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So you are conceding that the Adelaide review "worked"?
As I said in a previous post, there are a few good consultants, most a charlatans. The adelaide one may work.
Please how can you defend our review and the President"s consultancy culture which has been proven, a sham in the business world?
How can you divorce the club's poor results from its leadership?
 
That Crows review was over 3 1/2 years ago, why did it take them that long to climb back up the ladder?
Are you trying to reset time frames, we started our rebuild in 2016. We are at the 8 season mark.The president himself said our objective is finals. Currently we sit 14th, closer to the spoon than finals. Stop sugar coating this, results don't justify your perspective.
 
Are you trying to reset time frames, we started our rebuild in 2016. We are at the 8 season mark.The president himself said our objective is finals. Currently we sit 14th, closer to the spoon than finals. Stop sugar coating this, results don't justify your perspective.

Think you night be confused

Crows did their external review end of 2019, 3 1/2 years ago, despite starting their rebuild prior

Sayers commissioned our review 18 month ago

Would we not afford a similar timeframe to Sayers and the club

Keep in mind, we currently sit 14th, which means little considering the end of year or moving forward

So, let's not make a blanket decision as this doesn't have a sunset clause of tomorrow
 

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That Crows review was over 3 1/2 years ago, why did it take them that long to climb back up the ladder?
Mate, you're trying to sell him licorice blocks & musk sticks but all he wants are sherbet bombs.
 
Think you night be confused

Crows did their external review end of 2019, 3 1/2 years ago, despite starting their rebuild prior

Sayers commissioned our review 18 month ago

Would we not afford a similar timeframe to Sayers and the club

Keep in mind, we currently sit 14th, which means little considering the end of year or moving forward

So, let's not make a blanket decision as this doesn't have a sunset clause of tomorrow
No, because the clear objective of the Carlton review was finals in the 7th season after a rebuild.(2022) The difference is the crows review initiated their rebuild. The problem is since day dot the results of the club do not justify most of your arguments and then you adjust time frames to suit your narrative. This allows you to say a review was successful, if the club makes finals many years after a review. If we make finals, it won't be due to a consultants review but due to decisions made by our leadership.
 
No, because the clear objective of the Carlton review was finals in the 7th season after a rebuild.(2022) The difference is the crows review initiated their rebuild. The problem is since day dot the results of the club do not justify most of your arguments and then you adjust time frames to suit your narrative. This allows you to say a review was successful, if the club makes finals many years after a review. If we make finals, it won't be due to a consultants review but due to decisions made by our leadership.

And if we miss, it won't be because of an external review
 
Correct, as I said initially external reviews are largely irrelevant, an expression of consultancy culture. The board and leaders need to have it in them to set direction. If they can't do that, they should be replaced

You are going round in circles, so am hopping off the merry-go-round

EVERY club does external reviews, either accept that or don't
 

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You are going round in circles, so am hopping off the merry-go-round

EVERY club does external reviews, either accept that or don't
sometimes it's the only way to break the inward looking cycle of naval gazing by people who have been around way too long to be interested in change......
 
Think you night be confused

Crows did their external review end of 2019, 3 1/2 years ago, despite starting their rebuild prior

Sayers commissioned our review 18 month ago

Would we not afford a similar timeframe to Sayers and the club

Keep in mind, we currently sit 14th, which means little considering the end of year or moving forward

So, let's not make a blanket decision as this doesn't have a sunset clause of tomorrow

Thats a bit ingenous. To say it took Adelaide x years so it should take us x years despite the two clubs in completely different stages of list builds.

On the other hand then Richmond completed a review in 2016 and won a premiership in 2017. Collingwood completed a review in 2017 and made a grand final in 2018 and a prelim in 2019.

Why is it taking us longer than 1 year then?

The answer is because no two clubs and circumstances are the same but supporters are well within their rights to question it.
 
Absolutely question every aspect of club management but one must bear in mind a playing list is composed of individuals, each unique. Different physiques maturing at different pace.
The situation is complex, club culture, quality of mentoring & leadership group & development of the youngsters all vital, important aspects .
In many clubs not all is so well synchronized, so it just take a hella of a lot longer to achieve excellence .
 
Correct, as I said initially external reviews are largely irrelevant, an expression of consultancy culture. The board and leaders need to have it in them to set direction. If they can't do that, they should be replaced
I dunno Jezz. External reviews can do things that are impossible for an internal to do because the internal might be hamstrung by the politics of the organisation. Of course, the external review may only parrot what the internal wants them to do, but that’s pretty commonplace. The external gives a legitimacy to the change that an internal is often unable to provide.

I think there are plenty of reasons you could provide for bashing the performance of sayers and the board. But roasting them for conducting an external review seems a little harsh.
 
Thats a bit ingenous. To say it took Adelaide x years so it should take us x years despite the two clubs in completely different stages of list builds.

On the other hand then Richmond completed a review in 2016 and won a premiership in 2017. Collingwood completed a review in 2017 and made a grand final in 2018 and a prelim in 2019.

Why is it taking us longer than 1 year then?

The answer is because no two clubs and circumstances are the same but supporters are well within their rights to question it.

Last paragraph is the vital one and questioning or spit balling is fine, but calling it a failure and wanting heads to roll due to our current position, which we know can change quickly is lazy
 

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I dunno Jezz. External reviews can do things that are impossible for an internal to do because the internal might be hamstrung by the politics of the organisation. Of course, the external review may only parrot what the internal wants them to do, but that’s pretty commonplace. The external gives a legitimacy to the change that an internal is often unable to provide.

I think there are plenty of reasons you could provide for bashing the performance of sayers and the board. But roasting them for conducting an external review seems a little harsh.
I want a board that know how to fix the football club and not need external direction for their ideas. 8 years on a board, Sayers should have industry knowledge to set our strategic direction. Come on, the guy called a review and left a failed football department largely in tact.
 
I want a board that know how to fix the football club and not need external direction for their ideas. 8 years on a board, Sayers should have industry knowledge to set our strategic direction. Come on, the guy called a review and left a failed football department largely in tact.
Replacing all the coaches is leaving a football department intact?
 
They replaced the senior coach, then did a mad rush to compile a 2nd rate list of assistants. Look at our assistants compared to the top clubsHead of football the same, fitness the same.
Not what you said. Your rhetoric is illogical.
 
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I want a board that know how to fix the football club and not need external direction for their ideas. 8 years on a board, Sayers should have industry knowledge to set our strategic direction. Come on, the guy called a review and left a failed football department largely in tact.
You don't understand the role of Boards mate - there are no executive directors on football boards - except in the worst of Clubs.
 
I want a board that know how to fix the football club and not need external direction for their ideas. 8 years on a board, Sayers should have industry knowledge to set our strategic direction. Come on, the guy called a review and left a failed football department largely in tact.
As I say Jezz, an external review can make decisions that a board never can, for a whole host of political reasons. It may also be that they just provide legitimacy to what the board wants to do, but can never publicly voice (again for political reasons). We can’t know the intricacies of the relationship between the board and the reviewers. But I think it’s somewhat extreme to dismiss the idea of an external review.
 

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