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Ford Fairlane said:
Mentally he's a mess with a set shot in front of goals. I know people will quote his accuracy at sanfl level but there are a lot of gimmes, soccers off the ground and weird gaelic hook kicks among that tally. That's not his body, that's his head and Port should be working on him with that. I've seen some guys with an awful flat mongrel punt helicopter kick that could split the middle.

Whether that's a psychologist's job, or a set shot kicking coach or a combination of both needs to be worked out by the club. I know Kenny says he's a bit of a WYSIWYG player but that set shot anxiety will ruin his game.
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Kicking set shots is a combo head and mechanics of his ball drop. The answer I gave about body/confidence is about his all round game at the moment.

I'd get him to spend time with Russell Ebert and learn how to kick a drop kick for fun. Learn how to perfect that kick bio-mechanically, and you can master any kick. Barry Cable gives a great lesson in this video.


 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Some posters on here and TPFP wanted Boak traded because he wasn't producing a top 10 performance and never dominated a game. Some of those and others wanted Hartlett traded because he didn't dominate games and was always injured. Others wanted Gray traded because he was always injured. Carlile to fat and slow - trade him. Jacko - can't run properly and has an awkward kick - trade him.


There are a lot of 24/7 pants wetters who don't have any patience and live the disposal lifestyle. Thankfully our recruiters, list managers and coaches don't all think that way.
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I was quite vocal about Lobbe a couple of years ago onTPFP and gave him absolutely no chance of making it. It seemed so sudden that it all just clicked for him.

I've always been a believer that Butch will make it and I reckon we're not to far from the click.
 
Jason K said:
I was quite vocal about Lobbe a couple of years ago onTPFP and gave him absolutely no chance of making it. It seemed so sudden that it all just clicked for him.

I've always been a believer that Butch will make it and I reckon we're not to far from the click.
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It clicked because he built up his body, he stopped getting injured, and like a decent rather than absolute champion ruckmen he took time to develop.

He couldn't have a good run of 10-15 games without getting injured. That turned around last year when he went uninjured and played from Rd 12.
 

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RussellEbertHandball said:
Kicking set shots is a combo head and mechanics of his ball drop. The answer I gave about body/confidence is about his all round game at the moment.

I'd get him to spend time with Russell Ebert and learn how to kick a drop kick for fun. Learn how to perfect that kick bio-mechanically, and you can master any kick. Barry Cable gives a great lesson in this video.
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It would be interesting to see him at training. I'd almost bet he's very accurate and the kicking action isn't too bad. But he tenses up in front of goals in games and just reverts back to the old two handed ball drop close the eyes and hope for the best.

The other guy who had a lethal but different action was Stephen Williams. He would place his hand on the point of the ball and spear it into his kicking foot. Almost like he was shaping for a drop kick but executing a drop punt. Maybe something a little different like that, which he would have to concentrate on doing, would help. But then that will probably mess with his field kicking. *sigh*
 
Jason K said:
I was quite vocal about Lobbe a couple of years ago onTPFP and gave him absolutely no chance of making it. It seemed so sudden that it all just clicked for him.

I've always been a believer that Butch will make it and I reckon we're not to far from the click.
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I remember seeing Lobbe play against the blue baggers at Unley about 3 seasons ago, he had an absolute Barry Crocker and I thought at the time his spot on the Power list was probably under threat.

A week or two later Dean Brogan got injured and Lobbe got the call up as the only ruckman left standing, he grabbed the opportunity with both hands and the rest as they say, is history.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
It would be interesting to see him at training. I'd almost bet he's very accurate and the kicking action isn't too bad. But he tenses up in front of goals in games and just reverts back to the old two handed ball drop close the eyes and hope for the best.

The other guy who had a lethal but different action was Stephen Williams. He would place his hand on the point of the ball and spear it into his kicking foot. Almost like he was shaping for a drop kick but executing a drop punt. Maybe something a little different like that, which he would have to concentrate on doing, would help. But then that will probably mess with his field kicking. *sigh*
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As long as at works. The only technique I want to see him steer clear of is Josh Kennedy's sewing machine action
 
Ford Fairlane said:
It would be interesting to see him at training. I'd almost bet he's very accurate and the kicking action isn't too bad. But he tenses up in front of goals in games and just reverts back to the old two handed ball drop close the eyes and hope for the best.

