Bluemour Discussion Thread VI (cont. in Part VII)

[ferrisb]

Step 1) Trade Gibbs for pick 10
Step 2) Bring in Rocky as a FA

Result) Rocky = Gibbs output, with pick 10 picked up for free

Probably costs us a little extra salary. But we have spare cap and would happily spend that to 'buy' a shiny, new draft pick...

 

[Iamcarlton]

These guys along with Charlie Pickett will be a lot more mature and a lot more physically ready next year and they need to play. Cripps & Curnow are back. We also have Kerridge and are a real chance to get Kennedy & Balic (maybe Smith & Lang) who are ready to go. Is there also a Greenwood or Menegola type we can get as a rookie?

Id suggest they will be physically ready to run out games a little better yes . But besides Charlie and possibly Cunners they arent ready for the physicality of an inside role if Cripps went down again . Of which Cripps has played just 59 of a possible 88 games in navy blue . Yes the first season was a write off but last season was also significantly interrupted . So thats 2 of his first 4 season definately think the more bigger bodied inside Rockliff types we can bring in the better . Kennedy and Rockliff would be fantastic imo .

 

[Soapy V]

Id suggest they will be physically ready to run out games a little better yes . But besides Charlie and possibly Cunners they arent ready for the physicality of an inside role if Cripps went down again . Of which Cripps has played just 59 of a possible 88 games in navy blue . Yes the first season was a write off but last season was also significantly interrupted . So thats 2 of his first 4 season definately think the more bigger bodied inside Rockliff types we can bring in the better . Kennedy and Rockliff would be fantastic imo .

Is Rockliff really an inside type?

 

[Red Bull]

Step 1) Trade Gibbs for pick 10
Step 2) Bring in Rocky as a FA

Result) Rocky = Gibbs output, with pick 10 picked up for free

Probably costs us a little extra salary. But we have spare cap and would happily spend that to 'buy' a shiny, new draft pick...

3 and 10 for Kelly and Kennedy ?

In : Kelly , Kennedy , Rockliff
Out : Gibbs , pick 3

 

[majesticseacapt]

Is Rockliff really an inside type?

He's very much in the Gibbs mold, does his best work when he plays a bit of both and is not directly assigned to a role.

 

[ferrisb]

Is Rockliff really an inside type?

Higher % of contested possessions and more tackles per match than both Murph and Gibbs.

Not pure inside, but a strong body that can play inside/out.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Is Rockliff really an inside type?

Was leading the clearances by a fair way at the half way point of this season.

 

[BlueTongue]

This only matters if we are going to the draft with #3.

Would supporters be open to losing Gibbs, #3, 2018 1st and picking up Kelly, Stringer and Rockliff via FA?

Nope. Too much.

Gibbs = Adelaides 2017 1st & 2nd at least (Pick 17 & 35)
Also, It would only be enough to get Kelly here.
eg.
Pick 3 & 17 > GWS for Kelly
Pick 35 & Steak Knife Player > Brisbane for Rockliff

2018 1st Rounder too much for Stringer

 

[passmark]

Isn't Rockliff mates with Marchbanks family?

 

[BlueTongue]

I think the real question is do we really want to hear BT screaming "THAR PAAAACKAGE!" in our games

I promise I wouldn't ;-p

 

[BlueTongue]

Too many Rockliff fans here.

Not a fan but his stats & performance on game day don't lie. Would be stupid not to look at him.

 

[Sector 7G]

Isn't Rockliff mates with Marchbanks family?

Benalla connection
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/generous-blues-brisbane-connection/

 

[TooBlue14]

Nope. Too much.

Gibbs = Adelaides 2017 1st & 2nd at least (Pick 17 & 35)
Also, It would only be enough to get Kelly here.
eg.
Pick 3 & 17 > GWS for Kelly
Pick 35 & Steak Knife Player > Brisbane for Rockliff

2018 1st Rounder too much for Stringer

Rockliff is a FA. Therefore he's free. No need to give brisbane pick 35+.

