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assuming the test team is Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Martyn, Waugh, Lehmann, Gilchrist, Lee, Gillespie, MacGill, McGrath.

How would you rank the contendors for the Australian team, in your own opinion;


Opening Batsmen
1. Michael Slater (Although in the selectors eyes, i'm sure he's done his dash, but for mine is still the safest option if Hayden or Langer needed replacement)
2. Jason Arnberger (Has always been a good player, but just needed a big year like last to assert himself up the top of the Australian rankings)
3. Matt Elliott (Similar to Slater, in that i'm sure the selectors would probably never pick him, but for mine is a very safe option)
4. Michael Hussey (had a terrible year last year, but had a highly succesful county season, and just for his pure longevity deserves to be up there in the rankings, but can't afford another season like last, or he could slip from the selectors minds)
5. Clinton Perren (Been around for a while and never done anything special, but moved into the opening spot last year and was very good. At 28 he still has some time to play at this level)
6. David Fitzgerald (Had a great year last year, and has been good since beginning to make his mark a few year back. Not technically great and quite defensive, but the best available after the top 4).
Emerging Players: Nick Kruger (Qld), Ed Cowan (NSW)

Middle Order Batsmen
1. Martin Love (the selectors confirmed his position as the number 1 contendor last season, and although he didn't cover himself in glory, he showed that he is more than capable of playing test cricket)
2. Michael Clarke (the lovechild of the ACB is an absolute gun, and could rival just about any bastmen in history bar Bradman when he is given his chance. Still a fraction too raw to be put into the test arena just yet).
3. Simon Katich (despite a lean year last year, he is still a very good batsmen, and has now settled in NSW, and could very well be in for a big year like had done previous to last season)
4. Greg Blewett (despite age, he is still getting stacks and stacks and stacks of runs in the SS, and could get a miracle recall if a few injuries find their way into the squad and some experience is required)
5. Andrew Symonds (Has been a member of the ODI team for a number of seasons, and has always produced some good scores at SS level, but has been considered not have the technique nor temperemant for test level. I still think there's a few in front of him, but I dare say the selectors have more in front of him than I have).
6. Michael Bevan (I'm sure he's done his dash t test level, but continues to impress at ODI and SS level, so I wouldn't ever rule out the possibility of him getting a recall)
7. Shane Watson (More of an allrounder and that certainly helps him in these ranking, but I think he's more a batting/5th bowler prospect. Very talented, but still yet to show the world of his potential)
8. Brad Hodge (Had a poor year last year and probably slipped down 3-4 places on the rankings, but is still in the mix, and a good start to the season will see him move very quickly up the placings)
9. Lee Carseldine (Racked up plenty of runs last year, and the fact he can bowl a bit and is an excellent fielder really helps him. He put himself on the map last year, and with some good early performance this year, will move right up into peoples thinking)
10. Mark Higgs (Average over 50 with the bat last year, but still hasn't quite convinced me. His ability to bowl helps him but and he is up in my thoughts, but has a long way to go before he can think about playing test cricket)
Emerging Players: Mark Cosgrove (SA), Shaun Marsh (WA), Michael Bright (NSW), Luke Davies (WA), Marcus North (WA),

Keepers
1. Brad Haddin (been the number 1 contendor for a few years now, and nothing has changed. Probably needs to improve his keeping more before he can see himself in the test team.)
2. Darren Berry (Had a top season last year and it seemed as if he was falling into relative obscurity, but now I think he is not to far from taking Haddins mantle).
3. Sean Clingeleffer (year before last he made a great dash at stealing Haddin's spot, but didn't have near as good a year last year, but is still around in the thinking of the selectors I'd think).
4. Ryan Campbell (high up on the selectors minds for the ODIs but in Test terms, I think he is still a big of a way back from the above three, but a good season will change that)
Emerging Players: Adam Crosthwaite (Vic), James Allsopp (NSW)

Spinners
1. Brad Hogg (I'm not his biggest fan, and although for a breif period it seemed as if he may be reseructing his international career, but his last few international matches have been oridnary. Still the safest choice to backup MacGill)
2. Cameron White (if he could turn the ball more he'd be a gun already)
3. Beau Casson (he does turn the ball, and at 21 years of age has a huge future. Concedes to many runs but that is common of left arm leggies)
4. Nathan Hauritz (more suited to one dayers, but could play a good retaining role in the tests)
Emerging Players: Xavier Doherty (Tas)

