Burgatron's Phantom Draft - 2004

[crowsarethebest]

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Matt Burgans draft is closer than footydrafts because goalden hawk only looked at the National championships. Burgan takes in all of their ferformances. this is why i think this is closest.

 

[Portia]

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Burgan typically gives a high weighting to good draft camp results. He also typically gets Port's picks wrong.

I'd also say that because its mostly his non-Victorian picks getting comparatively bumped down the list, that he leans heavily on TAC Cup performances over championships.

 

[waspy]

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I think Goalden Hawks Phantom Draft will be closer to the mark, but i doubt Burgan has 100's of advisors on Bigfooty helping him like GH does, mind you GH does a great job of putting together a draft that not only makes sense in terms of teams needs (except McGough to Essendon ) but in terms of players value also.

 

[irel]

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Burgan typically gives a high weighting to good draft camp results. He also typically gets Port's picks wrong.

I'd also say that because its mostly his non-Victorian picks getting comparatively bumped down the list, that he leans heavily on TAC Cup performances over championships.

His strike rate of Lions' selections from previous drafts can only be
described as very poor. He generally gets the top 10 OK.
I like your selections for Port on the Bigfooty Draft much better.

 

[Portia]

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His strike rate of Lions' selections from previous drafts can only be described as very poor.

I guess one thing to take pride in from that is that if he's getting your club's picks regularly wrong, you don't have any real leaks in your recruiting department.

He did well to pick out Murphy for Freo at #12 last year though.

 

[theorangeapple]

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i wouldnt right this phantom draft off just yet. he has made afew suprising decisions, but really, do we no any better?

his past picks for the eagles have been very accurate. i think he gets more information out of some clubs than others. i am certain matt rosa will be an eagle next year if he available for our pick 29 (aslong as their arnt any major sliders) after what he said about us really rating him.

monfries, eckerman and to a lesser degree sharp are all suprising sliders. especially eckerman but im sure there is a reason why Burgan had him sliding because he would have seen the same guy that won the best player for a super strong SA u18 side at the carnival as a bottom age player.

 

[crowsarethebest]

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He usually gets all our 1st round draft picks right. Even in 2002 our 1st pick was pcik 32 and we pciked up jericho he got right

 

[theorangeapple]

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He did well to pick out Murphy for Freo at #12 last year though.

he didnt pick Murphy, he said something like; 'dont be suprised if the dockers pick Murphy'. he had him listed in the 30's tho.

he did the same with Stanton as the bombers despite having him going to Sydney at 17.

i was abit sus because i read it after the draft and thought he could have written it in after to sound smarter but i highly doubt it.

 

[Johnson#26]

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I think the Dons will take McGough. He will replace Misiti and burn the Pies on ANZAC Day. Hope MM rues this one.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

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Why is a ruckman of such importance to us ? Surely we could use either pick 12 or 16 on a ruckman ! I think we are in more need of kpp players,so hopefully Roughhead or Franklin for pick 4

A few reasons.
*the word is that next years draft will be light on Ruckman.if you consider that 2005 will be Staffords last year.Sure we need a kpp however is there much of a huge difference between a Roughead,Franklin,Willets,Gibson?
Both Meeson + Wood are the 2 standouts as far as the Ruckman go.It takes a Ruckman approx 3 yrs to find his feet at AFL level so why gamble with any one outside of these 2?

cheers!

 

[eastaugh36]

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69 - FREMANTLE - Brad Smith
(Subiaco), 11 May 1979, 193cm, 102kg

Smith was an instrumental part of Subiaco's premiership victory over Claremont in the 2004 WAFL grand final, kicking five goals. It capped off another outstanding year for Smith, who won his second consecutive Bernie Naylor Medal - the leading goalkicker in the WAFL. After booting 84 goals in 2003, Smith cracked the ton with 109 majors in 2004. This included 11 goals during the finals series. Although he will be 25 years old next year, he has attracted strong interest from the Western Australian clubs, but it is Fremantle who are firming to take on the full-forward. With the Dockers losing Troy Simmonds to Richmond during the October exchange period, he would be a more than handy addition. It is also believed that he has attracted strong interest from several Melbourne-based clubs.



Is this the same Brad Smith that played as a ruckman for both Richmond and Collingwood?

Hahaha. That's hilarious! No way that Brad Smith would ever make it back! He has been gone for Glenelg since the end of 2003.

 

[crowsarethebest]

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A few reasons.
*the word is that next years draft will be light on Ruckman.if you consider that 2005 will be Staffords last year.Sure we need a kpp however is there much of a huge difference between a Roughead,Franklin,Willets,Gibson?
Both Meeson + Wood are the 2 standouts as far as the Ruckman go.It takes a Ruckman approx 3 yrs to find his feet at AFL level so why gamble with any one outside of these 2?

cheers!