 

[Betty_Blue76]

Posted in Blue Rumour thread and realise credibility is zero as a newb but I am very confident in the source:

Proposal is:

1. Carlton trade Bryce Gibbs to Crows for the pick they get for Lever (must be below 12). Most likely Dees pick 10.

Why? - best we will get and the view is Bryce asking to leave again and coming back isn't good for the group. Also part of a wider deal. Problem is if Pies get Lever for pick 6 Crows won't want to give this up without something back. However, we believe Lever wants the Dees.

2. Carlton acquire Rockliff for 2 years at $2m with an option for a third year at $400k. Because the option is conditional the AFL bases compensation on a guaranteed two years - so $1m per year figure. This triggers band 1 compensation for the Lions so they get pick 2. Other suitors are offering Rockliff max $700k, which is not enough to trigger band 1.

3. Carlton trades pick 3, pick 10 (or thereabouts - Crows been told must be pick below 12) from Bryce Gibbs and our third round pick for pick 1, pick 18 and Schache. Lions may also be interested in a player such as Byrne to sweeten the deal.

Why do this trade - helps with Kelly (will explain below), plus gets Rockliff in for support and gets Schache at a discount. Schache is viewed as suffering from being away from family and the belief is he can become a 40+ goal a year FF in Victoria. Lions don't want Rayner but the Suns rate him so won't slip to us at 3. GWS want him and want pick 1 to make sure they get him. Lions value Dow more highly so going from pick 1 to 2 is fine by them. Effectively swapping Schache and 18 for pick 10 and 38. Lions rate the top 10 highly so believe they can add another good mid at 10 (plus have Ports pick - view is 3 good mids to add to the mix).

We will not get Lynch from Gold Coast next year. He will most likely sign with them depending on the new coach and how things look in June next year. Pies have tabled a $1.5m 5 year deal and his family are massive Pie fans but looks more likely to stay at GC. Will not play for Carlton forget it. So we see Schache as a hedge against McKay not coming on. The bank is at least one of those two will become a gun.

4. Carlton trade pick 1 and pick 18 for Kelly, Kennedy and a salary dump.

Why? GWS wants Rayner and will only let Kelly go if they are guaranteed Rayner. They value pick 1 very highly. Kelly wants us the only spanner is a large offer from Essendon, but very likely to knock this back. Our whole strategy hinges on Kelly going to us. We believe this is 75% likely. The salary dump is a huge issue for GWS and they need the cap relief.

NET RESULT -

Out: pick 3, Gibbs, pick 38

In: Kelly, Rockliff, Kennedy, Schache

The age composition of our mids is lowered with Kelly/Kennedy and Rockliff a similar age to Gibbs. Schache is valuable insurance for a KPF.

We don't have a pick this year until the fourth round but will take 3 picks at the end of the draft and get some delisted free agents. With the investment in the last two drafts and the desire to trade heavily into the 2018 draft with 2019 picks, we don't see this as a huge issue. There is also scope for the Suns to offer up 2nd/3rd round picks for players.

This is the desired blueprint for the Blues and what SOS believes is realistic. There are other options (Stringer for 2018 2nd but dogs likely to say no even if we take a salary dump) and embracing trading Gibbs plus some others for top 40 picks.

 

[BlueTongue]

Rockliff is a FA. Therefore he's free. No need to give brisbane pick 35+.

Even Better, we get to keep Pick 35.

But Stringer is still not worth our 2018 1st rounder...

 

[HARKER]

Posted in Blue Rumour thread and realise credibility is zero as a newb but I am very confident in the source:

Proposal is:

1. Carlton trade Bryce Gibbs to Crows for the pick they get for Lever (must be below 12). Most likely Dees pick 10.

Why? - best we will get and the view is Bryce asking to leave again and coming back isn't good for the group. Also part of a wider deal. Problem is if Pies get Lever for pick 6 Crows won't want to give this up without something back. However, we believe Lever wants the Dees.

2. Carlton acquire Rockliff for 2 years at $2m with an option for a third year at $400k. Because the option is conditional the AFL bases compensation on a guaranteed two years - so $1m per year figure. This triggers band 1 compensation for the Lions so they get pick 2. Other suitors are offering Rockliff max $700k, which is not enough to trigger band 1.

