Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Jeremy McLovin]

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Wonder what Allen's saying here.

"Guess who else won't be a captain next year?"

 

[Dom PC]

Why on earth would WC do that?

Similar value contracts and same age... it's does suggest they are similar trade values - no?

If it did resort to a trade then there is no way WCE would be getting close to pick 2...

So if Brisbane are offering Allen similar money as Stace (circa 900k per year) then there is a real problem for WCE in probably not getting band 1 compo (pick 2).

Hence WCE and Brisbane might need to do a bit of haggling over both players to get a good outcome for both clubs.


FYI by all reports no Brisbane player is earning much more 1m per year, so there is zero chance Allen is coming to us to become our highest paid player.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You’re forgetting that other people make it sound like we lynch mobbed him while naked and spraying him with a high pressure hose

What treatment? Not giving a player the offer they want?

Sorry guys, the way Allen was made to get in front of a camera was absolutely ridiculous

 

[Shueygod]

I've wondered about this point. I suspect Starce and Allen will be getting paid pretty similar money... circa $900k per year.

Surely 900k per year doesnt meet the band one compo with an $18m salary cap...

Tbh i think the simplest thing would be a straight swap of players. But this is where WCE might be wanting Brisbane to up their deal to Allen to get pick 2, which in turn suggests Brisbane might be saying then up your trade offer for Starce (to pick 16).

It’s not an even situation though, West Coast can afford to match Allen and Bring in starce to which Brisbane wouldn’t receive compo.

Brisbane acting like they have the power is wild to me.

Option 1. Allen gets compo worth pick 2, eagles trade PP for Starce (should be Les but it won’t be).
WC: Out: Allen + PP In: Starce + Pick 2
Bris: Out: Starce In: Allen + PP
Option 2. Brisbane lower their offer to Allen pissing him off, WC match and he stays, bring in Starcevich, Brisbane don’t receive compo, since there’s no goodwill between the clubs Annable is bid on at 1.

WC: Out: Nothing In: Starcevich
Bris: Out: Starcevich + shitton of points In: Nothing (Band 2 - Draper FA = ?)

The formula between the two options is Allen + priority pick for pick 2 on WC side and Allen + PP + Shitton of points for nothing on the Brisbane side.

Obviously option 1 is favourable to the eagles as well, but it’s pretty clear to see who holds the cards in negotiations.

 

[Mop]

Sorry guys, the way Allen was made to get in front of a camera was absolutely ridiculous

I don’t agree. If it were a normal player perhaps, this is one of your club captains.

Eat your medicine my son.

OA is one of my favourite players too, so this doesn’t come from a place of spite. I have some sympathy in the sense this stuff is probably always done behind the scenes as per the norm.

He got caught, he needed to face the music

 

[txbyhull]

Sorry guys, the way Allen was made to get in front of a camera was absolutely ridiculous

Wasn’t great but it’s not as bad as people make it out to be.

Maybe don’t get into a public meeting with a club everyone hates, who screwed us over last year, after losing the derby, as the captain, who’s been playing like absolute dogsh**. Cbtm

 

[Shueygod]

Similar value contracts and same age... it's does suggest they are similar trade values - no?

If it did resort to a trade then there is no way WCE would be getting close to pick 2...

So if Brisbane are offering Allen similar money as Stace (circa 900k per year) then there is a real problem for WCE in probably not getting band 1 compo (pick 2).

Hence WCE and Brisbane might need to do a bit of haggling over both players to get a good outcome for both clubs.


FYI by all reports no Brisbane player is earning much more 1m per year, so there is zero chance Allen is coming to us to become our highest paid player.

See above, it wouldn’t resort to a trade involving Starcevich as eagles would just get him for free. If the contract is as reported there is no way Brisbane could afford to match.

 

[lusheslewis]

Similar value contracts and same age... it's does suggest they are similar trade values - no?

If it did resort to a trade then there is no way WCE would be getting close to pick 2...

So if Brisbane are offering Allen similar money as Stace (circa 900k per year) then there is a real problem for WCE in probably not getting band 1 compo (pick 2).

Hence WCE and Brisbane might need to do a bit of haggling over both players to get a good outcome for both clubs.


FYI by all reports no Brisbane player is earning much more 1m per year, so there is zero chance Allen is coming to us to become our highest paid player.

If there were doubts about it being band 1 we surely would have heard about it by now, it's been spoken about as a formality for months.

 

[Dom PC]

West Coast would then just take Starcevich via FA and trade for OA. Can’t see a straight swap happening.

There is no way WCE is getting the equivalent of pick 2 via a trade for Allen.

Its very much in WCE's interests (and Brisbane's) that Allen does get to Brisbane via FA.

I just think both clubs have leverage here, so there should be a mutually beneficial outcome rather than WCE doing a freo and trying to "get a feather in their cap" over us.

See above, it wouldn’t resort to a trade involving Starcevich as eagles would just get him for free. If the contract is as reported there is no way Brisbane could afford to match.

Starce is a restricted free agent... so same logic applies to both players...

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I don’t agree. If it were a normal player perhaps, this is one of your club captains.

Eat your medicine my son.

OA is one of my favourite players too, so this doesn’t come from a place of spite. I have some sympathy in the sense this stuff is probably always done behind the scenes as per the norm.