Yeah next years draft is light on ruckman alright. Theres a few KPP but HEAPS of midfelders HBF, HFF players. also nexts years draft seams to be shorter in height

 

[mattyc2422]

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because goalden hawk only looked at the National championships.

Wrong.

 

[Snickers]

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i would love Monfries to go at #17.

 

[YAKUZA]

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Van Berlo is way out of place

WHY?

 

[djom]

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Jordan Lewis 183 cm and 73 kg

must have lost a leg since the end of the season

 

[GOALden Hawk]

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Matt Burgans draft is closer than footydrafts because goalden hawk only looked at the National championships. Burgan takes in all of their ferformances. this is why i think this is closest.

Actually I watched a fair bit more than the National championships. Also had several other people contribute who watched a lot of underage footy as well.

But I don't get to speak to all the clubs like Burgan does - so he is more likely to get a surprise early pick than anyone else (ie Ryan Murphy last year).

He has a pretty good record with Hawthorn - he nailed Boyle at 51 in 2002, and Matty Ball at 51 last year.

 

[French Tiger]

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A few reasons.
*the word is that next years draft will be light on Ruckman.if you consider that 2005 will be Staffords last year.Sure we need a kpp however is there much of a huge difference between a Roughead,Franklin,Willets,Gibson?
Both Meeson + Wood are the 2 standouts as far as the Ruckman go.It takes a Ruckman approx 3 yrs to find his feet at AFL level so why gamble with any one outside of these 2?

cheers!

I see your point,but i think Brisbane would think Brown is more important to the team than Keating & Port would think Treadrea & Cornes are more important than Brogan etc ! Hence why i think we should grab the best kpp available with pick 4 ! But thats just my point of view.

 

[The Hitman]

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Anyone who calls Matt Burgan an idiot for his phantom draft is themselves an idiot. You don't know how much work he has put into it, and ho he speaks to in order to construct it.

His draft is based on what the clubs are most likely to do, not on what he has seen, as opposed to other phantom drafts which are based more on how people who have seen a fair bit of underage football rate the players.

I bet his draft will be a lot closer than any other. It is nearly impossible to get 15% of a phantom draft right; it is such guesswork. Burgan consistently gets more.

The Hitman

P.S. FIGJAM, he's not an Essendon or Carlton fan!

 

[soupofficial]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by French Tiger
Why is a ruckman of such importance to us ? Surely we could use either pick 12 or 16 on a ruckman ! I think we are in more need of kpp players,so hopefully Roughhead or Franklin for pick 4

A few reasons.
*the word is that next years draft will be light on Ruckman.if you consider that 2005 will be Staffords last year.Sure we need a kpp however is there much of a huge difference between a Roughead,Franklin,Willets,Gibson?
Both Meeson + Wood are the 2 standouts as far as the Ruckman go.It takes a Ruckman approx 3 yrs to find his feet at AFL level so why gamble with any one outside of these 2?

cheers!

Good lolz here.

 

[Rise_up_Stiffy]

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I know Chad Gibson, and to see him spoken about in the same breath as franklin just blows my mind. Fail.

 

[escobar75]

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LMAO!!!.....hindsight is a beautiful thing ....aint that right tiger fans...

 

[Mario the Lothario]

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ROUND FOUR

58 - KANGAROOS - Brent Prismall
(Western Jets), 184cm, 83kg

A Victoria Metropolitan representative in 2004, Prismall capped off a fine season by finishing runner-up in the Western Jets best-and-fairest. A skilful and versatile performer who can play in the middle, down back and up forward, Prismall was named in the TAC Cup team of the year. A good decision-maker in the heat of play, he will genuinely come into the mix for the Kangaroos and Geelong in this area. It will be the Roos first 'live' selection in this year's Draft, as they have already secured Jesse W.Smith in the third round.

If only......

 

[Dave The Man]

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Pies Picks:

10 - COLLINGWOOD - Matthew Bate
(Eastern Ranges), 24 May 1987, 191cm, 90kg

When Bate entered 2004 with the knowledge that he would be nominating for this year's Draft, it was only when the draft age was changed in March that it seemed he would be spending another year in the TAC Cup. But in September, several players that were affected by the change, including Bate, received permission by the AFL to nominate for this year's meeting. It brought the talented forward/defender right back into contention. He also enhanced his reputation by winning the 2004 Morrish Medal for the best player in the TAC Cup and now seems certain to be a first-round selection. A member of the TAC Cup team of the year, Bate is a penetrating left-foot kick, with good pace and agility. His agility skills were on show at the 2004 Draft Camp when he recorded a time of 8.37 seconds and reached level 14.1 in the gruelling beep test. Although he is a genuine possibility for Adelaide at number eight, Bate looks set to be Collingwood's first selection, particularly if Russell is taken by Carlton with the previous pick. But if Russell is overlooked by the Blues, the Magpies are likely to swoop, which will put Bate in the picture for Port Adelaide, Richmond and Melbourne at 11, 12 and 13 respectively. Meyer is also another hot tip to be chosen with the Pies first choice.