Quicks
1. Brad Williams (been around for a while and has some experience, and has proven himself reasonably well in ODIs)
2. Ashley Noffke (has time on his side, but is developing into a very good quick bowler)
3. Nathan Bracken (good left arm option, who is quite attacking, but bowls too many full tosses atm)
4. Michael Kasprowicz (although getting on in age, and despite not having a contract, I'd say he's still in the selectors mind very much so)
5. Matt Inness (Don't know how the selectors see it, but despite his different action he's been picing up lots of wickets in the SS for over 5 seasons now - that can't be ignored for ever)
6. Paul Rofe (Still only 22 and has been reasonably succesful at SS level, and I'd like to think he's not too far from getting at least a geurnsey in the test squad)
7. Michael Clark (Really burst onto the scene last year and gave the SS comp a big shake up, but needs to ensure there's no dose of second year blues)
8. Don Nash (big fella has been on the scene for a while but is still only 25. Had a fantastic season taking 26 @ 16, so if he follows that up may go up the rankings even more)
Emerging Players: Shaun Tait (SA), Michael Cleary (SA), Scott Brant (Qld), Damien McKenzie (Qld), Aaron Bird (NSW)
 
Would be interesting to see who gets a call up if Hayden or Langer went down. No obvious replacement there.

The potentials look good but that's all they are really. Potential players with not much proven in first class cricket yet.

Be interesting to see what the Aust team will look like in five years time.
 
Originally posted by llosis
Would be interesting to see who gets a call up if Hayden or Langer went down. No obvious replacement there.

Depending upon how long they were out I reckon they would just go with Lehmann or Martyn and slot Love or Clarke in at #6. If they lost one for good they would probably throw someone in the deep end, Watson maybe, there would be no point bringing in Blewett, Elliott, Slater et al.
 
Luke Ronchi from WA is a great future prospect as a Keeper/Batsman, has only been given a few chances for the Warriors but has a couple of 50s and made 90 on debut.

And you could probably add Jimmy Maher to the list of opening batsman.
 

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Originally posted by acg_204*
Luke Ronchi from WA is a great future prospect as a Keeper/Batsman, has only been given a few chances for the Warriors but has a couple of 50s and made 90 on debut.

I think they were more arse than class. I'm told his grade average is in the low teens.
 
Openers
Greg Blewett or Jason Arnberger

Middle Order
Brad Hodge, Martin Love, Simon Katich and Michael Clarke. After these no-one else has got a chance.

Keepers
Brad Haddin
Still believe that Darren Berry is the best gloveman in the country by the length of the Flemington straight (yes that includes Gilchrist), but the selectors will never pick him.

Spinners
Interesting because it depends on what they want.
Hauritz and Hogg lead the way. White is still very young and the selectors will be careful because they view him as the next long-term prospect for the position.

Quicks
Williams, Noffke. Kasprowicz is back from an excellent county season and I'd like to see more of Matthew Innes.
 
Originally posted by Slax
Openers
Greg Blewett or Jason Arnberger
Blewett = international hack


Middle Order
Brad Hodge, Martin Love, Simon Katich and Michael Clarke. After these no-one else has got a chance.
Add Hodge to the nope hopers list. Hodge = no hoper

Keepers
Brad Haddin
Still believe that Darren Berry is the best gloveman in the country by the length of the Flemington straight (yes that includes Gilchrist), but the selectors will never pick him.
Absolutely not. There are other around who can keep and bat better than him
 
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Openers - I'd say Love would be backup opener, if Hayden/Langer were to miss an entire tour, then Maher would be the obvious replacement providing his form stays good and Blewett's isn't exceptional. Kruger will probably be ready to take the opener's spot when Hayden or Langer retire, other spot between Love, Perren, Arnberger.

Middle order - plenty of depth. I would've had Carseldine in the world cup squad ahead of Harvey, whether he can play consistently enough for a Test berth i don't know. Selectors seem keen on Marcus North.

Test keepers - Clingeleffer would be my pick to take over the test gloves if Gilchrist was injured at the moment although you have to weigh this up with the batting of Haddin and Campbell. I feel Berry is too old to be considered for test selection anymore. Crosthwaite and Ronchi are impressive youngsters but their opportunities rely on the failure of Berry and Campbell - Ronchi will struggle to make an impact b4 gilly retires and i feel berry will have to be pushed out for Crosthwaite

Spinners - Don't like Hauritz, never seen Casson but i like him as a back up spinner. However i think a wrist spinner is a lot more dangerous than a finger spinner so Warne, MacGill, Hogg and White must come first. White's batting may help push him up this list.

