safe country, they know it's a multicultural country and they know Australia is now becoming a footballing super power so what better time to give the world cup to a country such as Australia than now.

It shouldn't matter about idiots in nations, at the end of the day if countries such as the USA listened to their idiots then they wouldn't have had the most attended world cup in history nor the MLS etc etc and in my opinion the USA still haven't produced the quality of players that Australia produces and the USA really has no chance of ever not calling the sport "soccer". So what's the gain for FIFA other than money and I think FIFA are not about the money, after their refereeing howlers and mistakes i.e jabulani etc etc in South Africa they want to create some positive spin/romance for the game and giving one world cup to Europe and the other to the USA simply wouldn't do that. Giving it to Australia would and Australia's never hosted it before, it'd be a massive massive boost for the economy and I think FIFA do care about making the world a better place at the end of the day.

 

[krudmonk]

in my opinion the USA still haven't produced the quality of players that Australia produces

Um, who? Pretty hard to gauge head-to-head and neither resume shines too brightly.

and the USA really has no chance of ever not calling the sport "soccer".

The fact that you care so much about calling it "football" shows that you treat the game as a fashion accessory that proves how elite and cultured you are. Focus on things that actually matter.

So what's the gain for FIFA other than money and I think FIFA are not about the money, after their refereeing howlers and mistakes i.e jabulani etc etc in South Africa they want to create some positive spin/romance for the game and giving one world cup to Europe and the other to the USA simply wouldn't do that.

So you relish the idea of FIFA treating Australia as some kind of kitsch, stereotypical monoculture as opposed to the USA, which cannot be pegged with one all-encompassing icon like the jabulani?