Official Club Stuff BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Folks. All posts relating to the so-called new board ticket have been removed. We were trolled by a Hawks supporter.

 

[Pixelshooter]

That reads like it was written by a 13 year old boy going through puberty...pathetic stuff really.

EDIT: Oh.

 

[Bell Ringer]

This PwC kerfuffle ain't going away...

 

[The Great Ian]

If the Carlton board can't bring themselves to dump Sayers then Carlton members should act the same way they did with Elliott and restore some integrity to the club.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

This PwC kerfuffle ain't going away...

Not a chance... it is actually a very big deal...

 

[Broadside]

I think Luke Sayers’ position is untenable. I know he’s stepping down next year anyway but that seems too far away. PwC is radioactive.

 

[SurreyBlue]

If the Carlton board can't bring themselves to dump Sayers then Carlton members should act the same way they did with Elliott and restore some integrity to the club.

Is that you Collo.

 

[Geoff Dickson]

Sayers can not remain as President, if Voss does not remain coach. It was Sayer's review, Sayer's coaching choice and Sayer's consultancy culture that has caused the club's descent.

How would you describe a 'consultancy culture'?

 

[Bell Ringer]

Sayers wouldn't have signed an honest CoI disclosure form in his life.

The sooner this corporate sleaze is out of our football club the better off we'll be.

 

[Michael Jezz]

How would you describe a 'consultancy culture'?

A) Where leaders are not creative enough to form their own strategic objectives.

B) so they commission someone else to do the work for them, which results in a written report

C) The report becomes the marketable outcome and deflects from the hard decisions regarding appointments and day to day management and masks that the leader probably does not know what to do.

 

[Arr0w]

A) Where leaders are not creative enough to form their own strategic objectives.

Internal and external reviews are commonplace in well run organisations

B) so they commission someone else to do the work for them, which results in a written report

No, they undertake their own analysis in determining strong and weak links

C) The report becomes the marketable outcome and deflects from the hard decisions regarding appointments and day to day management and masks that the leader probably does not know what to do.

It's dependent on the requirements within said industry/organisation

Spending time in every area and with each and or majority of individuals to ascertain continuity of system and people and determining level of effectiveness

Then, make recommendations on the above

 

[Aphrodite]

How would you describe a 'consultancy culture'?

How would you describe a 'consultancy culture'? (user with no Club support)

 

[BlueGum]

How would you describe a 'consultancy culture'?

Underpants gnomes

 

[Michael Jezz]

Internal and external reviews are commonplace in well run organisations


No, they undertake their own analysis in determining strong and weak links


It's dependent on the requirements within said industry/organisation

Spending time in every area and with each and or majority of individuals to ascertain continuity of system and people and determining level of effectiveness

Then, make recommendations on the above

So you support the President of the club outsourcing his responsibilities. A leader who sat on a board for 8 years should know the organisation well enough to set its direction. THE IRONY IS SAYERS CONSULTANCY DOES IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE. It is interesting how you generally defend the establishment and the staus quo. If you have been right all these years, why do we sit in 14th position, having not played finals for a decade.

 

[Arr0w]

So you support the President of the club outsourcing his responsibilities. A leader who sat on a board for 8 years should know the organisation well enough to set its direction. THE IRONY IS SAYERS CONSULTANCY DOES IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

In a well run organisation, external reviews are critical, fresh eyes, no bias

It is interesting how you generally defend the establishment and the staus quo.

I have always been impartial and as I have no knowledge of the inner sanctum. Nor am I an advocate of status quo

If you have been right all these years, why do we sit in 14th position, having not played finals for a decade.

A phase in time is never reflective of an situation, and since 2018, we have been on an upwards trend.

This year has been poor, but hopefully there is enough strength internally to back the long term strategy and or adjust/change aspects to improve outcomes

 

[branedotorg]

In a well run organisation, external reviews are critical, fresh eyes, no bias

I don't want to derail too far but this is the ideal of audit and consultancy.

The pejorative of consulting culture is when it goes too far and anything tricky, boring or hard is outsourced at exorbitant cost, far more than the cost of maintaining corporate knowledge internally.

McKinsey and the work it does for government worldwide is a perfect example of the second one imo.

I welcomed the external review lead by sayers because as a club we've been obsessed with 'Carlton people' despite a board at war for two decades and a notable lack of success.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Yes but also I think in many cases one gets a consultancy audit/ report/ etc as a means of challenging ones own ideas and or limited knowledge.
It doesnt mean the original ideas are wrong and it also prevents any maverick kind of decision making.

So Autocracy is wrong and so is Consultancy. Doesnt leave much hey.............

 

[LFTWNG11]

Yes but also I think in many cases one gets a consultancy audit/ report/ etc as a means of challenging ones own ideas and or limited knowledge.
It doesnt mean the original ideas are wrong and it also prevents any maverick kind of decision making.

So Autocracy is wrong and so is Consultancy. Doesnt leave much hey.............

Like everything, you need a balance.

 

[Revenant1995]

Just my opinion, but if any CFC Board member was to read this thread and some comments within, I'd reckon they kak themselves with laughter... IMO...

 

[The Flying Doormat]

How would you describe a 'consultancy culture'?

More specifics please. Within a Football Club, Government or Private Sector?

 

[sweetchoif]

If the Carlton board can't bring themselves to dump Sayers then Carlton members should act the same way they did with Elliott and restore some integrity to the club.

Oh yes, that revolution led to an unparalleled era of success and prosperity didnt it........

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

So you support the President of the club outsourcing his responsibilities. A leader who sat on a board for 8 years should know the organisation well enough to set its direction. THE IRONY IS SAYERS CONSULTANCY DOES IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE. It is interesting how you generally defend the establishment and the staus quo. If you have been right all these years, why do we sit in 14th position, having not played finals for a decade.

You either don't understand consultants and their purposes or had a bad experience once upon a time and have maintained the rage. Sure the stuff about the club being unsuccessful whatever - fine. Accurate but the attacks on 'consultancy culture' and the board for using an external review are pretty silly. That's what the top firms do. There's a reason consultancy firms are so massive. They provide brilliant value. No matter how much your average middle manager can't understand that.

 

[thylacine60]

You either don't understand consultants and their purposes or had a bad experience once upon a time and have maintained the rage. Sure the stuff about the club being unsuccessful whatever - fine. Accurate but the attacks on 'consultancy culture' and the board for using an external review are pretty silly. That's what the top firms do. There's a reason consultancy firms are so massive. They provide brilliant value. No matter how much your average middle manager can't understand that.

yeah nah - here's one article, there's plenty more

Why big consulting is on the nose

Amid allegations of cost overruns, conflicted advice, confidentiality breaches and advice shopping, the advisers have a brand problem with government.

www.afr.com

 

[El Topo]

yeah nah - here's one article, there's plenty more

Why big consulting is on the nose

Amid allegations of cost overruns, conflicted advice, confidentiality breaches and advice shopping, the advisers have a brand problem with government.

www.afr.com

In fairness, he didn't say who the consultants provide that brilliant value for...

 

[Broadside]

PwC scandal: Partners defy leadership with calls for a purge and radical reform (theage.com.au)

The group of partners said that two former PwC chief executives – Tom Seymour, who is retiring from the firm, and Luke Sayers, who now runs his own consulting group and is president of the Carlton Football Club – should be held accountable for the scandal.

Sayers’ associates say he had no knowledge of the scandal.