Bluemour Discussion Thread X

[Blue Bloods]

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[AndyLucimitis]

Apparently Setterfield knocked us back late last week.

Won't be at Blues in 2019

What a prick !

 

[HarryFlashman]

Someone remind me why we need McGovern when we have Curnow,McKay
DeKoning, Kerr and J and B Silvagni
We need mids mids mids and class ones
And some quality smaller forwards

Because talls are the most valuable commodity in modern football, hard questions about who you trade in the future given 3 players are CFC family, but you buy for 1 pick and sell for 2, its what keeps us at the pointy end in 4-5yrs time. McGovern would help development and is best 22 all day long
Reckon JSOS wont be a forward anyway, will rest forward but I'm tipping he'll be a mid/utility.
Agree entirely with the mids,mids,mids- they will becoming.
SOS will look like part Einstein part Nostradamus when he starts to sell players

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Could see Setterfield not wanting to join us. Let's be honest, we haven't played inspiring football this year and the Bombers have been very competitive since losing to us. The fact that he was a huge Bombers supporter also doesn't help our case.

 

[katmanblue]

Let it be known that I do not want roughhead at all.
Happy to have someone like a Mcveigh or even a david Mundy

So let it be written.
So let it be done.

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[Soapy V]

Not yet but there all young and most will be better than McGovern

SOS has done a great job with our list over the past 2-3 years. Now is about adding more young talent, mature bodies and building quality depth.

I rate McKay Charlie TDK Kerr highly but now they need to start competing for spots. Having depth and competition for spots will only help us go to the next level. I believe that's where we now sit. It's what all good clubs have.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Because talls are the most valuable commodity in modern football, hard questions about who you trade in the future given 3 players are CFC family, but you buy for 1 pick and sell for 2, its what keeps us at the pointy end in 4-5yrs time. McGovern would help development and is best 22 all day long
Reckon JSOS wont be a forward anyway, will rest forward but I'm tipping he'll be a mid/utility.
Agree entirely with the mids,mids,mids- they will becoming.
SOS will look like part Einstein part Nostradamus when he starts to sell players

Not really, talls were more valuable commodities in the past.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Apparently Setterfield knocked us back late last week.

Won't be at Blues in 2019

Fine by me we cant or shouldnt be taking any sort of risk with high picks and players coming off knee injuries .

 

[HarryFlashman]

Not really, talls were more valuable commodities in the past.

KPF & KPB cost u more than quality mids

 

[james Dean]

Someone remind me why we need McGovern when we have Curnow,McKay
DeKoning, Kerr and J and B Silvagni
We need mids mids mids and class ones
And some quality smaller forwards

Saying why would we chase McGovern when we have Jack Silvagni is like saying why would we chase Dylan Shiel when we have Ed Curnow

 

[kjr8]

You are right none of those players have played 50 games including McGovern.

Yet apparently all will be better than McGovern, even if most have shown less so far


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[HereComesJuddy]

Not really, talls were more valuable commodities in the past.

Still are imo

 

[Soapy V]

KPF & KPB cost u more than quality mids

Not these days.

 

[95blues]

Saying why would we chase McGovern when we have Jack Silvagni is like saying why would we chase Dylan Shiel when we have Ed Curnow

Kills me inside when i read about how awesome TDK, Kerr, Silvagni x 2 are better or will be better than established first 22 players on teams light years ahead of us.

SOS must be up all night with all the 1st round picks and All Australians he's being offered for our awesome key forward stocks.

 

[blueballs99]

Not these days.

Mids win you matches not just brownlows

 

[bluemahogany]

Wouldn't touch Brad Crouch at all, guy can not get out on the park, and when he has there's nothing eye catching.

 

[Gethelred]

Let's be honest jsos has struggled with the rigors of afl football this season ..if we are to kick on I just dont see a spot for him in the best 22 ..I hope he can prove me wrong because I like the guy ..his one of the nicest guys you will ever meet .

I'm pretty sure that, if we're honest, Jack is hardly alone there. Maybe a single player has gotten any form of continuity, but that'd be about it.

Jack's issues this year are overblown by the fact that he's played as a small forward, an attacking mid, a defensive mid, a small defender, and a tall defender, all without the benefit of having trained/being prepared for it. He's had to learn six/seven different patterns and systems, and most of the time it's been entirely due to a complete lack of other options.

What I'd want from him is, over this preseason, for him to duct-tape himself to Cripps/Ed and to do the running required to reach AFL midfielder levels of fitness, and to work with Cripps and our midfielder development coaches for better ways to get the ball and dispose when inside a stoppage situation, as well as spending considerable time in the gym to make him strong enough to break tackles.

He has the size and the scope to be very strong, and he absolutely tore Sydney apart in that first half against them. Maybe it's a one off, and he'll never get that high again or get to any kind of consistency, but we'd be remiss if we didn't try.

 

[Arr0w]

Because talls are the most valuable commodity in modern football, hard questions about who you trade in the future given 3 players are CFC family, but you buy for 1 pick and sell for 2, its what keeps us at the pointy end in 4-5yrs time. McGovern would help development and is best 22 all day long
Reckon JSOS wont be a forward anyway, will rest forward but I'm tipping he'll be a mid/utility.
Agree entirely with the mids,mids,mids- they will becoming.
SOS will look like part Einstein part Nostradamus when he starts to sell players

Talls still are the most valuable comodities

 

[Soapy V]

Mids win you matches not just brownlows

Look at the forward lines and line ups of Hawthorn Richmond Collingwood these days. Plus Melbourne on the weekend. Mobile sides are the go.

 

[Sector 7G]

Yet apparently all will be better than McGovern, even if most have shown less so far


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McGovern isnt as good as Curnow now and has 2 possessions a game on the McKáy and TDK'(small sample size)despite being 4 years older and playing in a better side. Pretty happy to back Harry in to have the better career. Too early to say on TDK

 

[blueblooded]

I get the feeling McGovern will be part of a deal that gets Adelaide pick 1. could Adelaide trade a crouch and McGovern plus pick 7 for pick1?

from the murmurings from those in the know it seems as though if the right deals came along we'd trade quite a number of our picks this year. I'm all for it!

 

[katmanblue]

If SOS did this I would personally start a sack SOS thread

Yeah that'll learn him!

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[Matty411]

McGovern isnt as good as Curnow now and has 2 possessions a game on the McKáy and TDK'(small sample size)despite being 4 years older and playing in a better side. Pretty happy to back Harry in to have the better career. Too early to say on TDK

I recall seeing Gov in the backline taking a few excellent contested marks late in Q4 for the Crows. Really think he's just a good all-round footballer so could play anywhere between the arcs and be our swingman, allowing Marchy, Weiters and our spine to settle. Kind of like Hendo was but better.

 

[Aphrodite]

I thought mcgovern was out of contract this year.

End of 2020.

 

[Blue__Balls]

McGovern worth Pick 16-20 in my book, given his contracted status.

So much hinges on where a priority pick falls though.

Ideally we want to retain Pick 1 or 2 for Walsh.

Picks = 1, 3, 26, 27
- Trade 3 for McGovern, 10 and 21. Do Adelaide do that for Rankine?

Picks = 1, 2, 26, 27
- Trade 2 for McGovern, 10 and 16. Do Adelaide do that for Lukosius?

Picks = 1, 10, 26, 27
- Trade 26 and 27 for McGovern and knives, let Adelaide on-trade those as best they can?