Barking up the wrong tree

[zacaxel1975]

How much coin is Richmond paying Walla$e to secure the spoon. Richmond re-defining the meaning of the supercoach.

I reckon you could have learnt a lesson from Hawthorn in coaching appointments - now there is a professional club and about as far removed from Richmond as it is possible to be. Little wonder Richmond supporters are so envious.

LMAO. Pagan had 5 years at Carlton and was contracted for year 6 (he will still get the coin).
And you want to give us advise on coaching appointments

 

[tugga]

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Who does this guy barrack for?
Quite a good post and shows a level of intellect that is sadly lacking on this board at times.

 

[Simche]

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Couldn't agree more, people are expecting 8 players or more to go from the list every year and us to be competing for the finals at the same time. The nature of footy has changed where we used to be able to go to the bush and sign the best 8 kids like we could in the 70s. These days 8 players is pushing the absolute maximum of what you can turn over in a list and even then you can't guarentee the blokes replacing them are going to be any better. Whilst I have serious concerns about various aspects of the club, notably the lack of forward line structure (well to be honest this has been a concern of mine since about 99) there is a definate need to at the very least let Wallace see out the conclusion of his contract. I am of the firm belief that whilst he will never coach us to a premiership the foundations he is setting through the likes of Edwards, Riewoldt, Conors and co. will become the A grade 23-27 year olds we currently have none of that will eventually lead us back to the top of the table.

Personally the only reason I'm willing to tolerate the now is because I see this long term gain. The attitudes of some on this board are slightly ridiculous in claiming that the rebuilding process was begune too late, you can't draft 12 kids in the one draft and if you do 8 or more will most probably be exceedingly average. Wanting to bring Sheedy will make little difference in a coaching sense as well due to the basic FACT that we don't have the cattle and won't have the cattle to compete with the top 4 sides for another 3 years. There's no point paying Wallace's contract out and bringing in another guy that's going to cost us more money, that's just unsound financial management especially as everyone at the club realises we're not going anywhere for the next 2 years minimum and are thus not served by sacking him.

The only real criticism that the club has not had the foresight to invest heavily in the recruiting department and football department two things that have hindered us going forward in the past but apparently are being worked on. While I am yet to be convinced by a number of picks before the previous draft once again the fault for this lies not at the feet of the coaching staff, they can only work with what they're given.

 

[Heisenberg_]

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Who does this guy barrack for?
Quite a good post and shows a level of intellect that is sadly lacking on this board at times.

Collingwood

 

[jezza]

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The only real criticism that the club has not had the foresight to invest heavily in the recruiting department and football department two things that have hindered us going forward in the past but apparently are being worked on. While I am yet to be convinced by a number of picks before the previous draft once again the fault for this lies not at the feet of the coaching staff, they can only work with what they're given.

It's not so much a lack of foresight, more a lack of money.

 

[PHX]

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Collingwood

I guess I better stop saying they're all ferals then.

to FuManchu

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I sometimes wonder if supporters from other clubs who want Wallace sacked only want to see it because then they can continue to laugh at the rabble that is Richmond.

I seriously cant see the point in sacking him, yeah we won 1 game this year, pathetic yes but come on he did what we wanted when he first came here and cleaned out the garbage on our list, by simply doing that he deserves 5 years.

 

[W. Smithers]

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It looks as though we finally got the recruiting right last year. The first two years of Terry, well fingers crossed we get say five or six 150 gamers out of the picks.

2006 draft could reap 4-5 decent players.

 

[smasha]

I sometimes wonder if supporters from other clubs who want Wallace sacked only want to see it because then they can continue to laugh at the rabble that is Richmond.

I seriously cant see the point in sacking him, yeah we won 1 game this year, pathetic yes but come on he did what we wanted when he first came here and cleaned out the garbage on our list, by simply doing that he deserves 5 years.

I can just see if we got Sheeds as coach and he fails all the bloody opposition supporters coming out and telling us we should've kept Wallace.

LOL-these supporters don't give a stuff about Richmond yet they try to tell us what to do at Punt Road.

Piss Off.

 

[Jisha]

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That guy is absolutely spot on, Its just a shame it takes a Dimmeys fan to say it

 

[Big Punt]

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It's not so much a lack of foresight, more a lack of money.

Lack of foresight or not, in hindsight they penny-pinched in the wrong area.

