BBL Big Bash League Expansion Thread

[Marklar_33]

Re: talent pool

When you create more opportunities for more players, the fringe players will get better. Sure, you'll see a few spuds playing for 3-4 years, but I don't really get why that's such a big deal anyway

Also, I believe you up the international players to 3, and/or associate players be recruited as locals

 

[Bomberboyokay]

That said, I'd be happy with double headers most days, make Perth and Adelaide the late games predominantly.

Brisbane (and Gold Coast) are further behind on the clock than Adelaide.

If your regional area venue didn't have floodlights, it could be the afternoon game.

If they add more games it's not going to be to play them in Tralalgon or other stupid places people suggest.

 

[The_Reaper]

Brisbane (and Gold Coast) are further behind on the clock than Adelaide.



If they add more games it's not going to be to play them in Tralalgon or other stupid places people suggest.

Correct.

However some other cities are reasonable.

Hobart have said that if they got additional games they would bring them to Launceston which of course already has a 20,000 seater because of the AFL.

And I'd imagine that in the unlikely event that expansion skipped Canberra or Gold Coast that they'll definitely get a game.

Kardinia Park is considered international standard by CA and does hold over 30,000 for cricket so I wouldn't be surprised if the Renegades shifted a match there.

Apart from that, all of Darwin, Cairns and Townsville have iffy weather, Newcastle and Wollongong don't have a suitable stadium and Ballarat is probably too small (and competing with Geelong anyway).

 

[Del125763]

Just my opinion if I was looking down the track the more I think of it, the more likely I could see up to 3 New Zealand teams in it.

But in order of ranking in terms of cities that are most likely to get the next franchise I'd go:

Geelong
Gold Coast
Canberra
2nd WA team
Newcastle

 

[Del125763]

If Geelong sells out its home T20 between Australia and Sri Lanka....they will have a strong case.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Let's wait for one of the Victorian teams to win something first before we even consider a 3rd team there.

The relative bench strength of Perth is far superior. If it's not a decision based entirely on money I'd say we deserve a second team first before the other options above. It isn't as though a second team in Perth would be unsuccessful financially anyway.

 

[The_Reaper]

Let's wait for one of the Victorian teams to win something first before we even consider a 3rd team there.

The relative bench strength of Perth is far superior. If it's not a decision based entirely on money I'd say we deserve a second team first before the other options above. It isn't as though a second team in Perth would be unsuccessful financially anyway.

Any decision will be based on accessing new markets.

Perth tv market won't change and in terms of bums on seat capacity is about to triple anyway.

So Perth isn't a logical choice.

Canberra and Gold Coast are

 

[madmug]

Any decision will be based on accessing new markets.

Perth tv market won't change and in terms of bums on seat capacity is about to triple anyway.

So Perth isn't a logical choice.

Canberra and Gold Coast are

Accessing new markets? Surely ACT & GC already watch it on TV?

 

[The_Reaper]

Accessing new markets? Surely ACT & GC already watch it on TV?

Bums on seats

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

If Geelong sells out its home T20 between Australia and Sri Lanka....they will have a strong case.

It would be hard to judge given half the ground being rebuilt.

 

[Marklar_33]

Accessing new markets? Surely ACT & GC already watch it on TV?

Might end up with more viewership if you have a local team, maybe

 

[Del125763]

Any decision will be based on accessing new markets.

Perth tv market won't change and in terms of bums on seat capacity is about to triple anyway.

So Perth isn't a logical choice.

Canberra and Gold Coast are

I'm going to counter that argument. I think the Big Bash there are more international viewers tuning in, and it would appeal to have a time slot with an Eastern state back to back schedule. (as they currently do for a few fixtures). Currently for the back to back games, you would have a Sydney /Melbourne fixture on at 6pm (EST) and the game following that would be a Scorchers game at (6pm WST or 9pm EST)

I had a read about this article about a BBL team from Fremantle Breeze possibly being introduced:

http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/wa-...am-with-fremantle-breeze-20161215-gtbq2f.html

The more i think about it, the more it makes sense.