He got caught, he needed to face the music

Mop, come on, you dont actually think WC arent driving him out the door...

txbyhull

 

[txbyhull]

Mop, come on, you dont actually think WC arent driving him out the door...

txbyhull

I don’t think they were forcing him out the door completely until after the Hawthorn meeting happened. If 2 was never being talked about it would be a straight swap Allen for Starcevich, but AFL intrusion has now put 2 and 23 in the mix.

Needlessly complicated everything tbh

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Sorry guys, the way Allen was made to get in front of a camera was absolutely ridiculous

It was ridiculous but a ridiculous response was what was best

 

[Shueygod]

Starce is a restricted free agent... so same logic applies to both players...

The same logic doesn’t apply, Brisbane can’t afford to match the reported offer or they’d be giving Bailey away next year. If they did, I imagine Starcevich would just stay.

 

[Mop]

Mop, come on, you dont actually think WC arent driving him out the door...

txbyhull

No mate im not saying that at all either - and this isn’t a dig - what have I said to imply otherwise?

That press conference however wasn’t that - I took it as being made an example of for others because he’s the captain.

 

[Dom PC]

If there were doubts about it being band 1 we surely would have heard about it by now, it's been spoken about as a formality for months.

While i agree with your point. He'd be getting similar money to what you guys are going to be paying Starce. So we all know there is a secret herbs and spices part to it. But the money (circa 900k per year) doesn't seem to scream band 1 with an $18m salary cap... so I do think there is a risk.

It happened to us back in 2017 with Tom Rockliff, he was arguably our 2nd best midfielder behind Beams and was our former captain. There was hopes of band one, but it ended up being band 2. This was when we were absolutely crap too!

 

[leighmo]

There is no way WCE is getting the equivalent of pick 2 via a trade for Allen.

Its very much in WCE's interests (and Brisbane's) that Allen does get to Brisbane via FA.

I just think both clubs have leverage here, so there should be a mutually beneficial outcome rather than WCE doing a freo and trying to "get a feather in their cap" over us.

Starce is a restricted free agent... so same logic applies to both players...

Didn’t say the would, just that they wouldn’t swap OA for Starc…

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I don’t think they were forcing him out the door completely until after the Hawthorn meeting happened. If 2 was never being talked about it would be a straight swap Allen for Starcevich, but AFL intrusion has now put 2 and 23 in the mix.

Needlessly complicated everything tbh

I dont believe that for a second. WC, as any decent list managing team should, recognised KPF is one of the areas they are happy in and Allen is one of a few players that has any value. I'm 100% sure they told him early it might be worth looking at his options because they'll only offer him a short contract on hardly anything.

They are (rightly) pushing him out the door, which was what made that absurd interview all the more gross

 

[mpal6]

AFL declaring our Allen offer to be band 2 would be a classic twist in all this haggling. Can't wait.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

No mate im not saying that at all either - and this isn’t a dig - what have I said to imply otherwise?

That press conference however wasn’t that - I took it as being made an example of for others because he’s the captain.

"Eat your medicine" and "got caught and needed to face the music"

These imply he did something wrong no? He did exactly what WC wanted him to do, talk to other clubs and find somewhere to go...

 

[txbyhull]

"Eat your medicine" and "got caught and needed to face the music"

These imply he did something wrong no? He did exactly what WC wanted him to do, talk to other clubs and find somewhere to go...

What he did wasn't wrong but how he did it was. I'm more than happy to blame Hawks for that though.

 

[Dom PC]

The same logic doesn’t apply, Brisbane can’t afford to match the reported offer or they’d be giving Bailey away next year. If they did, I imagine Starcevich would just stay.

But in your hypothetical we dont get Allen (you keep him)...so if we dont get Allen... doesn't that mean we have his money to spend on Starce?

The situations literally are mirrored.

 

[juice568]

There is no way WCE is getting the equivalent of pick 2 via a trade for Allen.

Its very much in WCE's interests (and Brisbane's) that Allen does get to Brisbane via FA.

I just think both clubs have leverage here, so there should be a mutually beneficial outcome rather than WCE doing a freo and trying to "get a feather in their cap" over us.

Starce is a restricted free agent... so same logic applies to both players...

It's in both teams interest to get this done. Make no mistake Brisbane are the ones being difficult. Holding out on the oscar free agency is the feather in the cap move

 

[Shueygod]

But in your hypothetical we dont get Allen (you keep him)...so if we dont get Allen... doesn't that mean we have his money to spend on Starce?

The situations literally are mirrored.

Do you genuinely believe Bris would pay Starce 900k X 4-6 even if they were to lose Allen?

I think we both know that it just wouldn’t happen.

 

[mpal6]

It's in both teams interest to get this done. Make no mistake Brisbane are the ones being difficult. Holding out on the oscar free agency is the feather in the cap move

We may end up still making an offer but for AFL to say it's only Band 2. We know what a band 2 contract looks like as we've just offered one to Draper. Once pick 2 is out of picture, it'll be up to West Coast to match it and convince Allen to stay.

 

[Shueygod]

We may end up still making an offer but for AFL to say it's only Band 2. We know what a band 2 contract looks like as we've just offered one to Draper. Once pick 2 is out of picture, it'll be up to West Coast to match it and convince Allen to stay.

I doubt it’ll take much convincing, he’s leaving for the money.