Blues Quick Small Fwds...

[rofltown]

why are people saying we'll miss the finals again

we made them last year :s

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Muuullttiiii-quoooootttteee!!!!

 

[Quicky]

I usually try to avoid them.....

 

[Nardz]

the over confidence from both sets of supporters in this thread is ridiculous.

im quietly confident if we perform well we will win - but that said i'm not necessarily confident we will perform well.. anything can happen.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

You dont have to worry about who to play on Yarran. He's shit, we should have taken Rich

 

[hellfire]

My post was in reference to hellfire calling black flag a flog for stating we can win man vs man.

That's not why I called him Blag Flog.

I called him Black Flog because he is a flog, and I only needed to change one letter in his name. Hence, Black Flog.

Understand flog_756?

Just joking.

 

[hellfire]

the over confidence from both sets of supporters in this thread is ridiculous.

im quietly confident if we perform well we will win - but that said i'm not necessarily confident we will perform well.. anything can happen.

I'm not over-confident, it's because we're playing Carlton, I'm just stirring the pot.

 

[DoubleO7]

My post was in reference to hellfire calling black flag a flog for stating we can win man vs man.

If you treat the Polls Board as an extension of Bay 13, and then deny it, you're a flog.

 

[Zahki]

You dont have to worry about who to play on Yarran. He's shit, we should have taken Rich

Glad you can finally admit it now, that spud is just terrible.

 

[jakson68]

... and Carlton has beaten Collingwood in 3 of the last 4.

Yes, Fev did make a difference in 2 of those games, but if you look at the title of this thread i think the point is that the Blues have a new look, multi-dimensional forward line that appears dangerous, effectively replacing Fev (for what it's worth, i'll take a multi-dimensional forward line any day over a forward line with one exceptional forward, it's much harder for the opposition to counter).

As for a team being decimated with injury, sure that's a factor but are you going to hang your hat on that as the sole reason why Carlton won that game, it was a very convincing victory? Being gracious in defeat is often viewed as a positive.

As for this coming game the Pies are in better form than the Cats. Your running has been impressive this year, the Pies are a tough, hard outfit, who apply great pressure on the opposition.

The Pies should go in as favourites, the question for the teams are:

• Can the Pies stop the Blues midfield and the small forwards who have done well the last two weeks?
• Can the Blues stop the Pies continuous pressure and run out of the backline and a strong running midfield?

Good post, I have always said Carlton getting rid of Fev was a good thing as it makes them less predictable. In saying that I think our defence is very underated, they know how to cover each other and shut the forwards down. The game will be won in the midfield, Carlton have some real stars but we are alot closer now with the improvment of some kids ie: Beams, Sidebottom and Wellingham. Throw in our midfield rotations like Dids, Leon, Swan, Pendles, Ball ect and all of a sudden we look damn impressive.
Will be a cracking game and should let us know where both teams are really at by the end.

 

[NAUGHT5]

Collingwood play their best - they win.

Carlton play their best - they win.

Cant remember the last time both sides played at their best against each other, and it more than likely wont happen Sunday.

 

[The Exorcist]

Good post, I have always said Carlton getting rid of Fev was a good thing as it makes them less predictable. In saying that I think our defence is very underated, they know how to cover each other and shut the forwards down. The game will be won in the midfield, Carlton have some real stars but we are alot closer now with the improvment of some kids ie: Beams, Sidebottom and Wellingham. Throw in our midfield rotations like Dids, Leon, Swan, Pendles, Ball ect and all of a sudden we look damn impressive.
Will be a cracking game and should let us know where both teams are really at by the end.

Do rate Big H highly, also Heater Shaw and your captain do provide great run. Watching the Geelong game, the key thing will be whether you crowd the Carlton forward line - Yarran and Garlett are super quick and very deceptive, however they like room to work in (although Yarran doesn't need much room). Betts isn't as quick, but he's capable of working in confined spaces. The again, you've got some forwards who are also dangerous, ie. Davis, Medhurst (on his day), Thomas.

And at day's end, crowding the opposition's forward line depends on the midfield, as you pointed out, which means that will be where the game is won. One thing that concerns me as a Blues supporter was the Blues did look tired in the second half against Geelong, whereas your game against the Bombers was more like a training run.

 

[HFF]

Collingwood don't need to "crowd" the Carlton forward line to stop the Blues smalls.

Collingwood defence is very good at going 1-on-1 and beating their direct opponent. In fact, they are all comfortable playing this way. i.e. Maxwell, Harry, Shaw, Toovey even Reid and Brown (moreso Brown). Space or not, the Collingwood backline understands that it is priority to DEFEND first, attack second. This is where it is completely different to the Geelong defence which (for good reason, such has been their dominance) don't pay as much respect because they back their teammates up the ground to get the job done. Collingwood's accountability across the ground is one of the best in the comp, whereas Carlton are renowned for being the "one-way brigade".

Pies won't go in underestimating the Blues, however, it really does feel like Collingwood has turned the corner somewhat in that they can play below their best and still get a result, whereas the Blues need to bring their A game otherwise it could get messy.

 

[spartan-magpie]

Collingwood play their best - they win, easily.

Carlton play their best - they have a reasonable chance if winning - provided collingwood is not 'on'.

Cant remember the last time both sides played at their best against each other, and it more than likely wont happen Sunday.

edited for accuracy.

 

[Zahki]

Some interesting stats I thought I'd share

* Collingwood has had more scoring shots than the opposition in all 5 games so far this year.

* Carlton have won 3 games, all of them with a score of over 100 points.

* No team has scored 100 points or more against Collingwood this season.

 

[sunnyTEE]

So they had 3 small fwds that kicked 7 goals between them and it's like the second coming of jesus?

