BC's "Not Good Enough" List.

[Bartram_Class]

Trade/Delist them all at seasons end. Pay them out, I don't care.

Daniel Bell
Clint Bartram
Mark Jamar
John Meesen
Jace Bode
Ben Holland
Isaac Weetra
Nathan Carroll
Jeff White
Adem Yze

10 free spots. (11 including Neitz)

Shane Valenti (Elevate)
Aussie Wonaeamirri (Elevate)
Jake Spencer (Elevate)
Robbie Warnock (Trade/PSD)
Pick 1
Pick 17
Pick 19
Pick 35
Pick 51
Pick 67
PSD Pick 1

Incoming Player from Trade (Lovett?)

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Get it done Bails.

 

[master bate]

Why wouldn't you leave Valenti (not in best 22 and most years you get a period where someone is long term injured) and Spencer (nowhere near AFL) on the rookie list and keep 2 of Jamar, Bartram and Bell. Fair enough to suggest trading them but they can all play to some extent and I'd want something for them, to throw them out is a stupid and emotional decision. I don't like the chances of finding two rookies better than those 3, your chance of finding 2 rookies who can play 50 games of AFL at all is very low (which makes Valenti and Wona this year very good drafting).

 

[Dez!]

Trade/Delist them all at seasons end. Pay them out, I don't care.

Daniel Bell
Clint Bartram
Mark Jamar
John Meesen
Jace Bode
Ben Holland
Isaac Weetra
Nathan Carroll
Jeff White
Adem Yze

10 free spots. (11 including Neitz)

Shane Valenti (Elevate)
Aussie Wonaeamirri (Elevate)
Jake Spencer (Elevate)
Robbie Warnock (Trade/PSD)
Pick 1
Pick 17
Pick 19
Pick 35
Pick 51
Pick 67
PSD Pick 1

Incoming Player from Trade (Lovett?)

---------------------------------

Get it done Bails.

So you want us left with just PJ, a rookie in Spencer and hope we land Warnock? Not a chance in hell.

Bartram is still only young, give him time.

Bell was actually not too bad today, just lacking confidence me thinks ever since that nasty hit against Collingwood last year.

 

[Bartram_Class]

Of course one of the draft spots would be spent on a ruckman, or you'd chuck another one on the rookie list. As Connolly has said, Stef Martin has also rucked a fair bit at VFL level.

Valenti and Aussie would demand permanent elevation I reckon, for dollars if nothing else, otherwise they have every right to ask for a trade so that they can earn a proper living elsewhere. They are too good to be running around as rookies hoping for someone to do a ACL (If Jace Bode can get himself elevated, then they can too).

Get rid of Bartram and Bell and get a couple more picks in the 20s and 30s, rather than having to use our 40s and 50s picks. We're building a premiership team here, and those two won't ever be able to cut it in a top side, sure they might help us get to 14th next year but that doesn't help anyone.

I won't listen to any arguments about Jamar. He can only go along getting 4/5 touches a game for so long. Even Sandilands (who is a 211 monster) can get himself 15 a game.

 

[deeswant13]

Bell was good today and will be good next year, write it down i guarentee it, why would you elevate spencer? Give Bartram time, he needs to be in the midfield, someone with speed.

 

[cannons]

Bell is a good player, I suggest we hang on to him. Bartram is also worth persisting with as a stopper too.

The Lovett suggestion is one I totally disagree with, why would we get an inconsistent mid-20s player when we are going through a rebuilding phase?

I'm assuming you're being a little over the top after such a pitiful performance, and I don't blame you, we were horrific today.

 

[melbournemartin]

Can't get rid of Bartram, although I have been turned off recently.

 

[Bartram_Class]

You lot can sit there all day saying keep him, keep her but at the end of the day, you can only have 40 and if we want the Watts and the Warnocks to come into the squad, you have to make some tough decisions.

 

[Dez!]

You lot can sit there all day saying keep him, keep her but at the end of the day, you can only have 40 and if we want the Watts and the Warnocks to come into the squad, you have to make some tough decisions.

