Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[TheKing101]

Who did Silvagni let go of to bring in Shaw/Mullett/O'Shea? What did the latter group cost?

For starters boek is better than all those players

 

[Coona Blues]

They will not grant a priority pick at the top of the draft. It would be at the end of the first round.

In the current make it up as you go environment, anything is possible.

They have created the abomination that is free agency, benefitting the powerful clubs to maintain there positions
in the top half of the ladder. Rebuilding clubs have next to no option to attract top line trades with big offers.

In order to obtain middle of the road talent, struggling clubs are often forced to trade away their higher picks,
thus further complicating the issue. The competition in the top three quarters is more even than it has been
in a long time. They need to bring the bottom couple up to speed, not leave us, Gold Coast, Brisbane and
maybe St Kilda languishing. Maybe with the proviso it has to be traded for mature talent.

This would also assist the AFL's desire to keep the likes of GWS at the pointy end. At the moment they seem
doomed to long term mediocrity with wage commitment leaving them vulnerable to free agency raids in the
future. ie they may lose Shiel, but could possibly avert loss of Coniglio or Kelly and get a pick at the top of the
draft.

They remain concerned with the state of the game.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Sure you can make that argument- but I agree with the Club to the extent that fixing other things is more important than concentrating on asking for a priority pick.

Surely they can juggle more than one task at a time.

 

[Accidental genius]

Surely they can juggle more than one task at a time.

Seems decision was more political rather than an issue with filling in the application form.

 

[El Topo]

For starters boek is better than all those players

If the equation is delisting a guaranteed failure (Boek) to make room for a probable failure (Mullett) then SOS did the right thing. If Blaine's attitude is as poor as some suggest it's a no brainer.

 

[Malifice]

Incorrect. In order to obtain a priority pick the club must request one. Brisbane did it last year and got one.

Out of curiousity, do you have an authority for this?

Where is this stated to be the case?

 

[jezzajay]

For starters boek is better than all those players

I am personally happy he is no longer around...the anxiety within that would come about when he was mentioned was bad enough - let alone his attitude.
We still hold a number of players that creep me like that, I am personally hoping that they are gone at the end of this season for my own piece of mind - and the playing groups.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Incorrect. In order to obtain a priority pick the club must request one

Incorrect statement

 

[TheKing101]

If the equation is delisting a guaranteed failure (Boek) to make room for a probable failure (Mullett) then SOS did the right thing. If Blaine's attitude is as poor as some suggest it's a no brainer.

He was in no way a guaranteed failure though? Showed a lot towards the end of the year

 

[Nori]

If Carlton were getting smashed every week I'd be worried. The fact that they can match it with the best sides (undermanned as they are) suggests they have the potential to be a very good side.

However, it does seem they struggle with expectation. Every time they come up against a side they think they can beat their effort drops off 10% and they get smashed. When you look at their performances against the best sides it's actually pretty good.

We all know that young sides can be inconsistent. There's no need to panic imo.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I'm fairly confident the AFL will not just grant a priority pick to us.

So what? Deal with it and move on. A PP, or lack of one, isn't going to make or break the club.

 

[TheKing101]

I am personally happy he is no longer around...the anxiety within that would come about when he was mentioned was bad enough - let alone his attitude.
We still hold a number of players that creep me like that, I am personally hoping that they are gone at the end of this season for my own piece of mind - and the playing groups.

Which current players are you referring to?

 

[El Topo]

He was in no way a guaranteed failure though? Showed a lot towards the end of the year

Silvagni and 17 other list managers disagree

 

[TheKing101]

Silvagni and 17 other list managers disagree

Silvagni also thought Shaw and O’Shea were good pick ups so I wouldn’t hang my hat on that.

 

[2blue4u]

If the equation is delisting a guaranteed failure (Boek) to make room for a probable failure (Mullett) then SOS did the right thing. If Blaine's attitude is as poor as some suggest it's a no brainer.

Actually his attitude was not poor at all. Why would anyone with a poor attitude get dropped then go back to the VFL and pick up 30/40 possessions regularly . There is far more to the Boekhurst story that people either refuse to believe or just do not know. I actually thought he had a bit to offer and showed it in the Sydney and Hawks games of 2017. Seeing as how now we struggle for goals and polish in our team i thought he would of been worth another year. He was actually quicker over 20 meters than Pickett is. I think the boy just needed a fair go and some backing from certain people within the club.

 

[2blue4u]

Silvagni and 17 other list managers disagree

Actually Carlton promised Boek they would redraft him which is why he stayed on at the club and kept training. An hour before the rookie draft deadline the club rang him and said they were going to let him go. Did not even give him an opportunity to look elsewhere.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

He was in no way a guaranteed failure though? Showed a lot towards the end of the year

That's what some players do. Nothing through their contract then in the last 3 or 4 produce. He was no good. No point living in the past. It's the correct decision to let him go.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If Carlton were getting smashed every week I'd be worried. The fact that they can match it with the best sides (undermanned as they are) suggests they have the potential to be a very good side.

