Moved Thread Blues mascot 'Captain Carlton' sacked after walking out of Bar Mitzvah and comments about Zionists.

[GWT6]

As shit as the genocidal Zionist land thieves are, I just assumed he walked out because the dodgy money wasn't going to Chris Judd.

 

[PieBeast]

Yes but our mascot remains employed.

Good on him

 

[PieBeast]

Perhaps Captain Bluey was more worried about mutilation and organ theft, than he was about apartheid and genocide?

Hopefully if someone interviews him, we might get his views on Chyna!

Quoting a World renowned hate website Mondoweiss, as a credible source, off topic and purely for point scoring purposes is next level.

Would never doubt your intentions being pure as driven snow and how you simply care about the plight of Palestinian people...

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Quoting a World renowned hate website Mondoweiss, as a credible source, off topic and purely for point scoring purposes is next level.

Would never doubt your intentions being pure as driven snow and how you simply care about the plight of Palestinian people...

It's interesting that you ignored all the references to Uyghurs in your quest for off topic point scoring credibility.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Would never doubt your intentions being pure as driven snow and how you simply care about the plight of Palestinian people...

That's a bit rich coming from you

Good on him

 

[Hydatina Physis]

It warms my cockles to see so many good honest Australians holding up their metaphorical riot shields to block the view of the world's camera while Israel conducts perfectly legal and moral operations.

 

[Carn The Berries]

So then donating aid to Gaza is like giving money straight to Hamas terorrists? Hope you never gave a dollar or you’d be arrested for terorrism.

See how dumb that is?

If you want to believe donating money to innocent civilians is the same as supporting soldiers then that's on you...

But it's a terrible take...

 

[Number37]

Captain Carlton is a hero.

 

[Harlott]

Don’t Carlton have some serious Zionist heavy hitting benefactors? Part of the reason this was done so swiftly?

 

[Scotland]

Are you conflating all Jewish people with the um, political ideology of zionism?

Yes? No?

The recent surge in use of Zionism as a pejorative doesn't interest me. People spend an awful lot of time focusing on a movement from 100 years ago. Unless your position is "Israel should not exist" then being "anti-Zionist" is meaningless.

 

[Scotland]

Don’t Carlton have some serious Zionist heavy hitting benefactors? Part of the reason this was done so swiftly?

The late Richard Pratt for one. Graham Smorgon also.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Don’t Carlton have some serious Zionist heavy hitting benefactors? Part of the reason this was done so swiftly?

Leibler’s name was mentioned in the article

 

[Harlott]

The late Richard Pratt for one. Graham Smorgon also.

Is his wife still on the board?

 

[Scotland]

Is his wife still on the board?

No idea. Anything that happens at board level at Carlton and Essendon I just assume is a mixture of nepotism and factional infighting.

 

[blue boy]

If the Zionist state dismantled itself on October 6th then 60,000 fewer Palestinians would be dead. We can both frame things in silly ways and ignore the reality of the situation.

The problem here is that your point is predicated on the notion that Hamas is the cause of the conflict. Hamas is the symptom, not the cause. Hamas was formed as a resistance movement to Zionist occupation.

What do you think happens to people when they're oppressed, subjugated, dehumanised? They resist. When a group is under brutal occupation, they are entitled under international law to resist their occupation.

Unfortunately, when people look to resistance groups under these circumstances, it's the most violent extreme susbset of society which will gain the most legitimacy. This is a simple reality, and no group of humans would be any different.

Hamas was created 20 years after Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. Israel had an opportunity after taking the lands in the six-day war, to broker peace by helping to facilitate a Palestinian state.

Okay, so I'm a realist and I know that is simply fantasy. But, the equation then becomes simple. Without a legitimate pathway to self determination, violence and resistance is the only inevitable outcome.

October 7th was sadly an inevitable outcome. An outcome of an occupation which has spanned 20 years longer than Hamas' creation. Think about that for a minute.

 

[blue boy]

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You sit in australia, nevee a hard day in your life, with views developed from wikipedia.

Israel has had to have tougher security measures over the years because the PLO and then hamas blew up buses and killed 30 at a time in restaraunts on the beach. Arafat rejected multiple chances of 2 state solution, then launched intifadas and blew up buses. Literally look up list of terrorist attacks in israel. You will see a declining trend because israel had to have tougher security for obvious reasons. If my neighbour was trying to harm my family every night, i would try control their space, and mine to prevent it.

It actually goes like this:

‘palistinians’ reject israels right to exist and reject 8 2 state solution offers->>>>>>blow up restaraunts and buses>>>>>>israel put in place more security measures->>>>>>>people claim occupation.

 

[Carn The Berries]

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You sit in australia, nevee a hard day in your life, with views developed from wikipedia.

Israel has had to have tougher security measures over the years because the PLO and then hamas blew up buses and killed 30 at a time in restaraunts on the beach. Arafat rejected multiple chances of 2 state solution, then launched intifadas and blew up buses. Literally look up list of terrorist attacks in israel. You will see a declining trend because israel had to have tougher security for obvious reasons. If my neighbour was trying to harm my family every night, i would try control their space, and mine to prevent it.

It actually goes like this:

‘palistinians’ reject israels right to exist and reject 8 2 state solution offers->>>>>>blow up restaraunts and buses>>>>>>israel put in place more security measures->>>>>>>people claim occupation.

You left out the bit about illegal occupation of the West Bank... Something the Israeli government is now seeking to legislate...

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You sit in australia, nevee a hard day in your life, with views developed from wikipedia.