White, Yze and Neitz gone, that gives us 3 spots as a starting block.

Watts and Warnock (if we get him) in and that leaves us with one spot on the list. Add in to this Weetra, Bode and Carroll (for starters) and that gives us another 4 spots. We will have plenty of room.

 

[Bartram_Class]

White, Yze and Neitz gone, that gives us 3 spots as a starting block.

Watts and Warnock (if we get him) in and that leaves us with one spot on the list. Add in to this Weetra, Bode and Carroll (for starters) and that gives us another 4 spots. We will have plenty of room.

Need to take into account the Valenti/Aussie factor, where will they fit in?

Also, Bode and Carroll are believed to be on two-year deals, so they one year left? What do we do there? Bode definitely does, as a rookie elevation is an instant two year deal, and he got his at the start of this year.

 

[whelan=legend]

Trade/Delist them all at seasons end. Pay them out, I don't care.

Daniel Bell
Clint Bartram
Mark Jamar
John Meesen
Jace Bode
Ben Holland
Isaac Weetra
Nathan Carroll
Jeff White
Adem Yze

10 free spots. (11 including Neitz)

Shane Valenti (Elevate)
Aussie Wonaeamirri (Elevate)
Jake Spencer (Elevate)
Robbie Warnock (Trade/PSD)
Pick 1
Pick 17
Pick 19
Pick 35
Pick 51
Pick 67
PSD Pick 1

Incoming Player from Trade (Lovett?)

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Get it done Bails.

I agree with all that except for Bartram and for Spencer.

I just hope like hell we get Warnock.

 

[RandB]

Of course one of the draft spots would be spent on a ruckman, or you'd chuck another one on the rookie list. As Connolly has said, Stef Martin has also rucked a fair bit at VFL level.

If they stuff Martin's defensive developement up with bouts of ruck work here or there for the next couple of years then I'll be peeved! If you read this Conolly article here from July, they are going to start locking down positions around the ground and build a team of youngsters around it. The whole mentality of "this player could play here or there or there" is part of the reason why we are in this mess. Lets not forget, we have one of the youngest teams allready and there are way too many players who do not fill a particular role. Our squad is too generic.

Valenti and Aussie would demand permanent elevation I reckon, for dollars if nothing else, otherwise they have every right to ask for a trade so that they can earn a proper living elsewhere. They are too good to be running around as rookies hoping for someone to do a ACL (If Jace Bode can get himself elevated, then they can too).

I agree with that but Wona needs a big pre-season to take the next step.

Get rid of Bartram and Bell and get a couple more picks in the 20s and 30s, rather than having to use our 40s and 50s picks. We're building a premiership team here, and those two won't ever be able to cut it in a top side, sure they might help us get to 14th next year but that doesn't help anyone.

So your banking on 20s and 30s for those two?

I won't listen to any arguments about Jamar. He can only go along getting 4/5 touches a game for so long. Even Sandilands (who is a 211 monster) can get himself 15 a game.

Nobody really cares if you can listen or not. Possies around the ground has never been Jamar's big point and nobody has ever said that it was. If we replace him with a better ruckman then great but he has still had a solid year in the ruck regardless. If we don't get Warnock then I think Jamar has to stay for insurance for at least another year. (Like it or not).

 

[Bartram_Class]

Those Connolly comments would be well and good if they actually followed up on them, how was Sylvia starting in the middle again today? Farcical.

Stick him I50 and leave him there. He's not good enough for a midfield spot at this stage, and probably never will be.

I agree on Wonaeamirri, needs to lose a lot of weight, build up his tank so that he can run out games and not drift in and out so much (which is common for a FP, but if he can work himself up the ground, he'll be able to keep getting his hands on it).

A fit PJ, Warnock and Spencer would be more than enough. As it stands, Meesen won't be delisted though, so I think White will be sent packing before the Trade Period, then we will hold on to see if we get Warnock and if we do, the Russian will be told to pack his bags too.