However, it does seem they struggle with expectation. Every time they come up against a side they think they can beat their effort drops off 10% and they get smashed. When you look at their performances against the best sides it's actually pretty good.

We all know that young sides can be inconsistent. There's no need to panic imo.

Sounds like tanking...


"Can't win this game? Give it your all, boys!"
"This one is winnable, against the side in 17th? Late withdrawal, injuries, lack of effort, absolute shellacking!"


I've been pretty positive about the club on the whole, but I'm reaching that point of frustration where I kinda just want to turn off the TV for the rest of the season. Having a 3 month old helps with that, but where I'd normally go out of my way to watch the game on my phone or keep an eye on the live score updates at the very least, I just kind quite drum up the motivation.

The hardest part about it is that, for the previous two years, the losses and inconsistency wasn't an issue. I certainly didn't think we'd be rocketing up the ladder this season, but we don't seem to be playing with the youthful energy that I'd come to look forward to each week.

 

[Kruezing]

If Carlton were getting smashed every week I'd be worried. The fact that they can match it with the best sides (undermanned as they are) suggests they have the potential to be a very good side.

However, it does seem they struggle with expectation. Every time they come up against a side they think they can beat their effort drops off 10% and they get smashed. When you look at their performances against the best sides it's actually pretty good.

We all know that young sides can be inconsistent. There's no need to panic imo.

Expectation based on what though... we’ve done nothing to justify any expectation whatsoever...

 

[JustaBattler]

Out of curiousity, do you have an authority for this?

Where is this stated to be the case?

see post #1744

 

[thedan29]

Silvagni also thought Shaw and O’Shea were good pick ups so I wouldn’t hang my hat on that.

To be absolutely fair, not all recruiters get it right, not all recruiters can tell whether players will make the jump from junior/state league to AFL... Matthew Wright admittedly down on input at the moment had been a fantastic pick up for nothing, Kerridge was a good pick up (correct me if I’m wrong but I think for nothing). These guys aren’t best 22 and aren’t future role players but I tell you what they make our VFL team a lot better and gives some of the young kids a chance to improve. The club has publicly stated they have recruited mature players to help fill gaps in certain age brackets of the team.. they never said they were going to be messiahs but blokes like Mullet, O’Shea aren’t best 22 but they give our VFL team a good boost... which allows an opportunity for the young kids to develop in a side that can get their hands on the footy and compete..

Our side has been battered with injury all year, we’re playing and have been forced to bring a lot of players back from injury underdone or with no preseason... and kids like Dow & O’Brien who in most cases would have been given time to develop in a forward pocket or flank have been thrust into full time spots in the Midfield alongside blokes who have been crippled by injury/no preseason ala Murph, Kreuzer, Kennedy and with the loss of Gibbs... not to mention rotations of Docherty, Williamson, Marchbank (who played more towards Centre ground in the JLT)

There’s a reason we are where we are... I don’t want a quick fix I’ve said it numerous times on here.. have some faith in this team and what they are building it’ll take another few years but you expect to show a bit more towards mid/end of next season!

 

[TheKing101]

That's what duds do. Nothing through their contract then in the last 3 or 4 produce. He was no go. No point living in the past. It's the correct decision to let him go.

That's what some players do. Nothing through their contract then in the last 3 or 4 produce. He was no good. No point living in the past. It's the correct decision to let him go.

i seen that sneaky edit

Look I agree that players always seem to have good games around contract time but I just think he showed more than a lot of our current players. Of course talent can only get you so far and hard work is more important. It seems like he lacked the work ethic so I can understand why someone like graham got a spot over him. I just think it would have been worth persisting with him for one more year. He never showed as much as he did in his last 3 games.

Anyway not point talking about it. Like you said it’s in the past and we have no control over it. Just need to look to the future and hope things can turn around quickly.

 

[JustaBattler]

Surely they can juggle more than one task at a time.

see Docherty's response to question on Sunday football clip posted today.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Sounds like tanking...

Probably wrong use of words imo

 

[HereComesJuddy]

i seen that sneaky edit

Look I agree that players always seem to have good games around contract time but I just think he showed more than a lot of our current players. Of course talent can only get you so far and hard work is more important. It seems like he lacked the work ethic so I can understand why someone like graham got a spot over him. I just think it would have been worth persisting with him for one more year. He never showed as much as he did in his last 3 games.

Anyway not point talking about it. Like you said it’s in the past and we have no control over it. Just need to look to the future and hope things can turn around quickly.

Things will turn. Not this year and we will again finish low next year. Its no quick fix. 7 years people