Ben Rutten

[Waite_30]

This thread is a disaster.

Rutten will remain a Crow. There is no reason, other than salary, that would tempt him to come to us.

 

[gandaal]

This thread is a disaster.

Rutten will remain a Crow. There is no reason, other than salary, that would tempt him to come to us.

That's just about the silliest post in this thread.

 

[FlyingCrow]

This thread is a disaster.

Rutten will remain a Crow. There is no reason, other than salary, that would tempt him to come to us.

A Carlton supporter with sense...

Like I said there is no need to rush into his contract, he will never leave Adelaide...You can Dream, but he is no Juda$$

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

This thread is a disaster.

Rutten will remain a Crow. There is no reason, other than salary, that would tempt him to come to us.

Why is it a disaster ?

It's not unreasonable to think - that if your club is able to land the biggest name in footy, then it can land anyone.

There are hundreds of threads naming UNCONTRACTED players we should go after on a yearly basis - why should Rutten be any different ?

 

[Bluebear]

This thread is a disaster.

Rutten will remain a Crow. There is no reason, other than salary, that would tempt him to come to us.

Maybe he sees a list on the decline with a failure to plan for the immediate future.
Maybe he thinks he's got 4-5 top years left and doesn't want to spend them being the best player in a team thats is rebuilding.

Maybe Pratt has made him an offer he can't refuse.

Other than salaray there are a whole host of reasons he could leave.

Is it likely?
No, probably not.
Is it ridiculous to think it could happen?
No more ridiculous than suggesting 12 months ago that Judd would be wearing Navy Blue.

 

[bluekidjoe]

Just imagine this next year:

B: Jamison, Rutten, Thornton
HB: Scotland, O'hailpin, Hadley
C: Simpson, Carrazzo, Walker
HF: Houlihan, Waite, Murphy
F: Betts, Fevola, Fisher
R: Cloke, Judd, Stevens

INT: Gibbs, Hampson, Bentick, Bower

EMG: Kreuzer, Jackson, Blackwell

This side with a year or 2 more experience is a premiership side... Lets hope we get Rutten

 

[crowman_23]

Just imagine this next year:

B: Jamison, Rutten, Thornton
HB: Scotland, O'hailpin, Hadley
C: Simpson, Carrazzo, Walker
HF: Houlihan, Waite, Murphy
F: Betts, Fevola, Fisher
R: Cloke, Judd, Stevens

INT: Gibbs, Hampson, Bentick, Bower

EMG: Kreuzer, Jackson, Blackwell

This side with a year or 2 more experience is a premiership side... Lets hope we get Rutten

Personally still don't think that is a premiership side. While Cloke is in the ruck definately not. O'hailpin is promising but would remind me of Sydney winning with LRT holding up CHB. It's an OK side but will never be anywhere close to the best side in the land.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Maybe he sees a list on the decline with a failure to plan for the immediate future.
Maybe he thinks he's got 4-5 top years left and doesn't want to spend them being the best player in a team thats is rebuilding.

Yeah, why would he want to go to a rebuilding club...

Hang on, your club is still officially 'rebuilding'. You DO realize that you havent actually achieved anything yet? Getting Judd hasnt transformed you into an instant contender. Get off it.

 

[sosos]

Yeah, why would he want to go to a rebuilding club...

Hang on, your club is still officially 'rebuilding'. You DO realize that you havent actually achieved anything yet? Getting Judd hasnt transformed you into an instant contender. Get off it.

As I'm sure you realise the same for your club.

 

[crowman_23]

As I'm sure you realise the same for your club.

I certainly do. Annoys the shit out of me.

 

[Bluebear]

Yeah, why would he want to go to a rebuilding club...

Hang on, your club is still officially 'rebuilding'. You DO realize that you havent actually achieved anything yet? Getting Judd hasnt transformed you into an instant contender. Get off it.

Pfft.......your last flag was almost as long ago as ours.

Maybe he sees a sinking ship vs a newly commissioned one, and wants to change.

Add Rutten and Judd to ANY side in the comp and they go from poor to good.

and we actually have a forward line as well.

IMO he won't leave, but don't underestimate his impact if he does.......for you and for his new team.

 

[Southerntakeover]

As I'm sure you realise the same for your club.

Yeah, in terms of premierships thats true. I think i worded what i meant badly though.

