Bigfooty's Official Phantom Draft 2003 - Final Draft Order

[sammyg]

Guy's don't worry about these two "Brain Surgeons", Oggmonster and Bulletproof. They have no credibility as Pattyroo can attest to.

Speaking of which we could do with some of Pattyroo's insights because, "if the rumors true, it's from Pattyroo."

 

[anonymous Joe]

Originally posted by bulletproof
You should be concerned Marcuz if you think the Oggmonster is a moron, he plays a key role in the draft and recruiting at your club. He was actually responsible for the dons taking big bad bustling Courtney Johns ( i read his report at the time) still think he is a moron.

Thanks for the info Oggy.

I find this hard to believe unless of course oggmonster is Adrian Dodoro is real life.

 

[southjoy]

Originally posted by the oggmonster
I wouldn't be calling me a moron. You after all, were one of the recruiters who had us getting Dyson and Surjan in the Top 13. Not a chance in hell. The Top 5 is etched in stone (see "The Offical Top 5" thread). But you and many other ignorant things have failed to take note of this order. I have given it to you all on a platter.

Bulletproof - The Oggmonster may and could be as important as you summise:BUT if I was at Essendon and I had a VIP calling fans ignorant things then I would be speaking to said VIP and asking him to "Please explain".
I can certainly understand the Oggmonster being upset at being called a moron, but you do state " you AND MANY OTHER IGNORANT THINGS".
Lighten up and I for one am interested in reading your comments and opinions just as I am reading other peoples opinions.

I thought the Phantom Draft was a fun excersise and will most likely be quite different from the real deal. Porthos was sensational in his efforts and did well as a proxy for three clubs - which would naturally of changed things as well.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by the oggmonster
This phantom draft is miles off the mark.

Dyson will not be going to Essendon with pick 6 or 13, and will be a late 1st/early second round pick. McLean will go to Melbourne at pick 5. Walker will be 2 and Sylvia 3. Farren Ray 4. Bradley/Tenace to essendon with 6. Beau Waters will go first round most likely before pick 13 and David Trotter will not get past first round. Stanton could be a smoky and go late first but definitley in the top 30. Brent Hall to Adelaide at 14.

The most intriguing selections will be the WCE and Fremantle at 10, 11 and 12. They will need to decide between going for home-grown talent (Surjan, Spencer, Moody, Burges) or whether they go for the Victorian boys. If they go for the local boys we could see guys like Chaplin, Waters, Trotter, Morrison, Dyson etc all fall through to late first round picks.

The purpose of the phantom draft was not to apply what rumours we've heard, it was for the supporters to make their own decision based on what they know of the players and their club.

Given that you have not provided any evidence for your claims - apart from the usual snide "we'll see on Saturday" - I will retain the right to say bollocks. Of course, we'll see on Satuday.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by southjoy
Bulletproof - The Oggmonster may and could be as important as you summise:BUT if I was at Essendon and I had a VIP calling fans ignorant things then I would be speaking to said VIP and asking him to "Please explain".
I can certainly understand the Oggmonster being upset at being called a moron, but you do state " you AND MANY OTHER IGNORANT THINGS".
Lighten up and I for one am interested in reading your comments and opinions just as I am reading other peoples opinions.

I thought the Phantom Draft was a fun excersise and will most likely be quite different from the real deal. Porthos was sensational in his efforts and did well as a proxy for three clubs - which would naturally of changed things as well.

Agreed, Southjoy.

You're right, kudos must be given to Porthos for doing three clubs. The four of us found it hard enough to do one club.

 

[the oggmonster]

Originally posted by Stevo
The purpose of the phantom draft was not to apply what rumours we've heard, it was for the supporters to make their own decision based on what they know of the players and their club.

Given that you have not provided any evidence for your claims - apart from the usual snide "we'll see on Saturday" - I will retain the right to say bollocks. Of course, we'll see on Satuday.

The problem with all this is that there are very few blokes who actually know what is going. There are many who read all these player profiles and phantom drafts and base their opinions on them rather than having any of their own thoughts.

 

[marcuz]

Originally posted by bulletproof
All will be revealed on sat afternoon, and when it is i vote they put on the Oggmonster in charge of this forum and sack that port power toss.

Why do i get the feeling bulletproof is Mrs Oggmonster

 

[marcuz]

The problem with all this is that there are very few blokes who actually know what is going. There are many who read all these player profiles and phantom drafts and base their opinions on them rather than having any of their own thoughts.

