Bazball 2024

[PhatBoy]

But England are 8th out of 9 in the WTC.

If it was a good concept or a concept performed well, they wouldn't be eighth.

Concept performed well would be the key phrase there

 

[brutus76]

Playing an aggressive natural game is fine.

It's the stupid shots, stupid reviews and stupid lack of tact where sometimes you need to pause and actually dig in and build an innings that makes Spazball stupid and narrow minded in execution.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[cricketnut14]

But England are 8th out of 9 in the WTC.

If it was a good concept or a concept performed well, they wouldn't be eighth.

i wouldn't write them off just yet - this WTC cycle they have played australia and india in 2 x 5 test series and lost championship points for slow over rates.

lets see how they go against west indies and sri lanka at home and then pakistan and new zealand away.

 

[Cleavy]

 

[Around the Wicket]

Playing an aggressive natural game is fine.

It's the stupid shots, stupid reviews and stupid lack of tact where sometimes you need to pause and actually dig in and build an innings that makes Spazball stupid and narrow minded in execution.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Its the lack of game awareness, a few times this series they were in a solid position 200 for not many and the middle order just threw there wickets away, Root more then once.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Now dead last in the World Test Championship.

 

[Gethelred]

Honestly, Bazball guarantees for them in non-Subcontinent conditions a score of upwards of 300 in the first/second innings, which is more than enough to defend. Even in the series they got roundly beaten, they achieved scores of +250 5 times and +300 three times; there's plenty of runs there. The problem is that they've not been able to defend it, allowing 3 scores of +400 and 6 scores of +300; it doesn't matter how many you get if your opposition just has more on tap when required, especially at the clip Jaswal was hitting them.

I like aggressive cricket, but the version they're playing with the ball is not working as well as it could. Need a bowling approach that complements the cattle the same way their batting is complemented by who's getting picked.

 

[swingdog]

Honestly, Bazball guarantees for them in non-Subcontinent conditions a score of upwards of 300 in the first/second innings, which is more than enough to defend. Even in the series they got roundly beaten, they achieved scores of +250 5 times and +300 three times; there's plenty of runs there. The problem is that they've not been able to defend it, allowing 3 scores of +400 and 6 scores of +300; it doesn't matter how many you get if your opposition just has more on tap when required, especially at the clip Jaswal was hitting them.

I like aggressive cricket, but the version they're playing with the ball is not working as well as it could. Need a bowling approach that complements the cattle the same way their batting is complemented by who's getting picked.

And part of the problem with that is they score so quickly that their bowlers don't get enough rest. Tough, especially when your main bowler is over 40. They're actually missing Broad.

 

[Borisdog]

Now dead last in the World Test Championship.

And if they win all their remaining matches they can conceivably finish above Australia. In fact they could probably even lose/draw one.

Which I don't care about. It's a contrived piece of rubbish that whole WTC poo.

 

[Teen Wolf]

And if they win all their remaining matches they can conceivably finish above Australia.

Might be the dumbest and most desperate hypothetical ever posted on this website.

 

[PhatBoy]

Honestly, Bazball guarantees for them in non-Subcontinent conditions a score of upwards of 300 in the first/second innings, which is more than enough to defend. Even in the series they got roundly beaten, they achieved scores of +250 5 times and +300 three times; there's plenty of runs there. The problem is that they've not been able to defend it, allowing 3 scores of +400 and 6 scores of +300; it doesn't matter how many you get if your opposition just has more on tap when required, especially at the clip Jaswal was hitting them.

I like aggressive cricket, but the version they're playing with the ball is not working as well as it could. Need a bowling approach that complements the cattle the same way their batting is complemented by who's getting picked.

This.

The bowling issue has been a problem for a long time before McCullum and Stokes and it continues to be, and the problem has actually gotten worse because Stokes hasn’t been able to contribute.

For such a long time he was a go-to. No he’s not Dale Steyn but there is so much Flintoff in peak Ben Stokes when he is fit with the ball that I don’t think people realise the impact it has when he’s not bowling. If the Broad-Anderson idea didn’t work, or the supporting cast, let stokes rip for 3-4 overs bowling as fast as he could. If the spinners weren’t working, let Stokes bust himself for 8-9 overs or more.

They don’t have that option at all.

So that’s a continuous problem that has never been addressed.

Additionally all these other absolutely vanilla bowlers that they’ve tried have just offered nothing and it almost feels like their bowling is in the same spot their batting was in during that two year period pre-Bazzball.