Buddy - How many weeks?

[Bayer_]

"don't disagree with me".

Maybe it is your arguments that are facile.

There have been plenty of examples of Sydney getting preferential treatment given. Yet we get told that it's nothing other than conspiracy theories.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

What about the 'realistic alternative' criteria?

Did Buddy have a realistic alternative?

****ing oath he did.

 

[bkozican]

Nothing wrong with the bump imo

Ran past the ball? The ball is within 5 metres so no problem there.
Intention? The intent is to hit...clearly. That isnt illegal
Impact? Seems moderate but isnt enough to knock him out. He gets up and takes his kick
High contact? Some contact if you slow it down but is really all on the upper chest

Conclusion, just a good old shirtfront. Some of you need to learn that footy is a contact sport and the bump/shirtfront is apart of the game.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Nothing wrong with the bump imo

Ran past the ball? The ball is within 5 metres so no problem there.
Intention? The intent is to hit...clearly. That isnt illegal
Impact? Seems moderate but isnt enough to knock him out. He gets up and takes his kick
High contact? Some contact if you slow it down but is really all on the upper chest

Conclusion, just a good old shirtfront. Some of you need to learn that footy is a contact sport and the bump/shirtfront is apart of the game.

There is nothing wrong with it at.

Except for the fact the way the bump has been adjudicated recently flies in the face of this decision.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-...-bans-while-big-lion-martin-offered-two-weeks

have to laugh at the AFL's news article on the buddy hit. This is my favourite line:

"Franklin and Tippett were not the only big-name players to feel the wrath of the MRP..."

Yeah im sure both players are reeling from their heavy hand of the MRP

 

[kenneje]

Lake literally choked someone. It was one of the biggest dog acts you'll ever see on the footy field.

Lewis swung a closed fist at an airborne opponent's head and colllected him square in the mush.

Hodge deliberately attacked an opponent's head with an elbow.

They were far worse and thankfully the MRP results bear that out.

Lakes was shocking, Lewis and Hodge did something stupid and they got exactly what they deserved, but how on earth does 'potential to cause injury' apply to them and not to Buddy who ran full tilt at a bloke and collected him in the head instead of going for the ball?

It's really strange mate, I don't know if Buddy/Tippett were adjudicated correctly or Lewis/Hodges were, but it's almost like they've been sanctioned based on rules from a different set of guidelines.

 

[J_Moore]

What about the 'realistic alternative' criteria?

Did Buddy have a realistic alternative?

******* oath he did.

He got suspended man.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

He got suspended man.

Yeah, he chose to bump. He could have tried to pick up the footy.

Should have been graded as intentional.

 

[J_Moore]

There have been plenty of examples of Sydney getting preferential treatment given. Yet we get told that it's nothing other than conspiracy theories.

I don't think there's really a history of Sydney getting preferential treatment at the MRP. There are decisions that appear inconsistent when compared to other ones, but that's the case across the whole league. Some Swans have receive less than you'd sometimes expect, others more. This is the case for every other club.

Tippett gets a 2 weeks for his elbow to the head, which seems unfair compared to Lewis's three, but not necessarily when compared to Firrito's 0, for example.

 

[J_Moore]

Yeah, he chose to bump. He could have tried to pick up the footy.

Should have been graded as intentional.

Doesn't "realistic alternative" get you off the hook completely?

Anyway, I think intentional would have made sense.

 

[Procrastinator35]

What about the 'realistic alternative' criteria?

Did Buddy have a realistic alternative?

******* oath he did.

Don't you mean 'bloodz oath'

 

[kenneje]

Nothing wrong with the bump imo

Ran past the ball? The ball is within 5 metres so no problem there.
Intention? The intent is to hit...clearly. That isnt illegal
Impact? Seems moderate but isnt enough to knock him out. He gets up and takes his kick
High contact? Some contact if you slow it down but is really all on the upper chest

Conclusion, just a good old shirtfront. Some of you need to learn that footy is a contact sport and the bump/shirtfront is apart of the game.

Spot on, but how about the precedent that was set with the Lewis case?

Lewis can accept a two-match sanction with an early plea, after the incident was classified as a three-match sanction. Media should note the MRP provided the assessment of high impact among its reasons below, based on point 4.2(b) of the Tribunal guidelines on page 9 ‘.. strong consideration will be given to the potential to cause serious injury’.

The new system was brought in to provide consistency and transparency, so why hasn't Buddys bump been tried under the same rules as Lewis'? Collecting a bloke in the head while running at full tilt should surely be seen as having the potential to cause serious injury.

 

[scaryness]

Don't you mean 'bloodz oath'

Unsociable oath?

 

[Mister B]

There have been plenty of examples of Sydney getting preferential treatment given. Yet we get told that it's nothing other than conspiracy theories.

You mean like when the league banned us from trading for following league rules? Yes. I can see how preferential that is to us.

 

[Big Mart]

If anyone argues that these penalties were correct...

Are basically as stupid as the law makers (for an illogical system) and tribunal for their adjudication.

It's farcical...

I'm neither Hawthorn or Sydney

Just disgusted and dismayed by such a joke of a decision

 

[Crankyhawk]

Really? I disagree, I don't think he was aiming for the head at all. I think it would be very rare for a player to actually do so. At what point in the milliseconds between the fumbled mark and contact do you think he made that choice?