And im not one..Ive seen enough TAC cup footy over the last couple of years to make an honest assesment on most of these kids.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by the oggmonster
The problem with all this is that there are very few blokes who actually know what is going. There are many who read all these player profiles and phantom drafts and base their opinions on them rather than having any of their own thoughts.

I agree somewhat. I saw a fair few TAC matches this year, but all I know about players from other states, and quite a few of the Victorian players, is from other people's experience.

The problem is that we simply don't have the resources to know everything we should, which always makes an exercise such as this slightly frivolous.

But it was never intended to be extremely precise or serious.

 

[ThePope]

Originally posted by marcuz
And im not one..Ive seen enough TAC cup footy over the last couple of years to make an honest assesment on most of these kids.

But can you compare Dunn to Surjan? Or McLean to Burgess? Or Chaplin to Johnson? I'm guess that you can do so only by what you've read, not what you've seen.

I'm not having a go at you Marcuz, I just think anyone who critisizes anyone else's opinion in this sort of thing is either on an ego trip or just picking fights. Have a discussion, put up cases for or against players, but everyone should lay off the personal insults.

If someone reckons that they know exactly what's going to happen, let them think that... but did anyone here know that Schammer would last to 13 last year? Considering even Freo didn't think it would happen, how would any one, even someone very close to a club, have more than a rough idea on what's going to happen.
No one picked the brownlow three way tie and no one will know exactly what the 1st round picks will be... not even the recruiters.

We'll all find out in 4 days time... and then we can start arguing about the preseason and rookie drafts!

 

[Portia]

Actually, I'll be busy arguing that Player X was a steal at pick #15 and that pick #39 is a potential GUN.

I expect I'll also conclude that the Crows screwed up with pick #14 because James Fantasia is no good, and I'll probably question Carlton's decision to draft Player Y at #2.

 

[evo]

Weaver-I can't believe after all your research you've gone and picked the smallest dude in the draft with our all important #21.

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by evo
Weaver-I can't believe after all your research you've gone and picked the smallest dude in the draft with our all important #21.

Tim Schmidt is a best and fairest calibre centreman. He has a wonderful record at under 16 level and looks a very good option. I felt that he was too good to pass over for a run-of-the-mill bigman. Basically because I knew that Richmond would need to take lots of big blokes that would probably be duds, I wanted one good pick in the bag so that we would get at least one player out of the year. I was also confident that there were some big blokes late that would be OK.

After that it was all about big blokes. I favoured the guys who had played junior CHF over the pure defenders in most cases. Unfortunately most of the guys were Ben Harrison type winger / utilities more than a genuine KF. However the hope was that get 3-4 of them and hope one turns out OK.

Eriksen and Batson are both 200cm+ ruckmen. As Peter Street showed this year, even if you don't get much football from these raw bigmen, you can often on-trade them for a 2nd round pick in 3-4 years time which would be a good result from such late picks. Ottens will be first choice for 6-8 years and Stafford is good for 2 more so these kids have plenty of development time as 2nd - 3rd stringers (if they are good enough).

Archibald, Pleming, Taylor and Burke are all 190cm which gives us 4 utility talls, plus a preseason draft pick for another tall option. Those 4 guys are very mobile bigmen who can play in a variety of positions.

A senior winger in Koulouriotis and I have a soft spot for Cam Illett.

Koulouritiotis will play straight away. Schmidt will develop into a good midfielder in 3 years. Fingers crossed that one of the 6 bigmen is good and another handy. Really all we can realistically hope for.

 

[LondonCalling]

No Doug Scott or Matt Burns??

 

[evo]

Ok weaver,thanks for your well thought out answer.I just feel the pipsqueek is the last thing we need at Richmond. I've only seen these guys once each at the most,thats why I'm grilling you.

I'm interested in your view on a couple of what u describe as Harrisson like players thats you passed up that others seem to rate. ie Luke Peel,Callum Burgess,Michael Pettingrew

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by evo

I'm interested in your view on a couple of what u describe as Harrisson like players thats you passed up that others seem to rate. ie Luke Peel,Callum Burgess,Michael Pettingrew

Luke Peel at 187cm is a very good player but not a KP option more a flanker, similarly Burgess is 185cm and a midfielder. Pettigrew I think is a pure full-back, spoiling is his main assett.

The guys I went for are 190cm+ and so have some KP potential. They are also junior forwards so hopefully if they don't make the grade they can at least have the fall-back option of playing fullback.

