News Brad Crouch to Saints (STK make offer; Band 3, ADL to match?)

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DJ75 said:
That is still a terrible deal.

Pick 15 is likely to actually be about 22 by the time it is done. St Kilda likely to be top 6 in 2021, so again the pick will end up around 20.

No way do I take that if I'm the Crows.

Seriously, unless it is top 10 picks at the worst, we just match and keep him. Easy.
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This doesn’t matter though, they’re still going to get to pick the player they wanted to at that pick number anyway.
 
ltdamn said:
No, I'm being serious, I have not had any insight into his year whatsoever including scratch matches. You and the other poster seem to be more up to speed on his situation, and I'm curious to know how far away he would be specifically, and whether he'd be able to get a game next year.
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An inside mid who didn't dominate underage footy and was taken in the backend of the draft is more likely to not make it than make it.

It's not impossible for him, but you'd have to assume that the odds are stacked against him.
 

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Cal Toomey saying compo picks should start after pick 10, as the difference in sliding back from 3 to 4 is very significant...strange, I didn't hear him talk like this last year when we were moved back from 3 to 4 when the GC didn't lose a player but got pick 2 just for being rubbish.
 
Amacca 23 said:
Understand but wages are going down so that amount needs to drop also so id say 700-750k
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Not for this purpose they're not. Brad's St Kilda contract will be based against the full TPP and it will be measured against the player's contracts lodged with the AFL. It will not be measured against the agreed covid reductions.
 
Thetrader15 said:
Cal Toomey saying compo picks should start after pick 10, as the difference in sliding back from 3 to 4 is very significant...strange, I didn't hear him talk like this last year when we were moved back from 3 to 4 when the GC didn't lose a player but got pick 2 just for being rubbish.
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Yep. Absolute joke the way these journalists are behaving
 
How is that even legal if they are reducing wages but measuring on pre covid wages a lawyer would have a field day
 
A thought. If band 1 is off the table then as a club we have to match so St Kilda don't get a free hit and we cop a sh1t pick for our best mid.

So I think we have to say as a non-negotiable that we get pick 15 and their 2021 2nd. Now maybe we give back a future 4th or 5th rounder but we have to AT LEAST get those 2 picks from the saints.

Then I would be looking to trade 20 & 29 with the dogs for pick 13

The next deal I would try to do is package picks 8 & 13 to get back into the top 5 - maybe GC / maybe Hawthorn

So having lost brad crouch and worked some trades a possible draft hand could be:

Pick 1 - Hollands
Pick 4 or 5 - Thilthorpe
Pick 15 - Another mid
Atkins pick (hopefully band 3 - big big fingers crossed) - Another mid

and then use later picks for Hately, Borlace, Edwards and Newchurch
 
Mutineer said:
So you obviously don't rate Hamish and our recruiting guys?

Hamish seemed to think he was an excellent pick up....size, contested ball, speed and leadership....I'm backing in Hamish who's strike rate with later/rookie picks well and truly passes the sniff test.

Ronin O'Connor - Pick 42

Mitch McGovern - Pick 43
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There are examples of players working out, absolutely.

I would think Myles Poholke (44), Harrison Wigg (35) or Riley Knight (46) is more likely than McGovern though, if you're talking law of averages.
 
Crow till I die said:
A thought. If band 1 is off the table then as a club we have to match so St Kilda don't get a free hit and we cop a sh1t pick for our best mid.

So I think we have to say as a non-negotiable that we get pick 15 and their 2021 2nd. Now maybe we give back a future 4th or 5th rounder but we have to AT LEAST get those 2 picks from the saints.

Then I would be looking to trade 20 & 29 with the dogs for pick 13

The next deal I would try to do is package picks 8 & 13 to get back into the top 5 - maybe GC / maybe Hawthorn

So having lost brad crouch and worked some trades a possible draft hand could be:

Pick 1 - Hollands
Pick 4 or 5 - Thilthorpe
Pick 15 - Another mid
Atkins pick (hopefully band 3 - big big fingers crossed) - Another mid

and then use later picks for Hately, Borlace, Edwards and Newchurch
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No, our minimum is 15 and their 2020/1.

It's not our issue about how they do that, if they want Brad, have committed and offered him a contract, it's up to them to do the deal.

How bad would it look for them to miss out on Caldwell and also Crouch after showing significant interest. It doesn't look good.

I have no issues signing up Brad to the deal in that case, and am sure he would also sign up.
 
Mutineer said:
And Ronin is a sub 3-00 sec 20m runner...

Taken from AFL Draft Central.

