Buddy - 2010 AA?

[BennyHarper]

Why are people comparing Steve Johnson to Lance Franklin? How is that even a close contest? You would seriously prefer to have Steve Johnson than Lance Franklin at the Cats?

He'd be well down the list of who I'd choose from the Cats, starting with Chappy, who is a deadset GUN! And this Gablett bloke who goes alright too.

Anyway, as for the AA forwardline, as long as Jack is in there i'm happy. He's been an absolute superstar this year!

 

[Ricmel]

When your trying to defend/pump up N Riewoldt, Of course it isn't

Goals should be the main judging point of a forward.

I don't need to defend/pump up Nick Riewoldt. Number 1, I didn't know he was under attack (or for what or by whom) and number 2, he doesn't need pumping up, he seems almost universally acknowledged as being in the top 3 players in the AFL?

 

[Smurftown#11]

Franklin should definitely be in the team. And what's with people thinking LeCras should be in there? He's only been good since he kicked 12 in a game, he didn't do anything before that. I'd take Franko, Chapman, Green, Steve Johnson and Milney over him. LeCras' time was last year.

I think you'll find Lecca already had 40-odd goals for the year before he kicked the 12.

He'd been consistently kicking 3,4,5 a game with the worst service in the league. Franklin, Chapman, Johnson and Green are all up on the Half-forward line. LeCras is a pocket player. Milne's had a good season, but I think Lecca has him covered this year. As for your mention of last year, he was stiffed by some idiots giving it to Leon.....and he'll finish with a 60+ goal year this year.

For my thoughts, Hall and Riewoldt have been playing out of the square mainly and should probs pick up the FF and a Pocket in AA. Leaving Buddy to play CHF, even if he;s been more of a flanker at times this year. Think he has still managed to out do Brown and Pav for the spot.

 

[I'm the Juggernaut]

Buddy - 2010 AA? What, are you kidding

 

[TeamHurley]

Should be AA for sure. Kicking goals while roaming down the ground. In the streak of wins, they would have lost half of them without buddy.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Um...what

But seriously...what?

Exactly, Riewoldt is triple teamed, sometimes they form zones around him, lmao, poor kid.

In all seriousness, Buddy is held on a leash by the opposition, he isn't given much freedom, and when he finds it, its because he was good enough too.

It's a 25/75 chance to make it in. He has done well this year, he has a great reputation and that gives him an advantage. But then again you wouldn't put him ahead of Jack, Hall, LeCras, Didak, Chapman & Green.

 

[Ricmel]

Not weighing into this particular argument but I will make a comment on this line. He might be a better contested mark but there is no relevance in saying he is a more damaging contested mark.

How damaging a player is is determined by how they dispose of the ball, not how they take possession of it.

Only if you look at things one dimensionally. It is more damaging to regularly take contested marks in the goal square than it is to take them on the wing.

And no, I am not saying that Hall takes his marks in teh goal square and Buddy on the wing. But this year Hall has taken a lot of contested marks in the 10 - 25 metres out/ 45 degree V than just about anyone.

 

[HolyWars]

Since he has missed 5 games I would be happy if he made the bench.

 

[Turly]

Lol at comparisons between Buddy and Nick. Especially using goals and posession stats as arguements.

they sound like pretty important statistics to me, why lol at them ????

 

[bards]

It's not all about goals and possessions. This constant "goal average per game" stuff is nonsense. Hall for example is never going to average the same number of passessions as Franklin but he straightens that team up far more than Franklin does Hawthorn he is also far more precise with his disposals than Franklin is and he is more damaging contested mark.

If AA was filled by players averaging the most possessions/goals/tackles etc it woul be filled with Andrew Carazzo types. To me it is about a player's impact and THIS year I think Jack and Hall have had greater impact.

I agree its not all about averages, but it is, or should be about playing bloke in their correct positions. If Hall is the second best FF, then he should either miss out or get a bench spot/ maybe pocket. If we go back to the 90's do we name Lockett at Full Forward, Carey at CHF, Dunstall in a pocket, Ablett on the wing and Brereton at CHB because they all had good years? Of course not, you should be selected for positions. If two FF have great years (and Hall hasn't been great, he has been very good), then stick one in a pocket, dont move them to CHF if they never play there. Franklin has been named, and played CHF all year. He is clearly the best performed CHF, with Brown and N. Riewoldt missing too much footy or struggling for form.

The AA selection team have in the past been stupid by naming bloke well out of position (Pav at FB) but hopefully they have this sorted now. I do think though that an extra mid can occupy one HFF, as is often the case in each team each week. Most sides play maximum of 5 forwards, with one spot used to rotate midfielders.

 

[Belnakor]

Add to this, he is probably playing consistently further from goal this season than any of the other top 10-15 players on the goal kicking leaderboard.

Pav would disagree

 

[AG]

In terms of AA selection, to not add my personal influence of bias, I would refer you to Aussie Gun's AA team (whose opinion I highly rate). Though not one of the first picked, he has Buddy in there, which is good enough for me (I think Aussie's team is pretty much how they should do it)

Thanks but I haven't watched enough football this year to be pretty sure I have the right players compared to last year.