 

[IDGAF]

99% of the people on this board were hyperventilating about Miller a couple of years ago, so much so that they voted him onto the board, so much so that they voted for casey because otherwise Miller would leave, so much so that they handed the keys to the club over to Greg Miller.

... this is my point , and i admit i was one of them

 

[duckboy]

Even if Miller was the best talent spotter in the land, he couldn't be expected to have league-best strike rate (on successful draft picks) competing against recruiting teams of up to 8-10 people at other clubs. He and March have admitted they under-funded and under-equipped that side of the club, and have begun to remedy that (Francis Jackson). Its another result of the downward spiral of a club who isn't winning and therefore isn't making money and therefore can't match bigger clubs off-field spending. This is one of the reasons some people are calling for salary caps on football departments.

 

[Stripes666]

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Taken from the main board from an opposition supporter and once again shows how short sited and plain stupid Terry Tan and co are being

if you had half of a brain in your head it would be evident to you that our club is not improving and our young kids (with the exception of the 2006 draft) are rubbish. The coach has to be accountable. Unfortunately the money situation dictates or Wallace would be gawn

 

[Mr.X]

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Had Wallace was appointed for 3 years rather than 5 he would have been sacked this season

 

[Darth_Tiger]

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good thread. well said FuManchu. those of us with a brain in our head can see that this is the way it is.

 

[Weaver]

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Lack of foresight or not, in hindsight they penny-pinched in the wrong area.

They penny pinched everywhere. Remember the club lost $2m in one season - and that was on the top of existing debts.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

... this is my point , and i admit i was one of them

ID, I think most people supported Greg Miller not because they knew everything about how he operated, but because he represented stability immediately after a major shift in direction of the club.

And I'm certainly not convinced that Miller is on the wrong track.

 

[1980]

ID, I think most people supported Greg Miller not because they knew everything about how he operated, but because he represented stability immediately after a major shift in direction of the club.


And I'm certainly not convinced that Miller is on the wrong track.

Certainly a lot of people supported him because they wanted stability and were sick of the board turning on itself.

He used that to his own advantage. He ran around the club acting like a messiah, his motive was to be the next Graeme Richmond, and he wanted to be running the club.

You for one were arguing for him at the time he was elected, and fair enough. But like I said then, Greg Miller works for Greg Miller. I dont like Gary March, I consider him a failed businessman, but I do respect that he loves the club. He will always put the club above himself. Greg Miller was always going to put himself above everything. Which would be OK if the club did well. But he just never was that guy, and a lot of people bought into his bull sht that he was going to make us great again.

Surely you're convinced by now that he has not been the grandmaster of recruitment that he actively promoted himself as? Is your emnity to Sheedy so great? I for one despise both of them equally.

 

[I Rock]

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The thing about the recruting is though that it is our latter picks and rookies we are getting the best value out off. Earlier picks should be the easiest to get right as all clubs will be looking at them.

It's only the late smokies and rookies that a good recruitment budget would help a bundle with. The clubs major flaw is player development.

 

[Heisenberg_]

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if you had half of a brain in your head it would be evident to you that our club is not improving and our young kids (with the exception of the 2006 draft) are rubbish. The coach has to be accountable. Unfortunately the money situation dictates or Wallace would be gawn

sorry but you are not in any position to question somebodies intelligence.
You are the dumbest poster bar none.
You are an embarrassment to Richmond supporters on the main boards

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Certainly a lot of people supported him because they wanted stability and were sick of the board turning on itself.

He used that to his own advantage. He ran around the club acting like a messiah, his motive was to be the next Graeme Richmond, and he wanted to be running the club.

You for one were arguing for him at the time he was elected, and fair enough. But like I said then, Greg Miller works for Greg Miller. I dont like Gary March, I consider him a failed businessman, but I do respect that he loves the club. He will always put the club above himself. Greg Miller was always going to put himself above everything. Which would be OK if the club did well. But he just never was that guy, and a lot of people bought into his bull sht that he was going to make us great again.

Surely you're convinced by now that he has not been the grandmaster of recruitment that he actively promoted himself as? Is your emnity to Sheedy so great? I for one despise both of them equally.

I'd met Miller a few times when he was at North, 1980, but to be honest I didn't know a great deal about his methodology other than what everyone else here seemed to know. As such, I can't say that I was a major advocate for his work or of him getting the job, other than exactly what I posted above - I was enthusiastic for a major shift in direction after 'The Frawley Years'. It sounds a bit Orwellian, but I was a great advocate of "change to stability".

