Broughton

[malpaso]

Can you stop taking the piss? Freo supporters have the right to be upset at this result.

What exactly are you upset about? We traded away a player that is 27 years old and will play WAFL next year for a pick in the second round. I'd rather have a developing KPP in the WAFL than Broughton.

 

[malpaso]

But that in no way diminishes his worth. And it doesn't mean other coaches wouldn't be rapt to have him.

He's worth a second round pick not a first.

 

[Chris25]

He was at the very least worth a pick in the 20's even 25-30.

We did not get value.

There probably isn't a huge market for a 26 year old medium defender though. Whether it's pick 29 or pick 37, a second rounder is a second rounder. The Suns couldn't offer what they didn't have.

Personally, I would rate Jordan Russell right alongside Broughton - Russell is probably a better defender in fact. He went from best 22 at Carlton to fringe player, and it now appears as though he'll be delisted. If Ross didn't have Broughton in his top 22 (which it seems pretty obvious he didn't) then this would be the time to trade him, before he loses any value he may have once had.

 

[apuchar]

Nope, you are right I don't. But at least I have considered other scenarios other than FFC do not know what they are doing, everybody else's trades are better than ours, Bond & Lloyd are shit, oh woe is me. FFC are doomed.

Have been very impressed with Bond and Co, and our recruiting is excellent in comparison to other clubs and the past Freo recruiters but this was not a good trade on face value and they are going to have to get some very good talls into the club to make this work. That is one area I do not think we have done well and this year is the year. I hope we are not banking on a ridiculous play for Buddy next year (who personally, I will never watch play for Fremantle).

 

[krisholio14]

Yes, still silly.

How so? You at least would have got a promising player, and probably a swap of draft picks.

Now you've basically given him away, which I said you'd probably end up doing, and guess what, you did.

 

[yakka man]

What exactly are you upset about? We traded away a player that is 27 years old and will play WAFL next year for a pick in the second round. I'd rather have a developing KPP in the WAFL than Broughton.

Saying he would be playing WAFL is speculation. He didn't play any WAFL this year. Pick 37 is not likely to get us any decent KPP's. He is a player with multiple top 5 B&F finishes who most neutral supporters agree was gifted to the Suns.

He's worth a second round pick not a first.

Stop talking rounds. He is worth between pick 15-30 definitely. I have no doubt that St Kilda would've traded either pick 25 or 26 for him. There has to be something else going on.

 

[PapaJ]

Umm, we could've swapped pick 17 for 13? That would've been a lot better. And how else do you calculate a players worth other than comparing to other trades that happen?

Well you can use it as a comparison in a very loose sense - me saying it has no relevance is a bit overstating it. But basically he's worth what suitors are willing to pay in the circumstances - of which we only have a part picture. It's all arbitrary of course, but my point is that saying we got screwed because of comparing this trade to another isn't quite right because of all sort of reason, but mostly because we're not talking about a 'true currency' with trade picks. 20 is not twice as good as 40, it's probably more, but to one club it might be worth more again, to another (eg. GWS) 20 would be worth less, and 40 almost not at all.

Agree on the upgrade of 1st rounders, that would have kept us a bit happier I'm sure and made things look a bit fairer.

 

[apuchar]

My suggestion on the other thread that Broughton was on the table and Mitch Brown would have been a good swap doesn't look so silly now does it?

My suggestion on the other thread that Broughton was on the table and Mitch Brown would have been a good swap doesn't look so silly now does it?

I actually thought that is what we may have done. a three way deal between Freo, Geelong and GC. Maybe we thought we could get a better tall at pick 37 than Brown or Geelong didn't want to trade.

 

[Alfonz]

What exactly are you upset about? We traded away a player that is 27 years old and will play WAFL next year for a pick in the second round. I'd rather have a developing KPP in the WAFL than Broughton.

It is pretty easy to see what some people are upset about. It is plain and simple a shocking trade on face value. Down the track, maybe it will somehow help us land Buddy or a similar big fish; or possibly GC will do us a favour in a future trade. But if that doesn't eventuate, we will have to get extremely lucky with a very shit pick, or it will be a terrible trade.

And why are people banging on about Broughton not being that good? He is easily in our best side, only he was injured last year. Much better than all of Ibbotson, Duffield and Spurr. Look at the 2011 B&F to realise why this is a joke:

2011 Doig Medal
1st Matthew Pavlich 144 votes
2nd Nathan Fyfe 141 votes
3rd Greg Broughton 118 votes
4th Luke McPharlin 108 votes
5th David Mundy 102 votes
6th Aaron Sandilands 98 votes
7th Stephen Hill 94 votes

So Broughton gets injured and all of a sudden he is just some average hack? Please. I could only justify the face value of the trade if he had some kind of Hasleby-like back problem, but wouldn't GC have put him through a medical?