Quicks - no quicks have really performed consistently in recent years. This is a bit of a worry. I like Bollinger and Brant to support Lee and Gillespie - McGrath can't have too much longer to go.
 
Originally posted by swans_supporter
I think its Gerard Denton, he will be a star this year opening for the tiges
He's been around the scene for ages. I don't think Denton will make it now, injuries have ruined him.
 
Originally posted by Slax
Still believe that Darren Berry is the best gloveman in the country by the length of the Flemington straight (yes that includes Gilchrist), but the selectors will never pick him.
Length of the Flemington straight? What rot.

Wade Seccombe is in at least the same class as Berry as a wicket-keeper and arguably better.
 
oversight from myself on Jimmy Maher and he'd slot into the number 1 spot as an opener, but i agree that if one went down for a short period they make do with a makeshift opener such as Lehmann or Love, or perhaps Martyn or Gilchrist, and bring in Love (if not opening) or Clarke into the middle order.

But if one went down permenantly it would probably be safer to go with Maher.
 
Keep an eye on a West Aussie kid called Adam Voges when to the Acadamy a spinner came back and averaged a heap at club level has been playing for WA, still on 21 or so will be devestating if he can keep up his better than average spin and excellent middle order batting.
 

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Nice effort but I can't understand how Bracken can be ranked ahead of Inness (can someone tell the selectors this too please?)

He's nowhere near Kasper either but Kasper's too old I guess.
 
Originally posted by Black Thunder
7. Michael Clark (Really burst onto the scene last year and gave the SS comp a big shake up, but needs to ensure there's no dose of second year blues)
This season will be Clark's third shield season.
 
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Originally posted by Russian
Spinners - Don't like Hauritz, never seen Casson but i like him as a back up spinner. However i think a wrist spinner is a lot more dangerous than a finger spinner so Warne, MacGill, Hogg and White must come first. White's batting may help push him up this list.
Just to clarify - Casson is a wrist spinner.
 
Originally posted by Slax
[Keepers
Brad Haddin
Still believe that Darren Berry is the best gloveman in the country by the length of the Flemington straight (yes that includes Gilchrist), but the selectors will never pick him.
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yeah drop Gilly for Darren Berry I reckon :rolleyes:
 
Both Berry and Haddin are better glovemen than Gilly but the way cricket is now days having someone who is only marginally worse as a gloveman but light years ahead with a bat in his hand is clearly the preferred option. I cant see Haddin and Berry scoring the way Gilly does and for the fact these 2 might save an extra couple of byes etc. does not outweigh the fact Gilly is currently one of the worlds best if not the best batsmen in his position.
 

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Originally posted by DaveW
This season will be Clark's third shield season.

techincally yes, but he only played one or two games the year before, so essentially this is second season as a permenant member of the team.
 
Originally posted by fearlessone77
Gilly is currently one of the worlds best if not the best batsmen in his position.

Care to share with me the players who bat at No. 7 that are near as good as Gilly? Gilly actually is one of the best batsmen in the world, regardless of position. In his position, he is clearly the best in the world.
 
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Originally posted by Black Thunder
techincally yes, but he only played one or two games the year before, so essentially this is second season as a permenant member of the team.

Michael Clarke has played 33 first class games. So, that would mean that he played 30 games last season. I think not. He made his debut in 1999/2000, has played approx. 3-5 first class games for Aus A, and the rest are Pura Cup games, has no County Cricket or anything. So, this will actually be his 5th season of first class cricket.
 
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Originally posted by Cupido13
Michael Clarke has played 33 first class games. So, that would mean that he played 30 games last season. I think not. He made his debut in 1999/2000, has played approx. 3-5 first class games for Aus A, and the rest are Pura Cup games, has no County Cricket or anything. So, this will actually be his 5th season of first class cricket.

wrong Michael Clark :p

there wonderkid ACB lovechild Michael Clark from NSW, and there's WA quickie Michael Clark.
 
As far as keepers go, Darren Berry is easily the best keeper in world cricket, and has been for the last decade. He is a better gloveman that Healy was, and better still than Gilchrist. However, both those players are better than Berry because they could/can bat.

If the keeper was picked purely on their work with the gloves, Berry would be in the test team. Haddin and Seccombe are class gloveman, but Berry is on another level altogether.
 

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