Barry Hall - Should we?

[Salaryman]

Makes sense for the Dogs.

You just would have thought he may have been interested in winning a premiership though

yeah right, we are so close

Perhaps we might look to a three way deal, Hall to dogs, we move fisher or bentick to sydney to provide them with more opportunities........and the dogs move on a fringe player to us such as a Hill?

 

[Blueboys7]

Nothing Kiwi about me mate

Now now, I saw that sheep come out of your house, where all amoungst friends here mate

 

[chef]

Actually Hall said he had spoken to the Bulldogs and then sport tonight said he had selected them, which wasn't true. Get your facts right before you start trying to feed us this shit.

It's apparently a done deal. And Hall did say on Sportstonight that he "wanted to join the Dogs as they are a top four side and they need a key forward", his words.

Sorry to intrude on your board.

 

[Juddrockz]

Now now, I saw that sheep come out of your house, where all amoungst friends here mate

Shhhhhhh the bugger must've gotten off the lead

 

[Blueboys7]

Shhhhhhh the bugger must've gotten off the lead

Ahhhh I see, it's bondage you're into. It's all out in the open now

 

[Blueboys7]

It's apparently a done deal. And Hall did say on Sportstonight that he "wanted to join the Dogs as they are a top four side and they need a key forward", his words.

Sorry to intrude on your board.

Don't be sorry mate, all is good.

We have been told the same thing so I guess we will just have to wait and see. It does make for an interesting trade week for once but I'm afraid it will let us down like every year. I'm not fussed either way, I know Malifice is though!

 

[Juddrockz]

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Hilarious!!!

 

[Malifice]

Huge no from me.

My thoughts can be summed up by a few points.

1) Age: Hall will be 33 by the time he would pull on the Navy Blue for the first time in a match.

He was 32 this year and was moving just fine. Has also had half a year off a near perfect run with injuries (and no soft tissue injuries, knees, back etc).

2) Desire: Does he want it enough? Would he want to continue his AFL career? Or does he want to give it all away to pursue other interests (boxing)

In an interview last week he claimed to be dead keen on making a returrn and claimed it was his main priority.

And I believe him. The sort of money he would make boxing far outweighs any money he would make in the AFL (an exhibition match vs Hopoate alone would net him a few hundred grand).

He's had a few months off to go away and think about what he wants and to clear his head. And he's come back and said he wants to play footy again.

His motivation? To not be remebered as thug but as a great player. And to help a club snatch a flag.

3) Mental state and attitude: He's prone to some huge **** ups on the field. Not the greatest role model for our kids and giving him a chance could cost us dearly

A worry certainly.

4) We'd have to trade for him: Still a Sydney player, and with possible interest from a few other clubs, we'd probably have to trade for him if we want him. Sure, we could trade a token 8th round pick for him but that could easily be trumped if another club wants him and I certainly would not want us to be pulled into a bidding war.

Our third rounder would trump anything the Dogs could/ would offer. We could possibly also snare him with our fourth rounder.

In a weak draft, there isnt going to much on offer come pick 43, and there certainly isnt going to be anything worth snaring down at pick 59.

However, I would like to put a case forward for Russell Robertson who I would like us to recruit.

Pros

1) Age. Robbo is younger than Hall and would be able to give us a few more seasons of service than Barry would.

Has had recent potentially debilitating injury concerns. Plus his output has clearly diminished over the past two years (both unlike Hall).

2) No questions over attitude and desire. Robbo has categorically stated that he wants to play on for at least another season and he clearly still has the passion for the game that is necessary.

Hall was saying exactly the same thing only last week.

3) He's still an exceptionally talented footballer. I've got no doubt that if we put him in a forward pocket, Robbo could kick 35-40+ goals for a few years. He is a proven goalscorer and even this year, in 13 games he managed to kick 29 goals.

We have forward pockets up the wazoo with a choice of Betts, Yarran, Gartlett and arguably Walker.