 

[Dudley Leopard]

There probably isn't a huge market for a 26 year old medium defender though. Whether it's pick 29 or pick 37, a second rounder is a second rounder. The Suns couldn't offer what they didn't have.

Personally, I would rate Jordan Russell right alongside Broughton - Russell is probably a better defender in fact. He went from best 22 at Carlton to fringe player, and it now appears as though he'll be delisted. If Ross didn't have Broughton in his top 22 (which it seems pretty obvious he didn't) then this would be the time to trade him, before he loses any value he may have once had.

Well said Chris..the voice of Reason.

Broughton is a good solid player who is worth a 2nd round pick. He is not a 1st Rounder. What has distorted the issue is the large number of REALLY bad trades ie Dawes, Wellingham, Lee and Hickey for first round picks and Hogan for Two 1st rounders!

Everybody should lie down, breathe deeply and think of blue skies and oceans with crystal dolphins.

 

[apuchar]

Get it through your head that what Broughton brought isn't what Lyon needs. Pretty straightforward.

So give him away for nothing. Very straightforward.

 

[Chris25]

Look at the 2011 B&F to realise why this is a joke...

And how did we go in 2011? Bottom 8? We're a completely different team now.

Using the same example I did before, Jordan Russell came second in the B&F in 2010 - he outpolled Judd in the second half of the season. And then as the team stepped up in 2011, he dropped back down and ultimately lost his spot.

 

[Dockernut]

How so? You at least would have got a promising player, and probably a swap of draft picks.

Now you've basically given him away, which I said you'd probably end up doing, and guess what, you did.

Anyone that has been compared to Jack Watts is not a good player. Can't see why we'd trade a best 22 player for someone who has proven himself as not best 22. Might as well plonk for the best pick we could get (albeit, not a great pick), which is what we did. We might snare a gem at pick 37; we are unlikely to turn Brown into an A-grade KPF IMO.

 

[malpaso]

It is pretty easy to see what some people are upset about. It is plain and simple a shocking trade on face value. Down the track, maybe it will somehow help us land Buddy or a similar big fish; or possibly GC will do us a favour in a future trade. But if that doesn't eventuate, we will have to get extremely lucky with a very shit pick, or it will be a terrible trade.

And why are people banging on about Broughton not being that good? He is easily in our best side, only he was injured last year. Much better than all of Ibbotson, Duffield and Spurr. Look at the 2011 B&F to realise why this is a joke:

2011 Doig Medal
1st Matthew Pavlich 144 votes
2nd Nathan Fyfe 141 votes
3rd Greg Broughton 118 votes
4th Luke McPharlin 108 votes
5th David Mundy 102 votes
6th Aaron Sandilands 98 votes
7th Stephen Hill 94 votes

So Broughton gets injured and all of a sudden he is just some average hack? Please. I could only justify the face value of the trade if he had some kind of Hasleby-like back problem, but wouldn't GC have put him through a medical?

Who cares about 2011? We have a new coach and completely different game plan, Broughts doesn't fit.

All the Dawes/Wellingham comparisons, those guys are 2+ years younger.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I wonder if trading Broughton, allows us to delist Anthony and with enough salary cap space to recruit someone to replace him.

 

[malpaso]

Stop talking rounds. He is worth between pick 15-30 definitely. I have no doubt that St Kilda would've traded either pick 25 or 26 for him. There has to be something else going on.

Yeah and we said no to St Kilda's offer did we? Oh wait there was no offer..

We didn't value pick 60 and jumped up 23 spots while dumping a 350k salary. Good business.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Have to move pieces around to get a premiership, dose of reality needed here..

Alot of talk that Broughton doesnt fit the plan, didnt buy in, didnt put out etc etc. Thats fine to move him on. The argument is that its taken 3wks and then we have thrown him away for unders. He was at the very least worth a pick in the 20's even 25-30.

We did not get value.

Yeah. Malpaso's spirited defence of this is odd to say the least. Yes, one of the parties, either Broughton or the club, decided to end the arrangement and we had to come to a deal. However, he's contracted and of reasonable value. Getting pick 37 as simply an upgrade is a terrible result. It is not a necessary part of winning a premiership, it is straight up poor trading. For which the guy in charge has a reasonable record of bumbling.

We can't even find a suitor for Roberton and will likely lose him for nothing as well. If people want to call this effective list management they are morons.

