Bevo vs Brad

[Thewlis Dish]

So you have bought into the opposition narrative that we 'lucked' into those prelims. What a crock of shit.

Where did I say that? Take off the tin foil hat.

 

[RobZombie]

The more concerning comparison is the difference in treatment of under-performing players.

There is no way Brad would even contemplate dropping Stringer.

Poor performance is acceptable at North. It is not at Footscray.

Yeah he would never have dropped Cunnington or Atley or Wright or McDonald. Or highly rated #3 pick Hansen or prize recruit from Port Jacobs ...


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[Thewlis Dish]

Yeah he would never have dropped Cunnington or Atley or Wright or McDonald. Or highly rated #3 pick Hansen or prize recruit from Port Jacobs ...

None of those guys were established front line players when he dropped them. Perhaps Atley but he lasted 2-3 weeks longer than he should have.

 

[RobZombie]

None of those guys were established front line players when he dropped them. Perhaps Atley but he lasted 2-3 weeks longer than he should have.

When was Cunners last dropped? 2012?
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...&pid1=3799&pid2=3318&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

 

[R00StaR]

I think he is a good coach who has had the benefit of the best possible finals draw the last two years.

I'm not sure he could have coached the game Beverage did last night though.

I think he's a good coach whos had a tough task given the circumstances. He inherited a list with major talent and age group holes, which really needed a larger rebuild right there and then. However he faced the compromised drafts where GWS, GC where tanking with another 3-5 clubs in rebuild mode so access to quality picks would be near on impossible. Given the mid aged players we had at the time - (now the retiring older ones) the most logical thing to do given the circumstances was to push for a flag with that group.

Perhaps he and the recruitment department couldve injected more run/ class in the middle, but those players are A graders who require A graders in return top 10 picks. To make matters worse, Swallow has slowed up massively since his injury and Wells has struggled to stay on the park for the last 3 years.

Apart from a few minor tweaks to the list here and there i dont see theres a lot more Scott couldve done. More important to me is what he does from here on in - and so far so good. Those older guys failed to take their chance are being moved, but theres a hell of a lot more to do. I think we all see the need, the need for speed.

 

[Zebrah]

Great win for the dogs, but I am pretty sure a lot of people were inconsolable over the fact we didn't have Ken Hinkley a couple of years ago...

 

[jclei]

Im actually really happy The MC didnt select Waite or Thompson. We are making the responsible decision to play those not injured.

Dont forget Higgins and LMac are hardly at peak fitness and given theres talk Higgins might not get up i dont think we could have selected underdone players.

Thompson could barely run this week by the way so it was only really a decision about Waite

 

[Only Forwards]

Time for some stats.

On only 4 occasions under the current top 8 set up has a team clawed it's way from the bottom half of the 8 to play in a preliminary final. Meaning it has happened once in every 8 attempts. Two of the occasions the team who did it was coached by Brad. Meaning that on 28 occasions in finals a coach wished they'd been able to do what Brad did and survive that bit longer in finals.

If Bevo of bravington can muster that feat this year then maybe he is near the level of Brad.

If he cannot however maybe stupid comparisons could stop being thrown up vomit style.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

If Beverage still hasn't finished in the top four after home and away in seven years at the Dogs, then fair enough. I suspect they will be a legitimate flag threat as early as next year though.

But granted, one has runs on the board and the other not. I just reckon last night was both a masterclass in team spirit and innovative coaching, and I just couldn't see us playing that sort of a game and having that sort of belief under Scott.

 

[Only Forwards]

If Beverage still hasn't finished in the top four after home and away in seven years at the Dogs, then fair enough. I suspect they will be a legitimate flag threat as early as next year though.

But granted, one has runs on the board and the other not. I just reckon last night was both a masterclass in team spirit and innovative coaching, and I just couldn't see us playing that sort of a game and having that sort of belief under Scott.

What did they have running around last night?
Pick 1
Pick 4
Pick 5
Pick 6
Cheap f/s

All drafted within what 6 years?

Brad on the other hand
Pick 2 - 2002
Pick 3 - 2007
Pick 5 - 2010
Pick 7 - 2013
Pick 9 - 2008

Its not an Apples to Apples comparison.

Bevo from bravington's success comes at the cost of a rather large knife in the back of Brendan McCarthy.

I for one hope that they top out completely in the next few years, even make a grand final or two only to have GWS win it.

 

[Marstermind]

We go with a side unchanged from one that was totally lacklustre in its last start and looking totally devoid of confidence. Yet I can't think of one fit player who could come in and make a significant difference. And the Bulldogs are the ones crippled with injuries?

(Kudos to them though - they were awesome last night)

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Yeah fair enough, I dislike the Dogs and Beverage as much as the next North fan, but if you gave me a choice of the two coaches it wouldn't be Scott.