3. Carlton trades pick 3, pick 10 (or thereabouts - Crows been told must be pick below 12) from Bryce Gibbs and our third round pick for pick 1, pick 18 and Schache. Lions may also be interested in a player such as Byrne to sweeten the deal.

Why do this trade - helps with Kelly (will explain below), plus gets Rockliff in for support and gets Schache at a discount. Schache is viewed as suffering from being away from family and the belief is he can become a 40+ goal a year FF in Victoria. Lions don't want Rayner but the Suns rate him so won't slip to us at 3. GWS want him and want pick 1 to make sure they get him. Lions value Dow more highly so going from pick 1 to 2 is fine by them. Effectively swapping Schache and 18 for pick 10 and 38. Lions rate the top 10 highly so believe they can add another good mid at 10 (plus have Ports pick - view is 3 good mids to add to the mix).

We will not get Lynch from Gold Coast next year. He will most likely sign with them depending on the new coach and how things look in June next year. Pies have tabled a $1.5m 5 year deal and his family are massive Pie fans but looks more likely to stay at GC. Will not play for Carlton forget it. So we see Schache as a hedge against McKay not coming on. The bank is at least one of those two will become a gun.

4. Carlton trade pick 1 and pick 18 for Kelly, Kennedy and a salary dump.

Why? GWS wants Rayner and will only let Kelly go if they are guaranteed Rayner. They value pick 1 very highly. Kelly wants us the only spanner is a large offer from Essendon, but very likely to knock this back. Our whole strategy hinges on Kelly going to us. We believe this is 75% likely. The salary dump is a huge issue for GWS and they need the cap relief.

NET RESULT -

Out: pick 3, Gibbs, pick 38

In: Kelly, Rockliff, Kennedy, Schache

The age composition of our mids is lowered with Kelly/Kennedy and Rockliff a similar age to Gibbs. Schache is valuable insurance for a KPF.

We don't have a pick this year until the fourth round but will take 3 picks at the end of the draft and get some delisted free agents. With the investment in the last two drafts and the desire to trade heavily into the 2018 draft with 2019 picks, we don't see this as a huge issue. There is also scope for the Suns to offer up 2nd/3rd round picks for players.

This is the desired blueprint for the Blues and what SOS believes is realistic. There are other options (Stringer for 2018 2nd but dogs likely to say no even if we take a salary dump) and embracing trading Gibbs plus some others for top 40 picks.

Looks very sound to me. Logic stacks up very well.

 

[Stamos]

Lions value Dow more highly so going from pick 1 to 2 is fine by them.

This bit doesn't make sense, Lions would have #3 in your proposal not 2, couldn't be guaranteed Dow?


Edit: Oops, missed the compo pick part

 

[HARKER]

This bit doesn't make sense, Lions would have #3 in your proposal not 2, couldn't be guaranteed Dow?

Compo pick?

BB's proposal is so very well detailed, it's almost too difficult to just make up, but if you have;
You get a Penn & Teller F.U. .......Hope you know what that means.

 

[Stamos]

Compo pick?

Oops, skipped over that bit

 

[LanceRomance]

Would love to take this to the Kelly thread but I have been thread banned

 

[LanceRomance]

Looks very sound to me. Logic stacks up very well.

Just not confident of getting Rockliff

 

[RudyBlue]

Would love to take this to the Kelly thread but I have been thread banned

Best we refrain from getting too cocky in the Kelly thread. Let's just see what happens.

Otherwise we're no better than those insufferable North campaigners

 

[HARKER]

Just not confident of getting Rockliff

Rockcliff, Stinger.....not the names we'd feel to be suitable fits for the group we're assembling and they may come to naught, but glad our guys are leaving no stone unturned.

Meet, greet and share some love and what may not come about today, may just be there tomorrow.

 

[Bic]

Very interesting reading.. Hard to question anything too unrealistic there at all... Thanks for sharing Betty_Blue76

 

[Sheephead]

Do you have to make a certain number of selections in each draft?

Where does this new scenario leave Balic and/or Lang?

May have to do trade backs?!?!