 

[apuchar]

Yeah and we said no to St Kilda's offer did we? Oh wait there was no offer..

We didn't value pick 60 and jumped up 23 spots while dumping a 350k salary. Good business.

Except we didn't need to use 60 and we don't have salary cap problems.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

What exactly are you upset about? We traded away a player that is 27 years old and will play WAFL next year for a pick in the second round. I'd rather have a developing KPP in the WAFL than Broughton.

I just can't believe we will have muppets like spurr, ibbotson and duffield playing as flankers, yet we give broughton away for a damaged hansie cronje cricket card.

Hell we haven't even re-signed Ibbo yet, that is how much we rate him. I was all for offloading broughton, but not for so little.

Shit people are going on about darling v Pitt.... How is it going to be broughton v player x...... They had better choose well... For the time being bond can give himself an uppercut

 

[Alfonz]

Who cares about 2011? We have a new coach and completely different game plan, Broughts doesn't fit.

Broughton didn't fit mainly because he was injured. How does Spurr fit into the side/gameplan, and Broughton doesn't? That makes no sense whatsoever. I guess Spurr can jump higher.

And how did we go in 2011? Bottom 8? We're a completely different team now.

Using the same example I did before, Jordan Russell came second in the B&F in 2010 - he outpolled Judd in the second half of the season. And then as the team stepped up in 2011, he dropped back down and ultimately lost his spot.

Fine, I can see your point Chris. However, look at who he is surrounded by on the 2011 leaderboard. It is basically the top 5-6 of our list.

He also finished 5th in the B&F in 2010, despite missing 7 games with injury. We came 6th and won a final ... basically a similar output from the team when compared with this year. In the first final he was our leading possession winner and arguably BOG. In the second final debacle he was not spectacular, but still in the top 7-8 players we had.

I just can't understand why people forget 2010 and 2011 ... seasons when Broughton was CLEARLY in our top 5 players. And now that he gets injured, and a coach doesn't like him, he is just some average run of the mill player and we can accept a practically worthless trade?

 

[pistol17]

I just can't believe we will have muppets like spurr, ibbotson and duffield playing as flankers, yet we give broughton away for a damaged hansie cronje cricket card.

Hell we haven't even re-signed Ibbo yet, that is how much we rate him. I was all for offloading broughton, but not for so little.

Shit people are going on about darling v Pitt.... How is it going to be broughton v player x...... They had better choose well... For the time being bond can give himself an uppercut

Tad harsh on Spurr but I totally agree with the uppercut

As a few people have said there must be something else happening. Still have Roberton to find a home and if we accept peanuts for Broughton surely we take peanuts for Roberton. If we refuse the offers out there and he walks into the PSD it makes the Broughton decision even harder to fathom. Plus Ibbo remains unsigned which is interesting as he was also dropped under the Lyon regime. Could be Broughton mark 2

 

[Bradesmaen]

There probably isn't a huge market for a 26 year old medium defender though. Whether it's pick 29 or pick 37, a second rounder is a second rounder. The Suns couldn't offer what they didn't have.

Personally, I would rate Jordan Russell right alongside Broughton - Russell is probably a better defender in fact. He went from best 22 at Carlton to fringe player, and it now appears as though he'll be delisted. If Ross didn't have Broughton in his top 22 (which it seems pretty obvious he didn't) then this would be the time to trade him, before he loses any value he may have once had.

Agreed. People are seriously overrating Broughton. Anyone would think we're trading Fyfe for Pick 37. We're lucky to get Pick 37 in my opinion. He's an average player and got a top 5 in the BnF in a shit year where the majority of our good players had half the year off due to injury.

 

[krisholio14]

Anyone that has been compared to Jack Watts is not a good player. Can't see why we'd trade a best 22 player for someone who has proven himself as not best 22. Might as well plonk for the best pick we could get (albeit, not a great pick), which is what we did. We might snare a gem at pick 37; we are unlikely to turn Brown into an A-grade KPF IMO.

Who has compared him to Jack Watts?

And when are you going to get through your head that Broughton was no longer a best 22 player, and that's why he's now playing for the Suns?

 

[Zeno The Great]

Interesting to see the different opinions on here. I really rate him, thought he is a very good player worthy of a pick in the 20's (if you look at what some others are going for in this period), if it only took pick 37 i wish we had traded him to the dogs. Good luck with the draft pick hope it works out well so this is a win win for everyone. cheers

 

[more_of_bito]

Broughton was in the best twenty two every time he was fit, I don't think he played for Subiaco ever last year.

Why would you not offer a two year contract to a best 22 player then?