Opinion Best side 2018

[Ratcat]

I've already seen enough of Cockatoo to discard (perceived potential)this kid is as talented and confident as they come,he just needs time on the ground along with a injury free run.He's going to be an excitement machine.

We shouldn't have to wait any longer, 9 possies a game is bordering on pathetic.

 

[Landgraft]

We shouldn't have to wait any longer, 9 possies a game is bordering on pathetic.

Misleading too, considering he was injured in four of his eleven games and in two of those he only had 2 and 3 touches.

To judge Cocky on averages at this stage is fairly pointless.

 

[dazbroncos]

Misleading too, considering he was injured in four of his eleven games and in two of those he only had 2 and 3 touches.

To judge Cocky on averages at this stage is fairly pointless.

But ... but... but... it makes it so more dramatic !!!!

Go Catters

 

[Partridge]

But ... but... but... it makes it so more dramatic !!!!

Go Catters

So what should he be judged on? My picks would be consistency and output.

The only thing dramatic about Cockatoo is the ridiculous hype and nonsense about a mostly unproven player. When he starts contributing on a regular basis that excitement will start to be justified.

 

[Landgraft]

So what should he be judged on? My picks would be consistency and output.

The only thing dramatic about Cockatoo is the ridiculous hype and nonsense about a mostly unproven player. When he starts contributing on a regular basis that excitement will start to be justified.

Consistency isn't that useful (a measure) at the start of an injury interrupted career, though. Especially not when the numbers are so badly distorted by factors outside of his control.

If you remove the two games where he went off in the first quarter he averaged basically the same for disposals this year as Daniel Rioli. (10.88 v 10.84). He kicked multiple goals in three matches, getting 3, 2 and 2 vs Carlton, St Kilda and Collingwood respectively.

These aren't inspirational numbers, but they are perfectly acceptable for a developing small forward. As far as I can tell your gripe isn't so much with Nakia as with people who act as if he's already made it. Fair enough if so, but at the same time I don't think it's unreasonable to be buoyant about his clearly enormous ceiling.

 

[Cataholic]

So what should he be judged on? My picks would be consistency and output.

The only thing dramatic about Cockatoo is the ridiculous hype and nonsense about a mostly unproven player. When he starts contributing on a regular basis that excitement will start to be justified.

‘Mostly unproven’ ........suggests any judgement on his skill, or perceived lack thereof, is unjustified at this point.

It’s fair to say he’s shown signs, but not had the consistency with game time, free of injury, to truly assess whether he has the ability to consistently display the skill we suspect he has.

It’s probably prudent therefore to reserve judgement until he gets that opportunity.

 

[Hood007]

Here's my early go...

FB: Stewart - Henderson - Bews
HB: Tuohy - Taylor - Kolodjashnij
C: Duncan - G Ablett - Guthrie
HF: Cockatoo - Crameri - Parfitt
FF: Menzel - Hawkins - McCarthy
R: Smith - Dangerfield - J Selwood
I: Blicavs - Scooter - Menegola - Thurlow
E: Kelly - Fogarty - Gregson

A few thoughts:

• I'm convinced we can't play Smith, Blicavs & Stanley in the same side.
• I expect Tim Kelly to play games and to play them early.
• Happy to play Hawkins as a lone KPF and with Crameri & Menzel as long as we get premium forward pressure from the other 3 guys which could be any combination of players.
• I would love it if McCarthy, Gregson, Cockatoo & Parfitt could all play and play well to fulfil the fwd pressure role. Time will tell if we can squeeze them all in the one side.
• Clearly our midfield is pretty strong. Hopefully this means one of Danger or Ablett can spend larger chunks up forward.
• I think our defence is strong also, even with Loners & Mackie gone. A huge year from Thurlow would be a massive boost to our best 22.
• As has been mentioned, we need our non best 22 players to keep pushing to put pressure on our bottom 10 or so players.
• Gazza is back! (In case anyone has forgotten )

 

[ChookNorris]

Here's my early go...