Its key forward types (and particularly CHF) we lack.

4) He'd come extremely cheap. Robbo has been delisted so we'd pick him up in the PSD on a very small amount, unlike Hall who we'd have to pay for and pay big. He'd also come with a lot less pressure.

He's cheaper than Hall for some very good reason. He appeared much slower, far less penetration in his kicking, cant leap as high this year. These problmes will only get worse.

Even though Robb is 'free' through the PSD, I cant see a club that would take him.

Cons

1) Not as big a presence as Hall. Hall is a monster who would strike genuine fear into opposition defenses roaming the half forward line. Robbo is nowhere near as big so would not have that physical presence.

2) Would not take the opposition's 2nd best tall defender. Hall would, but Robbo isn't a suitable match-up for the 2nd tall defender. We'd love him to be as it would free Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock up but that won't happen with Robertson who would be matched up on a small/medium defender. This could be easily fixed though, trade Fisher for Maguire, who slots into the CHB position, sending Waite forward (who would no doubt command the 2nd best tall defender), freeing up the resting ruckman.

Exactly why we need Hall. Relieves pressure from Fevola (amongst other things) by drawing key defenders.

Also Frees up Hall (who is used to getting one or two of the oppositions best Key defenders each week).

We recruit Hall, Ratts has options with Waite (and Kruezer) to play them off the bench/ up forward or down back respectivly. Options he didnt really have the luxury of this year.

 

[Malifice]

Hall said on Sportstonight last week that he wanted to join the Bulldogs and Smorgon is unable to say anything until our season is over. .

It's apparently a done deal. And Hall did say on Sportstonight that he "wanted to join the Dogs as they are a top four side and they need a key forward", his words.

Absolute rubbish both of you. I watched the interview and he said nothing that even resembled this.

The interviewer asked if he has spoken to any clubs, he said: 'Yeah a few... but the phone hasnt exactly been ringing off the hook.' The interviewer asked him if the Bulldogs were one of the clubs he has spoken too and if he would play for them if a suitable deal could be struck.

He responded with: "Yes, he's had brief talks, the Dogs asked if I was serious about playing on next year and I told them yes I was keen, but there has been nothing further than that (and certainly no deals or even offers) as the Dogs are still in the finals and they wouldnt be looking at thier list untill after they are finished in September"

Also went on to say that he didnt care where he played next year, he would be an asset to whatever club picked him up.

Very much trying to shop himself around to whoever was watching... which there would be no need to do if a 'secret' deal had already been struck.

Lakes ready to sign, Akers happy to take a pay cut and Hall fits into the cap

Yeah sure.

 

[chef]

Absolute rubbish both of you. I watched the interview and he said nothing that even resembled this.

The interviewer asked if he has spoken to any clubs, he said: 'Yeah a few... but the phone hasnt exactly been ringing off the hook.' The interviewer asked him if the Bulldogs were one of the clubs he has spoken too and if he would play for them if a suitable deal could be struck.

He responded with: "Yes, he's had brief talks, the Dogs asked if I was serious about playing on next year and I told them yes I was keen, but there has been nothing further than that (and certainly no deals or even offers) as the Dogs are still in the finals and they wouldnt be looking at thier list untill after they are finished in September"

Also went on to say that he didnt care where he played next year, he would be an asset to whatever club picked him up.

Very much trying to shop himself around to whoever was watching... which there would be no need to do if a 'secret' deal had already been struck.



Yeah sure.

Believe what you want to believe mate, you will find out soon enough.

 

[brandy1023]

Absolute rubbish both of you. I watched the interview and he said nothing that even resembled this.

The interviewer asked if he has spoken to any clubs, he said: 'Yeah a few... but the phone hasnt exactly been ringing off the hook.' The interviewer asked him if the Bulldogs were one of the clubs he has spoken too and if he would play for them if a suitable deal could be struck.