Didak, Leon, Medhurst and Dick having been doing this for ages and I'm not dropping my pants and having a tug about it.

Bunch of front running, down hill skiing squibs, the lot of them.

 

[Nardz]

another stat i found interesting....

from memory - in the past when carlton has beaten us they've always had a good start

in our 5 games we've conceded a total of 8 goals in the first quarter - 4 of those were against melbourne.

lets hope our good starts continue..

 

[Dylz48]

Couldn't care less about there small forwards they had one good game together and they are now being talked up to be the best well our smalls are vastly superior cant wait to give them the reality check they deserve.

 

[Darkdayz]

three small quick forwards are good and all, but you do realise the collingwood backline holds some of the games best readers of the play. Between Reid, Maxy, Heater and Harry, bombing the ball in is only going to lead to it flying back over your head.

Carlton's lack of talls up forwards is going to be its major downfall here. You cant do what you did against the cats with us. Our backlines ability to peel off and mark deep is at the very pointy end of the league.

Not that i'm saying your fwd's are crap or anything to that regard. I just find it ironic that some fans i have spoken to keep saying 1 on 1 your forwards would beat their opponents, So not true, teams avoid playing pies players 1 on 1 because we are so good at zoning off, yea we get caught out at times but most of the time we will win the contest.

Oh and however dangerous your young trio is at our end we have the best, simple fact, inconsistent as they are, they only need a matter of minutes to light up and it on again. Mind you they usually dont light up often but against your mob i think someone will, i mean between the 4 or 5 of them im sure someone will pull their finger out.

 

[KissStephanie]

Muuullttiiii-quoooootttteee!!!!

The multi-quote option is great. That's why it's there.

Collingwood play their best - they win.

I agree.

Carlton play their best - they win.

I disagree. I think Carlton could play their best, or close to it, and still lose if Collingwood plays well too. For Carlton to win, Collingwood will have to play poorly.

Cant remember the last time both sides played at their best against each other, and it more than likely wont happen Sunday.

Well I can't remember the last time that both teams were in good form prior to playing each other. They are this time though, so therefore it's possible that both teams play well, and if that happens, then Collingwood will win.

 

[mattys123]

Collingwood play their best - they win.

Carlton play their best - they win.

Cant remember the last time both sides played at their best against each other, and it more than likely wont happen Sunday.

OMG, somebody slap me, I actually agree with a Carlton supporter.

Honestly, if either side plays it's absolute best this week, they will win, but that is so unlikely to happen.

Either sides best includes both it's best offensive and defensive effort.

If Carlton come out and play their absolute best, shutting down our run off half back as they will plan to, and at least matching us in the clearances they will most likely win.

Likewise Collingwood, whose main focus this week will be clearances and contested possessions around the clearance contests.

Yes, if either side plays their best they will win, but both want, because to put it simply, neither side is playing Richmond.

 

[Syphoncom]

I'm not exactly finding what's groundbreaking here. Someone says:

"If we play our best we'll win. Vice versa".

Well, If Geelong didn't play like they were shtfaced and the Blues didn't play one of their top 5 games this decade, they would've lost.

I really think it's stating the obvious.

I think to be a bit more relevant, it'd be better to say:

We have a ~70% liklihood of playing to a standard that will almost guarantee us a win.
Carlton have a ~10% liklihood of doing the same.

Reason being, Carlton would need to play so unbelievably well coupled with the fact we would need to play poorly for a solid 3 quarters to be out of the game. Geelong played 4 poor quarters last week and still only lost by a few kicks really.

If we play well, the odds of Carlton beating us are so low... it's not gonna happen.

Even against Melbourne I was fairly hesitant to say we'd win solidly. Same thing happens in the family and always has; getting confident is always a bad thing, especially growing up with the Colliwobbles But I must say, I haven't been more confident of beating an in-form side like Carlton this week since some 02-03 games.

 

[davis_756]

three small quick forwards are good and all, but you do realise the collingwood backline holds some of the games best readers of the play. Between Reid, Maxy, Heater and Harry, bombing the ball in is only going to lead to it flying back over your head.

Carlton's lack of talls up forwards is going to be its major downfall here. You cant do what you did against the cats with us. Our backlines ability to peel off and mark deep is at the very pointy end of the league.

Not that i'm saying your fwd's are crap or anything to that regard. I just find it ironic that some fans i have spoken to keep saying 1 on 1 your forwards would beat their opponents, So not true, teams avoid playing pies players 1 on 1 because we are so good at zoning off, yea we get caught out at times but most of the time we will win the contest.

Oh and however dangerous your young trio is at our end we have the best, simple fact, inconsistent as they are, they only need a matter of minutes to light up and it on again. Mind you they usually dont light up often but against your mob i think someone will, i mean between the 4 or 5 of them im sure someone will pull their finger out.

Beware the fool who thinks we will just bomb it in long, we are far more likely to kick grubbers into the 50 and use our smalls superior speed then bomb it in.

The improvement from our side has been the ability to hold the ball up and wait for a target to appear rather then just bomb it long to Fev. We lost a few games early still bombing it in but vs Adelaide & Geelong that hasn't happened.

It has taken time but we are gradually improving our forward line without fev, I expect it to improve again this week and for the rest of the year.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Syphoncom, we've only played 5 games this decade...

I daresay you didn't watch the Monday game too intently.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

So they had 3 small fwds that kicked 7 goals between them and it's like the second coming of jesus?

Didak, Leon, Medhurst and Dick having been doing this for ages and I'm not dropping my pants and having a tug about it.

Bunch of front running, down hill skiing squibs, the lot of them.

Come on Sunny, tell me you didnt get even a little bit firm watching the 3 amigos on Monday.