I think personally just having the 1 fixture on a day isn't enough. 10 teams with more back to back schedules is great for viewers, and it wouldn't be a stupid idea to have 6 hours of cricket a day.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Any decision will be based on accessing new markets.

Perth tv market won't change and in terms of bums on seat capacity is about to triple anyway.

So Perth isn't a logical choice.

Canberra and Gold Coast are

I'm not convinced a team in Canberra/Gold Coast would generate crowds any bigger than a second Perth team.

 

[ioppolo]

I'm not convinced a team in Canberra/Gold Coast would generate crowds any bigger than a second Perth team.

Especially one that has a separate entity and isn't just Perth second name.

 

[madmug]

Bums on seats

More games with current teams will do that. I think CA would be worried with increasing teams & cluttering up the 6 week window they have.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

There will be no increase in teams in the Mens Comp, until the WBBL is more developed. The WBBL will be CA focus for the next 5 years, once WBBL is fully operational then expansion of teams can occur in both mens and womens.

CA also has to keep in mind the other countries T20 comps and international committments too when structuring the program.

 

[Matchu]

Geelong will push ahead with T20 bid, despite reluctance to expand Big Bash League

GEELONG’S T20 powerbrokers say they won’t be distracted by a move to halt the expansion of the Big Bash League.

David Kelly, chairman of Geelong’s T20 steering committee, declared it intends to press ahead with a “compelling” submission that will be presented to the Cricket Victoria board in the coming months.

It comes as BBL boss Anthony Everard revealed the league will resist the temptation to expand the number of matches, despite calls to increase the length of the tournament and introduce more franchises.

Geelong is one of the leading contenders in the race to join an expanded competition, should the BBL opt to stretch the current line-up beyond eight teams when the current broadcast deal expires in 2018.

And while the status quo is not necessarily good news for Geelong, Kelly said the development would not dampen his spirits.

“No, no, strategically we’re moving along,” he said.

“We have a plan in place that we designed six months ago and we’re working quietly on that.

“We won’t be distracted by other comments at the moment. People say they won’t expand the competition today, Fremantle’s ready to go tomorrow etc ... we are not getting distracted from what we agreed to do.

“We know our dates and where we are heading and we know when we are presenting to Cricket Victoria. At the end of the day, this group has done as much as it can possible do in its pursuit of bringing the Big Bash to Geelong.”

Everard told Fairfax earlier this week that there was a reluctance to grow the competition, for now.

“There are a number of different options available to us and we are starting to explore some of those,” he said.

“Whether it’s additional games from the existing teams or potentially introducing new teams, although that’s not really on the agenda for the next few years.”

The T20 group is in “regular dialogue” with Cricket Victoria, who is understood to be impressed with Geelong’s bid.

“We will be making a formal submission to Cricket Victoria’s board within the next two months,” Kelly said.

“That’s the first hurdle we’ve got to jump.

“There will be no change in the next two years. What are we doing in that time? We’re preparing a plan to convince Cricket Victoria that we are ready and they should endorse it.

“We’re working very hard and we’re diligent, selfless people who will work to ensure we can achieve that.

“And everyone can sit back and wait for Cricket Australia to decide if they’ve got enough (teams), do they want more? And if they do, bang, we’re on the doorstep.”

One potential problem that could arise is the introduction of two summer franchises, with Geelong’s push for an A-League team also gathering serious momentum.

But Kelly is adamant the two proposed clubs could coexist at Simonds Stadium.

“If it ever came to fruition that there were two summer franchises, I’m sure that one wouldn’t try and disadvantage the other,” Kelly said.

“And the T20 fixturing is fairly well indelible. At the moment everyone knows that there’s a six-week period when it’s played every year.

“We would work around fixturing.”