Israel has had to have tougher security measures over the years because the PLO and then hamas blew up buses and killed 30 at a time in restaraunts on the beach. Arafat rejected multiple chances of 2 state solution, then launched intifadas and blew up buses. Literally look up list of terrorist attacks in israel. You will see a declining trend because israel had to have tougher security for obvious reasons. If my neighbour was trying to harm my family every night, i would try control their space, and mine to prevent it.

It actually goes like this:

‘palistinians’ reject israels right to exist and reject 8 2 state solution offers->>>>>>blow up restaraunts and buses>>>>>>israel put in place more security measures->>>>>>>people claim occupation.

Nice rant, but the numbers tell a different story

 

[RCAB]

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You sit in australia, nevee a hard day in your life, with views developed from wikipedia.

Who do you think you’re arguing with here?

You’ve been to Israel, have you?

Your post reads like someone who skimmed the “Israel–Palestine conflict” section on Wikipedia and decided to debate it.

I especially liked your line:
“Literally look up list of terrorist attacks in Israel.”

You should. You might be surprised where the majority of terrorism in Palestine actually began... and who was doing it..

 

[The Unforgiven]

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You sit in australia, nevee a hard day in your life, with views developed from wikipedia.

Israel has had to have tougher security measures over the years because the PLO and then hamas blew up buses and killed 30 at a time in restaraunts on the beach. Arafat rejected multiple chances of 2 state solution, then launched intifadas and blew up buses. Literally look up list of terrorist attacks in israel. You will see a declining trend because israel had to have tougher security for obvious reasons. If my neighbour was trying to harm my family every night, i would try control their space, and mine to prevent it.

It actually goes like this:

‘palistinians’ reject israels right to exist and reject 8 2 state solution offers->>>>>>blow up restaraunts and buses>>>>>>israel put in place more security measures->>>>>>>people claim occupation.

"If my neighbour...."

What if your neighbour stole most of your house, your country, your land?

Even David Ben-Gurion said that exactly what's happened wasn't just inevitable, but logical.

"I don't understand your optimism. Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."

- David Ben-Gurion

 

[Scotland]

Your post reads like someone who skimmed the “Israel–Palestine conflict” section on Wikipedia and decided to debate it.

Do you think the average Naarm settler protesting about it is any more informed than this?

I've seen people with t-shirts with the outline of 'Palestine' (i.e. the territory of Israel, West Bank, Gaza as a contiguous entity) shaded with the colours of the Palestinian flag saying that Israel has a right to exist, and clarifying that they aren't antisemitic but are anti-Zionist. Cool good luck with that.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Do you think the average Naarm settler protesting about it is any more informed than this?

I've seen people with t-shirts with the outline of 'Palestine' (i.e. the territory of Israel, West Bank, Gaza as a contiguous entity) shaded with the colours of the Palestinian flag saying that Israel has a right to exist, and clarifying that they aren't antisemitic but are anti-Zionist. Cool good luck with that.

Are anti-zionist jews antisemitic as well?

 

[Scotland]

Are anti-zionist jews antisemitic as well?

Sure why not?

There are Jews. And there are Israeli Jews. And there are non Israeli Jews. And there are Jews that support Israel's right to exist. And there are Jews that don't. And there are Jews that support their current govt. And there are Jews that don't. And on top of that there are non Jews that have a whole range of opinions.

Do you think you can support a two state solution and be anti-Zionist?

 

[DaicosDisciple35]

If you want to believe donating money to innocent civilians is the same as supporting soldiers then that's on you...

But it's a terrible take...

People are forced into Hamas and get injured in war. If you don’t think aid to Gaza helps people who fought in Hamas brigades you’re wilfully ignorant.

Doubly so when you criticise people donating to Israeli charities saying they are supporting the idf considering It’s actually much harder to ensure your donation to Gaza stays out of Hamas’ hands than to make sure a donation in Israel is never seen by the government or army.

I get you have righteous anger here and think anyone who doesn’t blindly hate Israel is a paid shill or something but you really just seem to be parroting things you’ve seen online a million times and not thinking for yourself.

 

[DaicosDisciple35]

It is reported the IDF actually killed a sizeable portion of those ~1,100 people killed on October 7 2023 by employing the Hannibal Directive. Deaths are still deaths, but the death toll would likely have been significantly lower if they didn’t do that.

Yes, October 7 was the excuse the Israeli government used to kill over 70,000 Palestinians. However, that’s surface-level analysis because it is not the ultimate reason. Even Hamas capturing hostages isn’t the ultimate reason.

The ultimate reason is that they want Gaza. That’s it. They want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians to assume full control over Gaza and the West Bank. They want to make it like the rest of the region - primarily inhabited by Ashkenazi Jews. They’ve expressed as much to the point you really can’t attribute the death toll to October 7 anymore. If it wasn’t October 7, then they’d find another way to achieve this result.

Like them or hate them, Hamas is just not the primary cause of this. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have seen ~1,000 Palestinians killed since October 7 2023 given Hamas doesn’t operate there. That death toll is almost comparable to the one Israelis suffered in the same time period. Even now, the IDF have already killed close to 100 Palestinians since the so-called ceasefire and were caught covertly supporting Palestinian militia opposing Hamas, so why do that if it’s only about hostages or October 7? Doesn’t make sense.

Put down the pipe mate.

You can criticise Israel and hate bibi without baseless conspiracy theories the army murdred its own population to justify an invasion.

This is insane brain rot that is basically the same as saying bush did 9/11. Insane anyone would take this seriously.