 

[RandB]

Those Connolly comments would be well and good if they actually followed up on them,

BC I think some times you need to look at the big picture instead of what happens on a daily basis. Connolly is talking about a bigger plan than just the last month of this season. Bailey and Conolly will sit down at the end of the season with Prendergast and renew our list and then next year they will start cementing places around the ground where possible. What happens for the remainder of this year is just bubblegum.

Personally I think they gave Valenti a spell more so because he has proven himself and has been relatively consistent - they've seen enough to know he is a keeper. Bell, who ordinarily would have been dropped I think has been given a longer go this year so the coaches have at least a real idea of where he is at. They are giving some players who are in the balance a chance of proving themselves before they make big decisions on our list.

 

[CaptainDavey]

To sack Bartram after a shite season coming off the back of the worlds biggest layoff from football would be harsh. We know what he's capable of and the fact he's come back into a team pretending to be footballers doesn't help. If he's crapola next season I'm all for giving him the arse. Same applies with Bell

 

[unstable punt]

Trade/Delist them all at seasons end. Pay them out, I don't care.

Daniel Bell
Clint Bartram
Mark Jamar
John Meesen
Jace Bode
Ben Holland
Isaac Weetra
Nathan Carroll
Jeff White
Adem Yze

10 free spots. (11 including Neitz)

Shane Valenti (Elevate)
Aussie Wonaeamirri (Elevate)
Jake Spencer (Elevate)
Robbie Warnock (Trade/PSD)
Pick 1
Pick 17
Pick 19
Pick 35
Pick 51
Pick 67
PSD Pick 1

Incoming Player from Trade (Lovett?)

---------------------------------

Get it done Bails.

they'll keep Batram,Bell and Meeson, the rest should go

 

[dee-molishon]

they'll keep Batram,Bell and Meeson, the rest should go

I applaud BC.
All those players mentioned can go and im very willing to add paul wheatley for trade.

If we just get rid of players like weetra, bode, white yze, jamar and carroll what do you people think we will get in return? Absolutley bugger all, no one will want to trade for them. If you want something for these players like bell and wheatley you need to trade them now while they are young enough and still have some sort of value.
Wait another season for players like bell, wheatley and bartram to put in another stinker and value will plumett.
Green if he wants three years look elsewhere even though he has been great this year.
Bruce for a senior player does absolutley nothing that inspires anyone he needs to be traded this year.

 

[Dez!]

I applaud BC.
All those players mentioned can go and im very willing to add paul wheatley for trade.

If we just get rid of players like weetra, bode, white yze, jamar and carroll what do you people think we will get in return? Absolutley bugger all, no one will want to trade for them. If you want something for these players like bell and wheatley you need to trade them now while they are young enough and still have some sort of value.
Wait another season for players like bell, wheatley and bartram to put in another stinker and value will plumett.
Green if he wants three years look elsewhere even though he has been great this year.
Bruce for a senior player does absolutley nothing that inspires anyone he needs to be traded this year.

1. Contrary to what you might think, Wheatley is having his best season yet and his value would be at it's highest.

2. Yes Bruce didn't have his usual 25+ possession but it's idiotic of you to say he should be traded after one game, he wasn't the only one who played poorly and probably hit the most targets for us.

 

[whelan=legend]

1. Contrary to what you might think, Wheatley is having his best season yet and his value would be at it's highest.

2. Yes Bruce didn't have his usual 25+ possession but it's idiotic of you to say he should be traded after one game, he wasn't the only one who played poorly and probably hit the most targets for us.

If any of our players 27+ can get us a first round pick, i will be the first one to show them the door.

 

[Dez!]

If any of our players 27+ can get us a first round pick, i will be the first one to show them the door.

If we got a first round pick I don't think there would be a single complaint from anyone on here. It's 100% certain that we will not get a first round pick for any of our 27+ players, we would be lucky to get a second round pick.

All of this is just an over-reaction to a shit performance.

 

[whelan=legend]

If we got a first round pick I don't think there would be a single complaint from anyone on here. It's 100% certain that we will not get a first round pick for any of our 27+ players, we would be lucky to get a second round pick.