Sounds like Geelong is yet to acquire the backing of Cricket Victoria. We already know the Gold Coast bid team has the backing of Cricket Queensland and I'm sure Cricket ACT are firmly behind the Canberra bid. Could put Geelong behind the eight ball for the time being.

 

[The_Reaper]

Geelong will probably get one of the extra games from an expansion but simple population is working against it.

Geelong is nowhere near as big as the Gold Coast or Canberra. Geelong is the same size as Townsville

Geelong is also probably behind Canberra and another Melbourne or Sydney side in the A-League for the same reasons. Maybe even Wollongong.

 

[Matchu]

Geelong will probably get one of the extra games from an expansion but simple population is working against it.

Geelong is nowhere near as big as the Gold Coast or Canberra. Geelong is the same size as Townsville

Geelong is also probably behind Canberra and another Melbourne or Sydney side in the A-League for the same reasons. Maybe even Wollongong.

Approx populations of Australian cities outside the big 5 with more than 100k people:

Gold Coast QLD - 620k
Newcastle NSW - 430k
Canberra ACT - 420k
Central Coast NSW - 320k
Sunshine Coast QLD - 300k
Wollongong NSW - 290k
Hobart TAS - 210k
Geelong VIC - 190k
Townsville QLD - 180k
Cairns QLD - 150k
Darwin NT - 120k
Toowoomba QLD - 115k

Which of these cities already possess the suitable infrastructure for a BBL franchise?

Geelong: Kardinia Park - 27k (currently redeveloping)
Gold Coast: Carrara Stadium - 25k (redeveloped 2011)
Canberra: Manuka Oval - 16k (redeveloped 2011)
Cairns: Cazaly's Stadium - 13.5k (redeveloped 2011)
Darwin: Marrara Oval - 12k (redeveloped 2003)

It's probably not worth mentioning any smaller venues beyond these ones. Gold Coast and Geelong seemingly have suitable stadiums and Canberra is probably borderline too small but I'd expect the ACT government to upgrade Manuka if they were given a team. Beyond that, you can probably rule out all the other cities as their stadiums would require major upgrades.

 

[The_Reaper]

Manuka Oval is considered large enough to host the BBL Final so its definitely large enough to have a Canberra team.

 

[Del125763]

I went to the BBL 4 final in Canberra a few years ago. Stadium is good but would have to upgrade it to around 25,000 or more to host bigger matches.

Can easily see potential games between a Canberra based team and Sydney teams being sell outs. Based on the stats Machu has given me, if Hobart can get 20k from a population of 210k, then Canberra should be able to get 25k from a population of 420k.

 

[Matchu]

I went to the BBL 4 final in Canberra a few years ago. Stadium is good but would have to upgrade it to around 25,000 or more to host bigger matches.

Can easily see potential games between a Canberra based team and Sydney teams being sell outs. Based on the stats Machu has given me, if Hobart can get 20k from a population of 210k, then Canberra should be able to get 25k from a population of 420k.

Population doesn't necessarily dictate crowds. Don't forget, Canberra is home to the Raiders, Brumbies and several GWS games so there isn't a lack of professional sporting events. Hobart literally has nothing outside of the Hurricanes.

 

[Cleavy]

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cric...und-cricket-nsw-proposes-20170123-gtwvqu.html

Hong Kong round? GTFO! Obviously looking for some of that sweet corruption money.

 

[The_Wookie]

T20 international to be played against Sri Lanka at Kardinia Park in Feb. Its a start

 

[madmug]

Population doesn't necessarily dictate crowds. Don't forget, Canberra is home to the Raiders, Brumbies and several GWS games so there isn't a lack of professional sporting events. Hobart literally has nothing outside of the Hurricanes.

Population helps obviously. The fact that Hurricanes crowds are larger than the AFL crowds in Tasmania shows what happens when you have your own team rather than some FIFO AFL mob. That would apply to playing games away from home in the BBL as well I suspect.