He responded with: "Yes, he's had brief talks, the Dogs asked if I was serious about playing on next year and I told them yes I was keen, but there has been nothing further than that (and certainly no deals or even offers) as the Dogs are still in the finals and they wouldnt be looking at thier list untill after they are finished in September"

Also went on to say that he didnt care where he played next year, he would be an asset to whatever club picked him up.

Very much trying to shop himself around to whoever was watching... which there would be no need to do if a 'secret' deal had already been struck.



Yeah sure.

According to Hall he wants to 'play with the Bulldogs as they need a key forward and they are a top four side', that is what he said on Sports Tonight last week.

Lake has already agreed to a new deal, Aker has already agreed to take a pay cut to play on next year(if Rocket wants him) and Hall's contract fits inside the salary cap. Happy days.

 

[Malifice]

According to Hall he wants to 'play with the Bulldogs as they need a key forward and they are a top four side', that is what he said on Sports Tonight last week.

Lake has already agreed to a new deal, Aker has already agreed to take a pay cut to play on next year(if Rocket wants him) and Hall's contract fits inside the salary cap. Happy days.

I there an echo in here or something?

Rubbish. See my post above.

 

[Juddrockz]

I there an echo in here or something?

Rubbish. See my post above.

You still confident the Blues are in the mix for Hall,Malifice????

 

[brandy1023]

I there an echo in here or something?

Rubbish. See my post above.

You will see.

 

[Malifice]

You still confident the Blues are in the mix for Hall,Malifice????

Ive never suggested we (i.e. the Club) are looking at him.

Only that we (in my opinion) should.

Hence why this thread is titled... Should we?



The following are facts/ opinions/ rumors:

• He has spoken to the Bulldogs and 'a few other clubs' (Fact - source: Hall + Smorgon)
• These talks are very preliminary, just 'sounding him out if he is serious about playing on next year' (Fact - source: Hall)
• I have heard a few rumors BF style that he is in talks with Carlton (BF rumor so probably crap)
• He looked for all the world to be selling himself to prospective clubs just a week ago. (more my personal opinion than fact). Why do this if he had already signed?
• Ratten, when asked 3 months ago if Carlton were interested in Hall answered a short sharp 'No.' (Fact - source: Ratten)

Do I think he will end up at Carlton..?

No. I think he will more likely than not end up at the Dogs.

Unless of course we DO make a play for him. If we did make a play we could easily trump the Dogs with both a better draft selection for Sydney and more $$$ (and cap space) for the player.

If they were to offer a fourth rounder we could beat it with our fourth rounder. If we offered a third round pick they (the Dogs) could only beat it with a second round pick.

Plus we have more money and less salary cap pressure.

If we actually do pursue Hall, we'll have all seven paid up Footscray members trolling this thread unrelentingly.

 

[celtic_pride]

The only Issue I have with mal about Barry Hall is that he seems happy for us to recruit an player with anger managment/off field issues like Bazza Hall, but not someone like Daniel Kerr, who admittedly is probably even more 'psycho' and bit of an muppet off the field ???

Certainly I think Kerr would offer us more then Barry Hall (considering their respective ages etc)

 

[mickelboy182]

The only Issue I have with mal about Barry Hall is that he seems happy for us to recruit an player with anger managment/off field issues like Bazza Hall, but not someone like Daniel Kerr, who admittedly is probably even more 'psycho' and bit of an muppet off the field ???

Certainly I think Kerr would offer us more then Barry Hall (considering their respective ages etc)

Quite obvious I would have thought..... Kerr would cost us a lot more.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Fev and Barry are two of the biggest idiots in the game...and you want to put them both in a 50 meter arc??

 

[Blue Bawls]

Fev and Barry are two of the biggest idiots in the game...and you want to put them both in a 50 meter arc??

They'd cancel themselves out.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Fev and Barry are two of the biggest idiots in the game...and you want to put them both in a 50 meter arc??

If it brings us with a chance to win a premiership, i couldnt give a stuff really...

