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Bluemour Discussion Thread XV - Facts Not Welcome

Discussion in 'Carlton' started by Blue Bloods, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. mrjones

    mrjones Team Captain

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    What if I told you I'm moving in. As a Sponge.
     

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  2. HyphensBack

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    I tend to agree with the sentiment but with a couple of variations......
    I would prefer an arrogant small forward who can kick goals from anywhere (flog not so much and everyone only puts up with "hungry" if they can kick em)
     
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  3. La Dispute

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    I’ve seen this comparison crop up a few times and I just don’t see it.

    That trade was more about bringing Tyson to the club with the added bonus of retaining a first round draft selection. Tyson showed glimpses at GWS, but wasn’t seen as a future star. He was however a former top pick so at worst he’d be a very solid contributor in a rebuilding team.

    What we’re proposing is leveraging Gold Coast’s need for a surefire gun who’s less likely to request a trade home after his first contract. The top end of this draft is reasonably even, with so many differing options for the first few picks, and all would add a different component to our team.

    As I’ve said ad nauseum it’s remarkable how bullish some are about taking Walsh when he’s got several players ahead of him for talent in a strong draft pool. Yes the intangibles are good, but they shouldn’t narrow our line of thinking with so many potential gun players comprising the top end of this draft.

    Rankine has Top 5 league player all over him if a club can bring out his potential.
     
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  4. Blue and Blue

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    With luck ferris will send round the spare lassie to apply the lotion...then I will have scarlett fever.....
     
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  5. Metalcrusher

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    Not enough flogness in this thread.
     
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  6. bluebrew

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    A Koenigsegg please ...
     
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  7. Arr0w

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    Could we stop using that comparison, Tyson was not in that draft
     
  8. I bleed Blue

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    Pick 1 for 3 and 6?

    If we were offered that we should take it.

    Lets go back the last 15 years and have a look at pick 1 vs pick 3&6

    2017: Rayner vs Dow & Stephenson
    2016: McGrath vs Mcluggage & SPS
    2015: Weitering vs Mills (academy pick.. Oliver was pick 4) & Francis
    2014: McCartin vs A.Brayshaw & Marchbank
    2013: Boyd vs Billings & Scharenburg
    2012: Whitfield vs Plowman & Mcrae
    2011: Patten vs Tyson & Wingard
    2010: D.Swallow vs Sam Day & Conca
    2009: Scully vs D.Martin & Rohan
    2008: Watts vs S.Hill & Yarra
    2007: Kruezer vs masten & Myers
    2006: Gibbs vs Hansen & Thorp
    2005: Murphy vs X.ellis & Dowler
    2004: Deledio vs Griffen & T.Williams
    2003: Cooney vs Sylvia & Kepler Bradley


    To me picks 3&6 combined win in most years.

    Pick 1 wins in maybe 2003, 2005, 2006.

    Also none of the above pick 1s turned out to be the best of their draft class (jury out on a the more recent years)

    The deal is offered we take it and going off history we should win.
     
  9. thylacine60

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    shutup though.......
     
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  10. PrinceCharles

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    Only liked this post because it's you.

    Except when it comes to Tom Hawkins...
     
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  11. thylacine60

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    can't stand you but like your post so can't like...........
     
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  12. mediumsizered

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    Interesting? I thought the tone of the conversation turned gelid myself.
     
  13. The Old Dark Navy's

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    So you posted to rectify the imbalance?
     
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    This guy...? ;)

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  15. slashin_velvet

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    Interestingly, when we have had pick 1, it's been better than 3&6 (excluding weeters draft as it's too early to make a call).
     
  16. Kramer1

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    I remember when Tom Langdon had top 5 league player all over him...

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  17. cfc4life

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    The likelihood of getting Kelly and Coniglio is about 0.001%. If we manage to get one it would be amazing, but based on actual list assets it looks like this.

    Cripps
    Dow- a kid
    Fisher- yep
    Murphy- gone in a year or so
    SPS- yep
    LOB- also a kid
    Setterfield- played 2 games, only potential to go off of
    Kennedy- if he can get on the park, great addition

    That's an incredibly thin midfield.

    If we weren't crying out for a gun mid I'd be more than happy to do the trade.
     
  18. Limestone

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    Interesting, but I’m glad we didn’t do it in 2005/6/7.
     
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  19. SkyhorseTamer

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    Yes but I’m so cautious of this. Rarely the most talented kid in the draft is the best, especially the ones that play that goal kicking and exciting role... Wingard, j Martin, billings, I’m sure there are others, but this is only a quick discussion point being put forward. I’m probably more wary of rankine than most. He looks incredible in spots but consistency is the key to success and he’s just not consistent at all. I cant tell if his attitude will translate to the Afl, it’s much easier to see Smith and Walsh’s work ethic and attitude translate to long careers.

    2 questions that are important when evaluating talent, Ive heard scouts across multiple sports use this.

    How does he handle losing? Does he sulk, does he get back up, what’s his response to a set back like a serious injury etc etc.

    How does he handle winning? Does it go to his head etc.

    I’m not confident on those two answers for rankine. I am for Walsh and Smith.
     
  20. SkyhorseTamer

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    Went for a ride in one. Holy ******* shit balls.
     
  21. The Old Dark Navy's

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    True. It is thin especially if Setterfield doesn't come on, but you've downplayed Dow and O'Brien because they are kids to advocate for getting someone a year younger.
     
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  22. La Dispute

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    You can add Petracca and DeGoey into that group.

    I’d be happy to grab one of these types in addition to a safer selection in Smith, who I rate higher than Walsh anyway.
     
  23. Lace_Out

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    How is Smith a safer option to Walsh who has clearly been more consistent and won almost everything?
     
  24. La Dispute

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    Walsh is only a marginally safer selection IMO. Both project to be good AFL footballers with very little risk attached. Given this, we can opt for a riskier selection with the second pick.
     
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  25. cfc4life

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    I was moreso saying they're kids to show that we don't have a front line midfield, I don't want to have to rely on them in their second and third years to lead the team. I guess if we actually picked up some experienced mids in the trade period I would be more open to trading pick 1.
     
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