23 - COLLINGWOOD - Sean Rusling
(West Adelaide), 6 October 1986, 189cm, 84kg

Could he be this year's Andrew Mackie? At this stage, Rusling appears to be the 'smoky' of the 2004 Draft. Although he attended the South Australian state-based screening, Rusling is somewhat of an unknown for several clubs, having played the majority of football at Sacred Heart College in 2004. He played just one match for West Adelaide at SANFL reserves level in 2004 to qualify for this year's meeting. But what is known is that he possesses outstanding athletic ability, outstanding pace and fine skills. He is highly rated by both Collingwood and Essendon and it is believed he could figure earlier rather than later. With Eastern Ranges key forward Travis Cloke already secured via the father/son rule at number 39, the Magpies must decide whether Rusling will be available at number 55 - the club's next 'live' pick. Essendon is back in the selection process at 30, but the Pies are likely to swoop ahead of their arch-rivals. It will be a fascinating choice for the Magpies. But there is also strong mail that other clubs are now sounding him out. Other players in the mix for the Pies include Garner, Toovey, Bain and Northern Knights utility Ryan Jackson.

39 - COLLINGWOOD - Travis Cloke
(Eastern Ranges), 5 March, 195cm, 85kg

Officially, Cloke will be the first of the five father/son selections to be called out in this year's Draft. He joins older brothers Jason and Cameron at Collingwood, after their father David played 114 matches with Magpies from 1983-89. Travis, like his two brothers, also had the option of playing with the Tigers as David played 216 matches for Richmond from 1974-82 and 1990-91. A Victoria Metropolitan representative in the 2004 National Bank's AFL under-18 championships, Cloke is an emerging key forward, with a raking left-foot, who is set to become a pivotal player for the Magpies in the future. Had he been available to every AFL club, it is believed that he would have been a first-round selection.

55 - COLLINGWOOD - Damien McCormack
(Dandenong Stingrays), 28 January 1987, 182cm, 73kg

Versatile type who can play midfield, up forward and down back, McCormack had a fine season for the Dandenong Stingrays, which resulted in a runner-up placing in the club's best-and-fairest award, despite an injury-interrupted start to the season. A beautiful kick and good overhead, McCormack is also a good reader of play. Aside from Collingwood, the Western Bulldogs and Richmond have also attracted keen interest.

Loved the 1st Pick next 2 he got Correct and Last one was Neh

 

[Silvagnis]

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LMAO!!!.....hindsight is a beautiful thing ....aint that right tiger fans...

How are Willetts, Thomson, Ezard and Deluca going for your struggling little club?

You could have drafted Cam Wood who was a local...

Pies Picks:

Loved the 1st Pick next 2 he got Correct and Last one was Neh

The next two picks include a Father-son pick.

You might as well praise Burgan for getting Blackwell right.

9 - CARLTON - Jordan Russell
(West Adelaide), 6 November 1986, 188cm, 78kg

Equally intriguing will be Carlton's first selection in the draft, with two dashers in the mix - West Adelaide's Jordan Russell and Murray Bushrangers Chris Egan. Although Eastern Ranges' ruckman Fabian Deluca, the younger brother of Carlton's Adrian, can't be ruled out of contention either, although he may be in the picture at number 25, it's understood the Blues will be choosing Russell or Egan at number nine. But the situation could be complicated somewhat if Wood is overlooked in favour of Monfries by the Crows at number eight. The Blues are likely to opt for Russell, particularly with Collingwood and Port Adelaide right in the mix for the speedy South Australian. Both the Magpies and the Power have the number 10 and 11 picks. There is also a slim chance that Egan could also slip through to Carlton's second choice at number 25, but it is firmly believed that Russell won't last any longer than the top-15. A midfielder with genuine pace and fine skills, Russell spent most of the season in West Adelaide's senior side, while he also represented South Australia at this year's National Bank's AFL under-18 championships. His pace shone through at the recent Draft Camp when he finished in the top three per cent for speed testing over five, 10 and 20 metres. He also recorded a time of 2.89 seconds for the 20-metre dash.

Great call and inside info.