FB: Stewart - Henderson - Bews
HB: Tuohy - Taylor - Kolodjashnij
C: Duncan - G Ablett - Guthrie
HF: Cockatoo - Crameri - Parfitt
FF: Menzel - Hawkins - McCarthy
R: Smith - Dangerfield - J Selwood
I: Blicavs - Scooter - Menegola - Thurlow
E: Kelly - Fogarty - Gregson

A few thoughts:

• I'm convinced we can't play Smith, Blicavs & Stanley in the same side.
• I expect Tim Kelly to play games and to play them early.
• Happy to play Hawkins as a lone KPF and with Crameri & Menzel as long as we get premium forward pressure from the other 3 guys which could be any combination of players.
• I would love it if McCarthy, Gregson, Cockatoo & Parfitt could all play and play well to fulfil the fwd pressure role. Time will tell if we can squeeze them all in the one side.
• Clearly our midfield is pretty strong. Hopefully this means one of Danger or Ablett can spend larger chunks up forward.
• I think our defence is strong also, even with Loners & Mackie gone. A huge year from Thurlow would be a massive boost to ur best 22.
• As has been mentioned, we need our non best 22 players to keep pushing to put pressure on our bottom 10 or so players.
• Gazza is back! (In case anyone has forgotten )

I’d nearly drop Crameri for Kelly on the bench. Move Danger FF, Hawkins CHF, Scooter starting mid. Other than that I reckon your on. Don’t be surprised if Fogarty pinches McCarthys spot either.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Here's my early go...

FB: Stewart - Henderson - Bews
HB: Tuohy - Taylor - Kolodjashnij
C: Duncan - G Ablett - Guthrie
HF: Cockatoo - Crameri - Parfitt
FF: Menzel - Hawkins - McCarthy
R: Smith - Dangerfield - J Selwood
I: Blicavs - Scooter - Menegola - Thurlow
E: Kelly - Fogarty - Gregson

A few thoughts:

• I'm convinced we can't play Smith, Blicavs & Stanley in the same side.
• I expect Tim Kelly to play games and to play them early.
• Happy to play Hawkins as a lone KPF and with Crameri & Menzel as long as we get premium forward pressure from the other 3 guys which could be any combination of players.
• I would love it if McCarthy, Gregson, Cockatoo & Parfitt could all play and play well to fulfil the fwd pressure role. Time will tell if we can squeeze them all in the one side.
• Clearly our midfield is pretty strong. Hopefully this means one of Danger or Ablett can spend larger chunks up forward.
• I think our defence is strong also, even with Loners & Mackie gone. A huge year from Thurlow would be a massive boost to ur best 22.
• As has been mentioned, we need our non best 22 players to keep pushing to put pressure on our bottom 10 or so players.
• Gazza is back! (In case anyone has forgotten )

TEAM INVALID.

No Jansen

 

[Ratcat]

‘Mostly unproven’ ........suggests any judgement on his skill, or perceived lack thereof, is unjustified at this point.

It’s fair to say he’s shown signs, but not had the consistency with game time, free of injury, to truly assess whether he has the ability to consistently display the skill we suspect he has.

It’s probably prudent therefore to reserve judgement until he gets that opportunity.

I take your point re injuries, but presently 11 games 2016 season averaging 9.4disposals /50 afl fantasy points per game doesnt fill me with confidence.
Based on performance output you'd have to classify him fringe standard only atm.
I even think Kelly might force him out given a level playing field opportunity.

 

[Cataholic]

I take your point re injuries, but presently 11 games 2016 season averaging 9.4disposals /50 afl fantasy points per game doesnt fill me with confidence.
Based on performance output you'd have to classify him fringe standard only atm.
I even think Kelly might force him out given a level playing field opportunity.

Agreed, they’re not flattering stats, but again, I think the sample size is both too small and compromised by a fragile fitness to date.

 

[dazbroncos]

So what should he be judged on? My picks would be consistency and output.

The only thing dramatic about Cockatoo is the ridiculous hype and nonsense about a mostly unproven player. When he starts contributing on a regular basis that excitement will start to be justified.