All of this is just an over-reaction to a shit performance.

Green or Bruce i reckon could get a pick in the 12-16 region.

 

[cannons]

Those Connolly comments would be well and good if they actually followed up on them, how was Sylvia starting in the middle again today? Farcical.

Stick him I50 and leave him there. He's not good enough for a midfield spot at this stage, and probably never will be.

Sylvia is good enough to play in the middle, he was the only one who showed anything against Geelong early, and he has plenty of ability to win the contested ball. In fact, I think he could be a fantastic midfielder, perhaps one of the club's best if he can get fit.

We must remember the man has never completed a full pre-season, and I know that isn't everything, but it goes a long way towards builing your fitness base for the season and, without it, you already start behind the 8-ball.

If he can enhance his fitness, he'll be great in the middle. I'd like to see him play as a mid primarily and rest up forward as Scott Thompson does. In any case, he certainly has the ability to play through the midfield.

All of this is just an over-reaction to a shit performance.

Exactly.

 

[The Dr]

Trade/Delist them all at seasons end. Pay them out, I don't care.

Daniel Bell
Clint Bartram
Mark Jamar
John Meesen
Jace Bode
Ben Holland
Isaac Weetra
Nathan Carroll
Jeff White
Adem Yze

10 free spots. (11 including Neitz)

Shane Valenti (Elevate)
Aussie Wonaeamirri (Elevate)
Jake Spencer (Elevate)
Robbie Warnock (Trade/PSD)
Pick 1
Pick 17
Pick 19
Pick 35
Pick 51
Pick 67
PSD Pick 1

Incoming Player from Trade (Lovett?)

---------------------------------

Get it done Bails.

Agree with pretty much everything you say BC, apart from the ones I put in bold. We certainly need to turn over a lot of our list.

I reckon we should give bartram one more year after coming back from basically a year off, and we should also reward Jamar for his efforts (although if we got a ridiculous offer for either of them, I'd then consider trading them).

Wouldn't want Lovett, even though he has pace (what we lack) - I'd rather take a pacy midfielder in the draft, who can develop into a player of at least Lovett's ability, but without the off-field stuff.

 

[Flashhh]

Like most people here, agree with the opening past bar Bell, Bartram and probably Jamar.
Bell was our best defender last year and has just had a bad year (along with the rest of the side) so to just simply get rid of him is wrong. He will be back next year.
I think many are forgetting how good Clint Bartram was in his first season, his injuries have done more damage than people think. He did not play a game from round 22 2006 right up until the start of the 2008 season. With a layoff that big and what he has already shown he deserves one more year AT LEAST.
And Jamar well yes he's Jamar but unless we want to make a promising young key defender (one of the rarest commodities in football) become a bit player as a ruckman/defender for the sake of 'making the tough decisions' then he stays. White's going, Meesen's not going at all (I mean that literally) and Spencer is still a long way off AFL if he ever makes it, so unfortunately Jamar's the 2nd best we get.
Also, trying to get Andrew Lovett is just absolute stupidity.

 

[dee-molishon]

1. Contrary to what you might think, Wheatley is having his best season yet and his value would be at it's highest.

2. Yes Bruce didn't have his usual 25+ possession but it's idiotic of you to say he should be traded after one game, he wasn't the only one who played poorly and probably hit the most targets for us.

1)If this is the best wheatley can do trade him now. Hes a butcher with kickins, cant man up in the backline and is utterly piss poor at one on one contests. Id much rather have chris johnson running round chasing kicks in the backline instead of wheatley.

2) Im not just talking about yesterday im talking about the year. What does bruce do for our leadership? Hes got flipping tunnell vision when hes inside 50, hes kicking is shit house and he hasnt got pace or ability to win the hardball. He would be great in a good team but if we are relying on him for huge output and leadership we are kidding ourselves.
Would gladly take a 2nd rounder for him or a young player on the way through, someone like jarred moore from sydney if they want another older player.