Ronin O’Connor
RONIN O’ Connor is a inside midfielder with a tenacious appetite for the contest. 2019 has been a watermark year for the youngster as he was part of the Western Australia Under 18s champion winning side as well as captaining Claremont to the 2019 WAFL Colts premiership. The 18-year-old also got a taste of Reserves action for the Tigers late in the season. Tackling is a big sign of effort, it does not make many highlight packages but it sets the tone for his teammates to follow. Despite not being a massive accumulator of disposals, O’Connor makes sure that he sets a high standard in that regard. That, along with his leadership, work rate and inside game ability allows him to be a valuable later draft prospect. He does have to build his outside game and hit the scoreboard more often, but is one of those players who has speed to burn which will help him develop that aspect of his game.
STRENGTHS
Tackling
Work rate
Contested work
Clearances
Leadership
IMPROVEMENTS
Outside game
Scoreboard impact
The Marist youngster is the perfect height for a modern day midfielder at 191cm and is solidly built at 83kg. Being a two-way runner you need a good level of endurance and O’Connor tested solidly – with room for improvement – at the National Draft Combine. He can still improve in the area, but he is building that endurance to go with his 20-metre sprint time of 2.987 seconds which caught the eye. His ability to transform that into his game will be valuable for an inside midfielder.
O’Connor played all four games in the Under 18s carnival where he was extremely solid averaging 14 disposals, five tackles, three marks, two clearances and two inside 50s. In a game against Vic Country, the midfielder was in the thick of the action with 16 disposals and 11 tackles. In the four finals games that Claremont played in 2019, O’Connor averaged 17 disposals, two marks, two inside 50s and six tackles in his typically understated fashion.
Having the title of premiership captain is noteworthy at whatever level that you play at, and being a young leader and playing at a consistent level is something that recruiters will certainly take note of. Having the build and football awareness that he has, O’Connor is also capable of playing a role off half-back which is a handy attribute to have in today’s football.
Conversely, what may count against the 18-year-old is that there is not one area that makes you go ‘wow’. That is certainly not a criticism of his game, but recruiters often look for something that stands out from the pack. What O’ Connor lacks in that regard, he makes up for with his effort, as you know what you are going to get from him every time he steps onto the field. He ticks a lot of boxes, particularly regarding his inside game, and once he can add more strings to his bow in terms of his outside work, he can become a more versatile player and play a strong role at the top level.
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Bicks, I'm excited about O'Connor's potential as an inside mid but I'm always surprised that a profile like this one doesn't mention anything about his kicking skills - which are kind of important in our game.

You able to shed any light on his kicking ability? Cheers.
 

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FR0GGY said:
This doesn’t matter though, they’re still going to get to pick the player they wanted to at that pick number anyway.
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Yes but you're getting the 20th best player in that year's draft for Brad Crouch. Pick 15 doesn't have the currency it normally would.
 
Thetrader15 said:
No, our minimum is 15 and their 2020/1.

It's not our issue about how they do that, if they want Brad, have committed and offered him a contract, it's up to them to do the deal.

How bad would it look for them to miss out on Caldwell and also Crouch after showing significant interest. It doesn't look good.

I have no issues signing up Brad to the deal in that case, and am sure he would also sign up.
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I mentioned this before - they can't trade that 2021 pick if they use their 1st this year unless the AFL give them extra special dispensation to do so
 
StonesThrow said:
Yes but you're getting the 20th best player in that year's draft for Brad Crouch. Pick 15 doesn't have the currency it normally would.
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It doesn’t change it at all.
 
Our 2021 3rd and Kelly (or Seedsman) for their 2021 First and Dunstan (and Webster)?

(Edit - I'm not saying this is good. I'm wondering what we could add to a pick 20 compo to make it worthwhile not matching)
 
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conVINCEd said:
Bicks, I'm excited about O'Connor's potential as an inside mid but I'm always surprised that a profile like this one doesn't mention anything about his kicking skills - which are kind of important in our game.

You able to shed any light on his kicking ability? Cheers.
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Looked pretty good to me at the Championships when he was running off half back which he also plays well....again a mid with some versatility.....and speed and size
 
Crow till I die said:
I mentioned this before - they can't trade that 2021 pick if they use their 1st this year unless the AFL give them extra special dispensation to do so
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They'd have to procure another one then, again not our problem. Why should we bend over because the saints don't have currency?
Or of course they could pay him $800k and make all this go away....
 
Mego Red said:
There are examples of players working out, absolutely.

I would think Myles Poholke (44), Harrison Wigg (35) or Riley Knight (46) is more likely than McGovern though, if you're talking law of averages.
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Nope. none of them have his size and only Poholke of those mentioned is anything other than pedestrian pace wise
 
Hodgy said:
Trouble is, if Brad nominated the Saints because they offered him 5 years, then they can’t go back on that now. It will therefore need to be 5 years at $800, which is probably testing their resolve a bit.
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Change it to 3 at 800k with 2 years triggered at lower $$ and easy trigger clause to make same 5 year value
 
Does anyone have any real insight into why Crows seem so keen to move Brad on? It doesnt make a lot of sense to me. We have an impossible time keeping players, he says he wants to stay. I think arguably he is our best midfielder (when fit). Other teams are paying upwards of $700k at 5 years to bring players across. He is 26 and if the Crows are thinking we will not be in the hunt for a GF for 3 to 5 years he still fits the profile. I'm really struggling to understand why the Crows are so keen to move him on beit Pick 2 or Pick 20. The chances that you pick up another Brad in the draft is a crap shoot at best.
 
clinto69 said:
Does anyone have any real insight into why Crows seem so keen to move Brad on? It doesnt make a lot of sense to me. We have an impossible time keeping players, he says he wants to stay. I think arguably he is our best midfielder (when fit). Other teams are paying upwards of $700k at 5 years to bring players across. He is 26 and if the Crows are thinking we will not be in the hunt for a GF for 3 to 5 years he still fits the profile. I'm really struggling to understand why the Crows are so keen to move him on beit Pick 2 or Pick 20. The chances that you pick up another Brad in the draft is a crap shoot at best.
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Because pick 2.
Because rebuild.
Because injuries.
Because drugs.

Now watch it backfire spectacularly.
 
clinto69 said:
Does anyone have any real insight into why Crows seem so keen to move Brad on? It doesnt make a lot of sense to me. We have an impossible time keeping players, he says he wants to stay. I think arguably he is our best midfielder (when fit). Other teams are paying upwards of $700k at 5 years to bring players across. He is 26 and if the Crows are thinking we will not be in the hunt for a GF for 3 to 5 years he still fits the profile. I'm really struggling to understand why the Crows are so keen to move him on beit Pick 2 or Pick 20. The chances that you pick up another Brad in the draft is a crap shoot at best.
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pick 2 is the answer
 
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