Don’t think I posted anywhere the hype is justified.. please direct me to where I did.

The sooking over the hype is as bad as he hype itself. He's got ridiculous tools at his disposal and has flashed them at times.
ITs just too bad he's then missed 12 games or so every year as he gets hurt.

And he certainly needs to do more - but until he gets fit we can write all kinds of "what we want to see" lists but it aint gonna change a thing.

Get him fit, let him get some consistency in games and then start looking at what he is or is not putting together. But again, he's still 21 years old and played all of 32 games.

I reckon calling him and his output pathetic, IMO, is stupid.

GO Catters

 

[Landgraft]

I take your point re injuries, but presently 11 games 2016 season averaging 9.4disposals /50 afl fantasy points per game doesnt fill me with confidence.
Based on performance output you'd have to classify him fringe standard only atm.
I even think Kelly might force him out given a level playing field opportunity.

You still haven't addressed my critiques of those numbers... and Kelly is not a small forward or likely to compete for the same spot.

 

[Ratcat]

I think a few of us are saying the hype is unrealized and the stats back that up.....the sooking is all on your part when reality bites.

I never said he was pathetic, what l said was his stats bordered on the pathetic. Proves to me you're insincere.

 

[Catdog]

The sooking over the hype is as bad as he hype itself. He's got ridiculous tools at his disposal and has flashed them at times.
ITs just too bad he's then missed 12 games or so every year as he gets hurt.

And he certainly needs to do more - but until he gets fit we can write all kinds of "what we want to see" lists but it aint gonna change a thing.

Get him fit, let him get some consistency in games and then start looking at what he is or is not putting together. But again, he's still 21 years old and played all of 32 games.

I reckon calling him and his output pathetic, IMO, is stupid.

GO Catters[/QUOTE]

+1 Love the fact he is a Cat.

 

[Cataholic]

I think a few of us are saying the hype is unrealized and the stats back that up.....the sooking is all on your part when reality bites.

I never said he was pathetic, what l said was his stats bordered on the pathetic. Proves to me you're insincere.

People were saying the same about Mitch Marshes stats.......but perhaps they went a tad early.

I think we have to see more from Cocky before a call can be made about his ability either way.

 

[Ratcat]

You still haven't addressed my critiques of those numbers... and Kelly is not a small forward or likely to compete for the same spot.

You don't think so?....l see him playing HFF rotating mid or FP which would have him competing directly.
I said your considerations were warranted to a degree but there has to be a question mark until proven otherwise.

 

[The rabbi]

Our backline depth looks a bit thin... We should've kept Ruggles.

I reckon Kelly will be Best 22.

Keen to see how GAJ plays as a Fwd, his best position is in the midfield IMO.

Cam Guthrie will more than likely spend quite a bit of time in the back half of the ground in 2018.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Cam Guthrie will more than likely spend quite a bit of time in the back half of the ground in 2018.

Guthrie may find himself in the VFL.

 

[The rabbi]

Guthrie may find himself in the VFL.

I sincerely doubt it.

 

[Landgraft]

You don't think so?....l see him playing HFF rotating mid or FP which would have him competing directly.
I said your considerations were warranted to a degree but there has to be a question mark until proven otherwise.

HFF rotating mid sure, but Cocky isn't in that role as a link player which would be where Kelly is used. And I see almost no chance of him ending up closer to goal as a pure forward option, he plays primarily as an inside mid that's strong in the contest.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I sincerely doubt it.

I'm guessing a few of you might find yourselves surprised next year. If he takes this years form into the next and given our depth through the midfield and down back, he's a legitimate chance to play VFL.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Guthrie may find himself in the VFL.

You honestly think that Scott would do that?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You honestly think that Scott would do that?

We didn't have the depth last year. Next year we have.

 

[Cool Cat]

People were saying the same about Mitch Marshes stats.......but perhaps they went a tad early.

I think we have to see more from Cocky before a call can be made about his ability either way.

God please don’t lump him in with Mitch marsh!