The other guy who had a lethal but different action was Stephen Williams. He would place his hand on the point of the ball and spear it into his kicking foot. Almost like he was shaping for a drop kick but executing a drop punt. Maybe something a little different like that, which he would have to concentrate on doing, would help. But then that will probably mess with his field kicking. *sigh*
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I loved Stephen Williams' kicking style and its effectiveness.
 
I_Dont_Care said:
I'm starting to think that that flurry of goals Butch kicked in the AFL late in the 2011 season has done more damage to him than his injuries, well confidence wise anyway
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Supporter expectation wise.
Didn't he have both his hips operated on at the end of last year thus restricting his pre season?
IIRC Hinkley said he had all the tools but they (the club) had to see if his body could stand up to AFL.
 

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RussellEbertHandball said:
Some posters on here and TPFP wanted Boak traded because he wasn't producing a top 10 performance and never dominated a game. Some of those and others wanted Hartlett traded because he didn't dominate games and was always injured. Others wanted Gray traded because he was always injured. Carlile to fat and slow - trade him. Jacko - can't run properly and has an awkward kick - trade him.


There are a lot of 24/7 pants wetters who don't have any patience and live the disposal lifestyle. Thankfully our recruiters, list managers and coaches don't all think that way.
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To be fair would all these players have come on if the fab four (KT,Kochie,Ken and Burgo) hadn't come together, that's what makes what's happening here so special, the stars are aligning. Sometimes change for the better has to start with looking inside yourselves and making a conscious decision to change and the club did that in every way then the players just followed the leaders.
Either which way this a chance to set the club on for consistent greater glories because the key to greatness is now known to the club (working harder than ever before thought possible).
 
PAFC United said:
if he wasnt a top 10 pick he'd be treated the same as stewart
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n4nirvana said:
Butch in 2008 as an underager at the champs

@ 2:09 into the video - described as "generally a very accurate kick at goal"

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Did we get to see Moore and Heath in that clip?
 
Just as an aside, Butch's set shot kicking looked more fluid this weekend. Not great, but certainly better
 
crafty_bernardo said:
Well from what I've read on this board, Butcher had the better game yesterday.
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Yeah Butcher had a better game up forward against South than Harvey did. Either deliberately via Hocking, or just the way the game went, Butch was really the sole stay at home tall forward. Harvey was used in ruck a few times but if those two were competing Butch took the points. I say this from my memories of when I was at the game. I've only watched the 1st quarter of the TV recording.
 

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He was almost dominant up forward by the games end . South apparently has the most miserly defence ( apart from us ) .
Didn't see Harvey much strangely .
He's not far away Butch , healthy dose of confidence wouldn't go astray though
 
maybe he needs to do a few shows at madam josephines for the ladies, because he gets serious stage fright. His kicking at training is very good possibly even better than that don't like using excellent as a description unless your talking about ablett. then at SANFL level it drops off slightly. even though his second half was fairly good. then AFL level it drops further.
 
His field kicking is more than passable and at times close to perfect.
Ablett n Carey as they ran in on set shots both moved slightly to the right
thus kicking across their bodies. Both of them only ever kicked it as far as was necessary
no 50mt kicks if only 30 was needed.
Like the putting yips in golf start kicking from 10meters out then 11 then 12 etc.
If and when you missed then back to 10meters and repeat.
Surely its solvable. Didn't Lyndsay Thomas of the Roos fix his problem?
 
Hellgood said:
Harvey certainly has impressed in the SANFL, but his performances have not been better than Butcher's.
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Butchers stats are very flattering. He has not played the way he needs to play and has fallen behind Harvey, Haren and Bruggerman as a key forward option.

He has been the 3rd tall, more of an opportunist really, and forced into defence some weeks to get a touch. Lots of cheap goals.

but he was good this week, cept for the goalkicking. Renouf didn't play so Bruggerman, Haren and Harvey did more ruck work which meant there was an opportunity for Butcher to be the main man up forward. He is gonna need to hold that spot now when Renouf comes back.
 
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