I don't for one moment expect any of them to be taken by Richmond. Richmond's last picks will include old guys like Betheras, Ablett, Fletcher, O'Keefe, DePasquale ... all the guys we have at training.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

I totally agree with marcuz - Having watched a fair bit of underage footy this year I already had a lot more respect for the recruiters, but after last night you can double that.

We were just having a bit of fun, yet the number of times I changed my mind over that hour or so was amazing.

In reality if I was recruiting for Hawthorn I probably would have chosen Hall or Spencer at 25 - but with nothing on the line I decided to gamble on Stewart. In 5 years time this thread might make me look very silly or like a genius.

Delighted to get Rowe at 41 - I was targeting him all along, and I believe he will go earlier on Saturday.

Found pick 51 very tough. My original plan was Willoughby, and then either Herrington, Miller or Chester. However the need for height is probably too great so I decided to punt on Moore. I'll just have to take Chester and Kenna in the rookie draft.

Oggmaster - you are probably right, this draft will be nothing like Saturday. But neither will me my phantom draft, or Matt Burgan's, or anyones. It's a movable feast.

And if Dyson goes at 20 rather than 6, but in 5 years time is starring, who is correct then? It doesn't matter if you are pick 1 or 81, you have the same opportunity to make it.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
In reality if I was recruiting for Hawthorn I probably would have chosen Hall or Spencer at 25 - but with nothing on the line I decided to gamble on Stewart. In 5 years time this thread might make me look very silly or like a genius.

Let's hope it pans out that way on Saturday and Stewart falls to us. We were filthy with you when you picked him, even more filthy when Johnson went at 26, and if it were at all possible to be even more filthy, we were, when Spencer went at 27.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Stevo
Let's hope it pans out that way on Saturday and Stewart falls to us. We were filthy with you when you picked him, even more filthy when Johnson went at 26, and if it were at all possible to be even more filthy, we were, when Spencer went at 27.

It must be so frustrating on draft day when the player you want gets taken the pick before - be funny if a club just yelled "you barstards!"

BTW - Apparently the Knights resumed training yesterday and Stanton and Stewart both turned up to participate in the time trial. Stanton came 1st, Stewart finished a mile behind everyone else in last.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
It must be so frustrating on draft day when the player you want gets taken the pick before - be funny if a club just yelled "you barstards!"

At the 2000 draft when Collingwood picked Shane Wakelin at #50 (just before Port at #51), Joe the cameraman or whoever can be clearly heard saying "Thats stuffed Port up."

Is Stewart going to be another Josh Dicketts?

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
BTW - Apparently the Knights resumed training yesterday and Stanton and Stewart both turned up to participate in the time trial. Stanton came 1st, Stewart finished a mile behind everyone else in last.

That's the risk, I suppose.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by bulletproof
You should be concerned Marcuz if you think the Oggmonster is a moron, he plays a key role in the draft and recruiting at your club. He was actually responsible for the dons taking big bad bustling Courtney Johns ( i read his report at the time) still think he is a moron.

Thanks for the info Oggy.

Same Oggmonster who said that Daniel Motlop was "signed and sealed" for Essendon?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88855&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by the oggmonster
Motlop is sealed signed and delivered to the Dons. Bulletproof was spot on in the earlier thread in this regard. In fact, both brothers were very close to being trade to the dons last year given they were disheartened with their treatment. Apparantly the boys idolise Michael Long at Essendon, and given how much they know Sheeds loves the aboriginal boys, Daniel decided to approach the dons to arrange a trade. You will see this eventuate on day 4 of trade week mark my words.

It's hard to believe that someone working in recruiting for a club that is as professionally run as Essendon would allow someone to post "inside recruiting information" on an internet site.

By the way, there is an Essendon staff member that I know who does read BigFooty.....if Oggmonster really did work for Essendon in a recruiting capacity, I reckon Sheeds and co. would have sent you to the nearest unemployment office by now.

 

[bozza]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
BTW - Apparently the Knights resumed training yesterday and Stanton and Stewart both turned up to participate in the time trial. Stanton came 1st, Stewart finished a mile behind everyone else in last.

Any other results you know of Goalden?

 

[SpecialBruce]

Originally posted by DaveW


He won't be in the national draft apparently.

That's because he's ****.

 

[Murray]

Heath Shaw at 190 cms sh1t that's what I call a growth spurt. He was listed as 180 cm just last month.