Our club has been a strong one in recent times. 6 out of the last 7 finals series we've been involved. Not many clubs can say that. To suggest that a player would leave that club in order to go to the team that has been cellar dwelling recently, in order to chase success is a ridiculous statement.

I dont mean it as a slight on your club, as you will improve, but i think some of your supporters are getting carried away declaring yourselves as premiership contenders.

 

[Southerntakeover]

IMO he won't leave, but don't underestimate his impact if he does.......for you and for his new team.

Would never do that. Without Rutten wed be screwed. You only need to look at the games he missed through injury this year. We were butchered by Gherig, Pav and Lloyd in that time. Cost us three matches, and probably a top 4 spot.

Rutten is the most important player on our list. All the more reason i doubt we'd be letting him leave.

 

[ALM_30]

I hope Carlton do get Ben Rutten.

You wanna know why:
Because Ben Rutten currently plays for a side, who's gameplan is built around it's defence in Adelaide.

Neil Craig loves to ensure his defence is rarely beaten by dropping numbers behind the ball at all costs. His way of working entails the Crow's two wingman pushing back across the half back line, allowing Adelaide's half backmen to push deeper into defence. And also, Ben Hudson or any other of their ruckman are instructed to drop back and fill in the whole about 30 out from goal.

This makes the job of the full- back very easy, and for Rutten it happens week in, week out. He reminds me alot of Mal Michael at Brisbane, (who we can now see for the player he truly is) in that he is an average defender made to look very good by the way his team plays or the players around him. The reason he appears so important at Adelaide is because all the Crows need at full- back is someone big who can clog space, so the rest of the defence can go to work, that wouldn't adapt at the Blues, as was seen by Mal's move to Essendon this year, when the support isn't there, when blokes like Leppitsch and Scott and Pike and Ashcroft aren't there for the chop out what happens? It would be the same with Rutten. Guaranteed.

People watch Rutten play, he doesn't outmark his opponents, he doesn't spoil them, he doesn't provide any rebound, he is slow on the lead, and vulnerable in one on one's when left by himself. Such is the reason why he hasn't been AA the last two years.

He would soon crumble under the siege mentality at Carlton. I promise you.

 

[Southerntakeover]

People watch Rutten play, he doesn't outmark his opponents, he doesn't spoil them, he doesn't provide any rebound, he is slow on the lead, and vulnerable in one on one's when left by himself. Such is the reason why he hasn't been AA the last two years.

Thats a load of crap. I doubt you've been watching him play at all. Rutten frequently outmarks his opponents. Watch his games on Jonathon Brown earlier this year. Rutten outbodied Brown more times than Brown outbodied Rutten, and it showed.

He is very much underrated in his ability to rebound as well, he frequently runs off his opponent with the ball.

His biggest weakness is definetely against a fast full forward on the lead, but his great skill is not giving up the corridor. If a forward outmarks Rutten, its usually 50 out on a harsh angle, where the percentages suit the Truck.

 

[Orange]

Never forget that Carlton supporters are almost as bad as Collingwoods. Not quite as full of themselves. Not quite as one-eyed and blind to the world around them. Not quite as feral. Not quite as *******ated with spittle whenever they get on a roll and talk like crazy people. Not quite as ready to claim the flag despite being cheats and tankers and the worst team in the comp this century.

 

[ALM_30]

Thats a load of crap. I doubt you've been watching him play at all. Rutten frequently outmarks his opponents. Watch his games on Jonathon Brown earlier this year. Rutten outbodied Brown more times than Brown outbodied Rutten, and it showed.

He is very much underrated in his ability to rebound as well, he frequently runs off his opponent with the ball.

His biggest weakness is definetely against a fast full forward on the lead, but his great skill is not giving up the corridor. If a forward outmarks Rutten, its usually 50 out on a harsh angle, where the percentages suit the Truck.

He doesn't give up the corridor because forwards can never lead up the corridor against Adelaide's defence. Hudson or whomever is always in the way, Craig always ensures the corridor is shut off in front of Rutten.

And by the way Rutten AND Stevens did a great job on Brown earlier this year.

Rutten isn't a good rebounding defender. Look at hi stats 80% of his kicks are deemed 'short'. Every time he gets the ball in a solitary position in the backline, he holds it for the enth amount of time wating for a dinky little option to open up, he isn't dynamic in his rebounding at all. When he does push away from his opponent up field it's out on the wings.