Yep he intended to bump the player.

The rules state when you intend to bump the consequences are yours.

Therefore Intent to hit, contact high, impact high should equal tribunal.

And its more than half a second between fumbling the mark, running about 6 steps, deciding "stuff the ball" and lining up Edwards.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Yep he intended to bump the player.

The rules state when you intend to bump the consequences are yours.

Therefore Intent to hit, contact high, impact high should equal tribunal.

And its more than half a second between fumbling the mark, running about 6 steps, deciding "stuff the ball" and lining up Edwards.

Do you have any intention of responding to what was actually in my post or was it just easier to post what you wanted anyway?

 

[Crankyhawk]

I don't think there's really a history of Sydney getting preferential treatment at the MRP. There are decisions that appear inconsistent when compared to other ones, but that's the case across the whole league. Some Swans have receive less than you'd sometimes expect, others more. This is the case for every other club.

Tippett gets a 2 weeks for his elbow to the head, which seems unfair compared to Lewis's three, but not necessarily when compared to Firrito's 0, for example.

Please can you highlight one where Sydney got more than what was expected (and no, Barry hall vs Staker doesn't count). Firrito's 0 and steveJ's 0 (when they both hit swans players this year) also not right and don't make sense when viewed in light of Lewis 3 down to 2 or same for Stefan Martin.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Do you have any intention of responding to what was actually in my post or was it just easier to post what you wanted anyway?

Well, I know that I can't change what you think - you don't think he intended to hit him in the head. I think he intended to hit him and did not give a crap what he hit. According to the rules of the bump, if youhit and make accidental contact to the head you are to be suspended. Then the adjudication of the force of hit is ludicrous when viewed in light of both Hodge and Lewis being adjuged high impact.

But please, go on not thinking.

 

[Mootsy]

epic LOL
One week.
My gosh.

 

[Swansujelly]

Your boys along with quite a lot of clubs play the same kind of football - the Hawks get relabelled with it because it was popular in 08 and gets trotted out every year

no, you play like a bunch of currents, have done ever since the midget in charge came on board. It's not something to be proud of, and something we don't do...all the time..

 

[Kummerspeck]

Well, I know that I can't change what you think - you don't think he intended to hit him in the head. I think he intended to hit him and did not give a crap what he hit.

That's kind of a key part of the grading. You can't just ignore it because it ****s with your outrage. "Well, I don't think he intended to hit him in the head, but I do think he intended to bump." Yeah, no shit.

According to the rules of the bump, if youhit and make accidental contact to the head you are to be suspended.

Okay. Franklin was suspended. The penalty was two weeks. I don't see where you're going with that line.

Please can you highlight one where Sydney got more than what was expected

"More than what was expected?" by who? Bigfooty? The public? Given the inability of anyone on this board to grasp the fact that the system has changed, let alone what those changes were, why do you think that's a decent measure?

 

[Crankyhawk]

That's kind of a key part of the grading. You can't just ignore it because it ****s with your outrage. "Well, I don't think he intended to hit him in the head, but I do think he intended to bump." Yeah, no shit.

I think given he's looked up and appeared to line up Edwards to drive his shoulder into the head,, yes intentional. But I understand if you can't see it that way.

Okay. Franklin was suspended. The penalty was two weeks. I don't see where you're going with that line.

The force of impact graded as medium where others who do not knock out players get graded as high - if this had been the case it would have been 3 down to 2 which would have been a fair result. It also is a bit convenient that his prior record got wiped given his multiple prior high contact bumps. Yet a Freo poster earlier mentioned Ballantyne still had a bad record loading.

 

[Bayer_]

no, you play like a bunch of currents, have done ever since the midget in charge came on board. It's not something to be proud of, and something we don't do...all the time..

Better this:

Than this:

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Please can you highlight one where Sydney got more than what was expected (and no, Barry hall vs Staker doesn't count). Firrito's 0 and steveJ's 0 (when they both hit swans players this year) also not right and don't make sense when viewed in light of Lewis 3 down to 2 or same for Stefan Martin.

Mummy - Ellard same as the Gibbs one that some think was harsh. Barry Hall - Wakelin suspended for attempted strike I'm not sure i've seen too many suspensions for zero contact (admittedly without context of the Staker incident was probably for the best). The Lewis suspension in my opinion is just the look of it and not properly adjudicated. A bump gone wrong just seems part of football unless those shoulder in the head ones with a player bent over. Swinging arm in the snoz a bit late just has that vintage Rob Muir look to it. I totally agree he copped a tough suspension but the conspiracy line is just garbage. Some clubs have players who are hard at it and walk a fine line others are just bloody clumsy and should give it up. Hawthorn have a culture of hard take no prisoners football and therefore will have more suspensions due to that fine line and the unpredictability of body mechanics . However the culture also has lead to premierships. I think Freo after years of being a bit laughed at have adopted a bit of mongrel but don't execute the hard stuff as well and have had a few clumsy suspensions but it's a smart road to go down.

Swans are pretty useless at the rough stuff and I think this year are trying to respond to an insipid GF performance. Doesn't suit our list for the most part but if we continue with it don't worry we will have our fair share of suspensions ahead. At some point you have to match or better the best if you want t dominate.

Anyway off on a tangent.............um yeah Buddy getting a week....seemed ok to me ha ha