Franklin is one of the players I think is an easy pick though. CHF should be his. People say he has missed too many games but I think you can get away with missing 5, 6 at most. SJ made the team in 07 having missed 5 games.

Forward line is hard this year because Ablett, Didak and Chapman might all be picked as forwards. So it might be those three, Riewoldt and Franklin. Then SJ, Green, LeCras, Pavlich, Hall and Goodes fighting for the other FP and possible bench spot.

 

[ScoobySnacks]

Double team Buddy like Hall and Revolt get each week and things would be much clearer

No team has two players that can match him for speed, size, strength or endurance to make it a worth while tactic

 

[Military_man]

I would have Buddy sittin in a forward pocket with Lecras in the other pocket and Jack Reiwoldt at full forward

 

[hawks4lyf]

surely jumping jack and didak are the only certainties to make it in the AA forward line this year. many of the big names havent played enough or played enough quality games to be in selection (n. revoldt, brown, pav, fev etc) personally think it will end up being

hall revoldt lecras
didak buddy goodes

i hope to see goodes in there but possible green infront of him.

out of the players that play CHF i cant see any1 ahead of buddy

 

[AG]

surely jumping jack and didak are the only certainties to make it in the AA forward line this year.

Yeah. If Ablett and Chapman are selected as forwards then they would be as well.

 

[MinerBoy]

Only if you look at things one dimensionally. It is more damaging to regularly take contested marks in the goal square than it is to take them on the wing.

And no, I am not saying that Hall takes his marks in teh goal square and Buddy on the wing. But this year Hall has taken a lot of contested marks in the 10 - 25 metres out/ 45 degree V than just about anyone.

Fair enough. I don't necessarily disagree with you. But for all those marks and Buddy being further from goal, Buddy is still hitting the scoreboard as often - so how damaging are those contested marks really? I suppose if Buddy was as good a contested mark, then he would be far more damaging on the scoreboard than he is.

Don't get me wrong - I expect Hall to be in the team. No question.

Whether Buddy gets in as well, rather than instead of, is the question.

 

[MinerBoy]

Pav would disagree

Pav was certainly a long way from goal last week.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Fair enough. I don't necessarily disagree with you. But for all those marks and Buddy being further from goal, Buddy is still hitting the scoreboard as often - so how damaging are those contested marks really? I suppose if Buddy was as good a contested mark, then he would be far more damaging on the scoreboard than he is.

Don't get me wrong - I expect Hall to be in the team. No question.

Whether Buddy gets in as well, rather than instead of, is the question.

This whole thing opposition supporters say about Franklin not being a good contested mark is lies. You cannot get 200+ scoring shots on goal in 08 like he did, without being able to take contested marks.

 

[BangBangBang]

For me, Buddy has to be in.

He is, like little Gaz, marked a lot harder than others as they have set the bar so high. If any other young KPP forward had the sort of year Buddy has then they would be considered a superstar but because its Buddy many people think he has only had an 'ok' year.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

For me, Buddy has to be in.

He is, like little Gaz, marked a lot harder than others as they have set the bar so high. If any other young KPP forward had the sort of year Buddy has then they would be considered a superstar but because its Buddy many people think he has only had an 'ok' year.

Bingo.

Even if Nick Riewoldt averaged 18.4 touches and 3.5 goals a game in a season ( which he has never achieved those averages ) people would be saying "oh waht a star", but since it's Buddy, people are just like "yeah it's ok". He is marked very harshly

It's a joke

 

[thommus]

Personally, I don't think any player who plays only 17 out of 22 games in a season should make AA, however I think Franklin will make the team for the following reasons.

- The selection committee clearly disagree with me re amount of games played, selecting Chapman last year having played only 17 games.

- Last year the selection committee were in a similar situation dealing with 3 FF/CHF type dominant goal kickers (Riewoldt, Brown, Fevola). What they did was select Riewoldt at CHF, Fevola at FF and Brown in a forward pocket.

Thus, I think the setup will go

Didak Franklin Ablett
LeCras Riewoldt Hall

 

[El_Scorcho]

There is definitely precedent for a player being a victim of his own standards as would be the case if Buddy didn't make the bench at least.

Tredrea in 2005 had a year that was statistically (and performancewise) better than a couple of his earlier AA years, basically matched Pavlich statistically who got the CHF AA spot and didn't even get a flank or bench position. Criminal. What let him down was that his 2004 was so amazing that in comparison, his 2005 where his team hadn't played as well didn't look as good.

He'd be a lock for CHF if the Hawks had gone on with their run of wins in the latter half of the year. As it stands he may miss the 22. As I said, it has happened before.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Franklin should definitely be in the team. And what's with people thinking LeCras should be in there? He's only been good since he kicked 12 in a game, he didn't do anything before that. I'd take Franko, Chapman, Green, Steve Johnson and Milney over him. LeCras' time was last year.

Which is why he will make the team this year.
Walls, Healy and co know they stuffed up last year by putting in Davis instead of LeCras and they will make sure he makes it this year

 

[huggy_b]

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