 

[Weiterbot23]

What if Fev jumps into Hall like he did sentanta?

What if Barry sprays a shot when fev is alone in the goal square??

What if Barry doesn't like the look of someone at training and Judd can't find his pressure points to slow him down???

Too many "what ifs" for mine.

Kreuzer or Waite are more than servicable temp second options while we develop Griffiths (which should only take about 1 season due to his amazing abilitly).

I would prefer us to get Robbo as he is three years younger, not a head case and would kick as many goals.

 

[chef]

Unless of course we DO make a play for him. If we did make a play we could easily trump the Dogs with both a better draft selection for Sydney and more $$$ (and cap space) for the player.

If they were to offer a fourth rounder we could beat it with our fourth rounder. If we offered a third round pick they (the Dogs) could only beat it with a second round pick.

Plus we have more money and less salary cap pressure.

If we actually do pursue Hall, we'll have all seven paid up Footscray members trolling this thread unrelentingly.

Do you think Sydney will give him the chance to choose where he wants to go? eg The Akermanis deal.

 

[brandy1023]

Ive never suggested we (i.e. the Club) are looking at him.

Only that we (in my opinion) should.

Hence why this thread is titled... Should we?



The following are facts/ opinions/ rumors:

• He has spoken to the Bulldogs and 'a few other clubs' (Fact - source: Hall + Smorgon)
• These talks are very preliminary, just 'sounding him out if he is serious about playing on next year' (Fact - source: Hall)
• I have heard a few rumors BF style that he is in talks with Carlton (BF rumor so probably crap)
• He looked for all the world to be selling himself to prospective clubs just a week ago. (more my personal opinion than fact). Why do this if he had already signed?
• Ratten, when asked 3 months ago if Carlton were interested in Hall answered a short sharp 'No.' (Fact - source: Ratten)

Do I think he will end up at Carlton..?

No. I think he will more likely than not end up at the Dogs.

Unless of course we DO make a play for him. If we did make a play we could easily trump the Dogs with both a better draft selection for Sydney and more $$$ (and cap space) for the player.

If they were to offer a fourth rounder we could beat it with our fourth rounder. If we offered a third round pick they (the Dogs) could only beat it with a second round pick.

Plus we have more money and less salary cap pressure.

If we actually do pursue Hall, we'll have all seven paid up Footscray members trolling this thread unrelentingly.

Do you feel better now?

Whats with your Barry Hall obsession?

 

[Malifice]

The only Issue I have with mal about Barry Hall is that he seems happy for us to recruit an player with anger managment/off field issues like Bazza Hall, but not someone like Daniel Kerr, who admittedly is probably even more 'psycho' and bit of an muppet off the field ???

Certainly I think Kerr would offer us more then Barry Hall (considering their respective ages etc)

Kerr is a nearly intolerable tool with a history of criminal convictions, underworld connections and assaulting teammates. Seriously... spend 5 minutes talking to the guy and you'll see what i mean. A knob of the highest order.

At least Hall only assaults the opposition players, and is otherwise a decent and respected bloke with leadership credentials. Just prone to 'white line fever.'

Plus we have a gamut of midfielders. KP forwards... well - we have just the one.

Oh and Kerr would cost over twice the price of Hall in terms of $$ and WAY more in terms of picks/ players to lure him east.

Way more.

 

[Malifice]

Do you think Sydney will give him the chance to choose where he wants to go? eg The Akermanis deal.

Unless Roos (and Hall) are lying... yes. Clearly yes.

Both have clearly come out and said they will strive to work out a deal that is best for Barry and also best for the Swans.

i.e. If (big IF) Carlton came to the table with a better offer (in terms of $$ and picks/ players in exchange) than any other club, he would come to Carlton.

Assuming Carlton makes a play for him AND he wants to come to Carlton.

Both of which by the way (money and draft picks) he have more of (or better of) than the Dogs.

Simple really.

I still think he will end up at Footscray FWIW.