I know from memory that I was very critical at the time of Miller getting Kane Johnson - strangely Kane's actually worked out a lot better than I initially believed and predicted. But other than the general excitement associated with bringing in someone with a good reputation who seemed willing to make a lot of the hard decisions that many of us here knew had to be made about the club, I was never a great proponent of Miller himself. That said, if it was indeed he who facilitated the recruitment of Brown, Simmo and Polak, then he's done a wonderful job. I will remain critical of that Kane Johnson decision - I was a big fan of us hanging onto that No.4 pick as I was convinced at the time that it was going to become a No. 2 pick, and I wanted Daniel Wells.

 

[Stripes666]

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sorry but you are not in any position to question somebodies intelligence.
You are the dumbest poster bar none.
You are an embarrassment to Richmond supporters on the main boards

rightio ********. You think I am an embarrasment while you sit back and accpet this. Accepting mediocrity is commonly used phrase on big footy but accpeting Wallace's 3 years would be like opening a beer only to find that it has been filled with liquid shit and thinking its fine, no need to get it exchanged, you'll just cop the awful taste. 1.5 wins in a season is overly pathetic and no amoutn of excuses can hide this. It is pathetic, half-hearted supporters like you that embarrass Richmond supporters. I'd like to see how Collingwood/ WCE/ Adelaide/ any other well run club would take such shitness. Hell Carltonwouldn't even put up wih it.

 

[IDGAF]

That said, if it was indeed he who facilitated the recruitment of Brown, Simmo and Polak, then he's done a wonderful job.

There is absolutely no doubt that in the business of wheeling and dealing Miller is right up there . I will be the first to admit that he is to be commended Throw in Johnson and they are "on face value" ...4 great deals ... kudos .

But what is more important for the long term future and success of our club ?... Landing a big fish from another club every year or two , or the ability to spot the best young talent available and draft accordingly ?

So far the recruitment of those 4 has meant Jack schit on the score board .. harsh i know and bad luck i believe has had a fair bit to do with it . But Terry`s cornerstone when he landed at punt rd. was that he believed in growing your own stars . Is there a contradiction there ?

Fact is , out of our last 4-5 drafts , there is precious little that is standing up and screaming to me ... a fleet of bantam weights that all weigh barely 75kg`s wringing wet ... Meyer and JON being the standouts who both look as though they would struggle to get a kick in a street fight at the minute . Patto is going "OK" , but for such a high draft pick he is looking more like a wet track plodder than a thouroughbred . I am not that harsh on the drafting of Tambling because the fact is everyong rated him in the top 5 ... but is he the type of player we really need at the minute .

Our kingdom for a bloke who can win his own ball at the minute .

The whole point of this thread is ... is Terry Wallace not the coach we hoped he would be ? ..... or is it time for those responsible for (what it is appearing to be at the minute) blowing the raft of high draft picks we have had in the last 5 years to be made accountable ?

I am yet to be convinced that Terry can`t coach , we have at times this year showed some great signs . with the exception of the last month or so when the wind has clearly gone put of our sails . What is clear to me is we just don`t have the cattle , and have made some ordinary choices at the draft table . Danny Meyer is the "piece de resistance`" IMHO ....

Who`s fault is it ? ... some accountability thanks instead of the "Sack Terry" carp

 

[SolidTiger]

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rightio ********. You think I am an embarrasment while you sit back and accpet this. Accepting mediocrity is commonly used phrase on big footy but accpeting Wallace's 3 years would be like opening a beer only to find that it has been filled with liquid shit and thinking its fine, no need to get it exchanged, you'll just cop the awful taste. 1.5 wins in a season is overly pathetic and no amoutn of excuses can hide this. It is pathetic, half-hearted supporters like you that embarrass Richmond supporters. I'd like to see how Collingwood/ WCE/ Adelaide/ any other well run club would take such shitness. Hell Carltonwouldn't even put up wih it.

The reason why most supporters are putting up with the crap Richmond are dishing out is because we have tried everything over the years to improve but nothing has worked.

We changed the board before the 2000 season.
We tried to improve by sacking coaches when things aren't going our way in the early to late 90's.
We trying to stick by our coach even when things are not going our way now.
We tried to top up our list to get success under Frawley.
We tried to rebuild with youth under Wallace and many of the young players selected have question marks over thier heads.

It seems that no matter what we do, we can not get anywhere.

Let's face it. We're cursed.