And that's not based on hard stats like where players were drafted, who has won more finals etc. It's just based on my own views - I think Bev is a much more versatile coach, and the Dogs certainly don't suffer from the same effort and intensity issues we tend to.

But at the end of the day one is a second year coach and one is a seventh year coach, so comparing both on numbers alone probably isn't going to work.

And running around last night they also had Daniel (pick 46), Dalhaus (pick 70) and Johanissen (rookie), not to mention a re-invented Matthew Boyd, if you're going to play the "where their list was drafted" game.

 

[nicko74]

Im actually really happy The MC didnt select Waite or Thompson. We are making the responsible decision to play those not injured.

Dont forget Higgins and LMac are hardly at peak fitness and given theres talk Higgins might not get up i dont think we could have selected underdone players.

Thompson could barely run this week by the way so it was only really a decision about Waite

First I've heard of Higgins not getting up

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

Yet we have made the last two prelims.

So is Brad a good coach or not?

I would rate Brad as average with regards to getting the list to perform consistently.

Good coach? No.

 

[Passmore]

What did they have running around last night?
Pick 1
Pick 4
Pick 5
Pick 6
Cheap f/s

All drafted within what 6 years?

Brad on the other hand
Pick 2 - 2002
Pick 3 - 2007
Pick 5 - 2010
Pick 7 - 2013
Pick 9 - 2008

Its not an Apples to Apples comparison.

Bevo from bravington's success comes at the cost of a rather large knife in the back of Brendan McCarthy.

I for one hope that they top out completely in the next few years, even make a grand final or two only to have GWS win it.

Nah **** 'em. I like the fact that they have played in two Grand Finals in 90 seasons.

 

[hilly]

I look forward to us bringing the necessary intensity as soon as the ball is bounced tomorrow night.

 

[king rising]

Beveridge doesn't accept weak effort, Brad Scott does. simple as that really.

 

[King Corey]

What did they have running around last night?
Pick 1
Pick 4
Pick 5
Pick 6
Cheap f/s

All drafted within what 6 years?

Brad on the other hand
Pick 2 - 2002
Pick 3 - 2007
Pick 5 - 2010
Pick 7 - 2013
Pick 9 - 2008

Its not an Apples to Apples comparison.

Bevo from bravington's success comes at the cost of a rather large knife in the back of Brendan McCarthy.

I for one hope that they top out completely in the next few years, even make a grand final or two only to have GWS win it.

The pick 1 is a bit misleading, they paid big for that.

Having a quality onballer come in via F/S was lucky I'll give you that.

Agree with the McCarthy part.

 

[archereleven]

Effort is negotiable with Bard.

 

[Event Horizon]

Or it could just be that none of the players that were close to making it back were close enough.

According to Ralph Waite was close and could have played, we just didn't take the risk in case he broke down early again. Thompson wasn't close however, and won't be available next week should we make either.

 

[shniko11]

Bevo decided to bring some players back from injury and it worked. It could have easily backfired.
Brad chose to not risk anyone not ready and it's the right choice i believe considering DMac and Higgins just came back.

Bevo has higher standards and isn't afraid to drop big names from day one.
I'd prefer Bevo's ruthlessness and game day coaching any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[Only Forwards]

I'd prefer Bevo's ruthlessness and game day coaching any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I thought the same of Hinkley and now he's no where.

 

[Brian Fontana]

I think brad Scotts done a solid job with our list - in reality has probably got the most out of them.

I agree though with the uncompromising effort that bev doesn't accept yet we seem to.

You can see the the players just play for Bev and eat and breathe what he tells them.

The fact he was tearing up when talking of one of his players injuries shows you the bond he has with the group.
He's a smart bloke. I couldn't see north having a plan like the dogs did last night to completely pick apart a game plan and carry it out and win.
Yes they have a couple of good draft picks but 3/4 of their team can run through the midfield and offer CONSISTENT effort and output. Eg average 25-30touches week in week out.

That's the difference with us. We don't really have any consistent output in the middle and all over the ground which leads to our average performances.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Pretty sure the Dogs had a pretty aggressive reset a couple of years ago and the coach looks like a genius taking over a disgruntled playing group with a bunch of talented high draft picks with games under their belts and what 3 or 4 father sons?

Compared to Eade, Bevo certainly has done well but comparing Bevo to Brad is not really apples with apples.

 

[King Corey]

I think brad Scotts done a solid job with our list - in reality has probably got the most out of them.

Imo there's been far too many anomaly performances (is it anomaly if it happens regularly?) to make that claim.

Limping to the line v GWS to finish 2012 and force us interstate.

The weekly switch offs to make 2013 a wasted year, sadly in a season I think we played our best brand of football under Scott.

Until this year taking at least 2 weeks each season to hit something close to winning form.

Games like hawks (2nd time), dogs (ditto), port this year where the side seems incapable of concentrating for more than 20 minute periods.