Rutten has little versatility as well. No Adelaide fan say that he does.

 

[Southerntakeover]

He doesn't give up the corridor because forwards can never lead up the corridor against Adelaide's defence. Hudson or whomever is always in the way, Craig always ensures the corridor is shut off in front of Rutten.

And by the way Rutten AND Stevens did a great job on Brown earlier this year.

So, Rutten is no good because our team plays well defensively? That makes alot of sense.

As for Rutten and Stevens playing on him... look at the footage. When there is a one on one situation, Rutten won more times than not. Meanwhile, every team in the league double teams j brown, yet we were one of the most successful. Why?

Ok, so tell me this...

If Rutten is so unimportant, why is it that in the games we missed we got butchered by Pav, and Lloyd, neither one of which did anything in the games earlier in the year when they had to play on the truck?

Surely if its all the system, and nothing to do with the player, anyone we stuck at fullback would have the same success?

 

[Bee]

Never forget that Carlton supporters are almost as bad as Collingwoods. Not quite as full of themselves. Not quite as one-eyed and blind to the world around them. Not quite as feral. Not quite as *******ated with spittle whenever they get on a roll and talk like crazy people. Not quite as ready to claim the flag despite being cheats and tankers and the worst team in the comp this century.

Not quite as stupid as those who troll the Carlton board.

 

[sosos]

Never forget that Carlton supporters are almost as bad as Collingwoods. Not quite as full of themselves. Not quite as one-eyed and blind to the world around them. Not quite as feral. Not quite as *******ated with spittle whenever they get on a roll and talk like crazy people. Not quite as ready to claim the flag despite being cheats and tankers and the worst team in the comp this century.

This post does nothing for your credibility here.....try saying something constructive now go back to drinking your wee water.

 

[NikkiNoo]

This post does nothing for your credibility here.....try saying something constructive now go back to drinking your wee water.

He is based in Darwin.....

 

[sosos]

He is based in Darwin.....

lol....must be hitting a Darwin stubby too hard .

 

[big schnitzel]

if your club is able to land the biggest name in footy, then it can land anyone.

I don't think it was as simple as that. It kinda helped your cause when Judd came out and said "I am leaving West Coast, I want to move back to Melbourne, and I'll either play for Richmond, Melbourne, Collingwood or Carlton thanks."

I don't remember Rutten, or anyone else, saying anything similar?

 

[ALM_30]

So, Rutten is no good because our team plays well defensively? That makes alot of sense.

As for Rutten and Stevens playing on him... look at the footage. When there is a one on one situation, Rutten won more times than not. Meanwhile, every team in the league double teams j brown, yet we were one of the most successful. Why?

Ok, so tell me this...

If Rutten is so unimportant, why is it that in the games we missed we got butchered by Pav, and Lloyd, neither one of which did anything in the games earlier in the year when they had to play on the truck?

Surely if its all the system, and nothing to do with the player, anyone we stuck at fullback would have the same success?

First of all you have to look at who played FB in those games Rutten was missing. I believe it was McGregor. He is not a ready made relacement at FB, playing on the games best forwards. That's why, you got butchered!

If you stuck a player with adequate experience playing FB in Adelaide's system they would have success.

I never said you played well defensively, I said your gameplan is an immensely defensive one.

Rutten suits Adelaide's scheme well, because he is a big, strong body who can occupy a large amount of space, making him hard to get around. With Adelaide playing the way they do, forwards never have much room to menouvre, and the small pockets they do find are easy for Rutten to fill. Unlike a lot of other defenders Rutten can get away bad positioning or making mistakes because his opponents struggle to find room to expose him because Adelaide's defensive gameplan is so tight.

Rutten is a good player but I think he's overrated. You have to take into account my points because it explains why Rutten hasn't been even considered for AA the last two years ahead of Glass and Scarlett.

2005 was a farytale story for him, bursting on to the scene out of nowhere, but the football world have awoken to him since.

 

[Bluebear]

Would never do that. Without Rutten wed be screwed. You only need to look at the games he missed through injury this year. We were butchered by Gherig, Pav and Lloyd in that time. Cost us three matches, and probably a top 4 spot.

Rutten is the most important player on our list. All the more reason i doubt we'd be letting him leave.

Judd was the most important player to the WCE
Locket was to the Saints when he left.

Big names do go..........I hope for your sake he doesn't































I hope for our sake he does.