Bye bye Clarkson

[Billy Not Really]

Coaching is not just about game plan & moving players on the whiteboard.
It’s about getting your players in the right head space & being motivational too .
Yes , player development & experience take time . But putting your body on the line & putting manic pressure on the opposition when you don’t have the ball comes from within as an all in team before running onto to the ground.
Coaches job

The coach isn't the player, you essentially agreed with me in your assessment that they're verbal instructions have to translate to actions on behalf of the player, that's why its called COACHING and not 'I have surrogated my brain and physical effort into the player to be my conduit' -- it's not that simple and the onus of blame doesn't fall squarely on the head coach in actuality, but the kneejerk reactions of sports fans place that blame on them.

Also, you're asking us to again further degrade the sport by becoming like every other and firing coaches left and right within 1-2 years like the NBA, NFL, FIFA etc. do.

You won't convince me it's not a dumb idea, period. Wanna know how I know? Because its never worked out well in any sport, let alone our own sport and we've had our own proof multiple times over. It turned a 1-3 year build into 6, and it's not done yet.

 

[RossHenshaw]

The coach isn't the player, you essentially agreed with me in your assessment that they're verbal instructions have to translate to actions on behalf of the player, that's why its called COACHING and not 'I have surrogated my brain and physical effort into the player to be my conduit' -- it's not that simple and the onus of blame doesn't fall squarely on the head coach in actuality, but the kneejerk reactions of sports fans place that blame on them.

Also, you're asking us to again further degrade the sport by becoming like every other and firing coaches left and right within 1-2 years like the NBA, NFL, FIFA etc. do.

You won't convince me it's not a dumb idea, period. Wanna know how I know? Because its never worked out well in any sport, let alone our own sport and we've had our own proof multiple times over. It turned a 1-3 year build into 6, and it's not done yet.

Your opinion, just like anyone is entitled to on this thread the era of old coaches has changed in almost every professional sport . The demographics now moving to younger recently retired players who have done a 4-5 years assistant coach apprenticeship & moved into senior coaching…

 

[Billy Not Really]

Your opinion, just like anyone is entitled to on this thread the era of old coaches has changed in almost every professional sport . The demographics now moving to younger recently retired players who have done a 4-5 years assistant coach apprenticeship & moved into senior coaching…

We had one already, he quit. Younger coaches haven't proven anything yet.

 

[RossHenshaw]

We had one already, he quit. Younger coaches haven't proven anything yet.

Mitchell at the Hawks with half our talent & shit tone of injuries are showing more.
Wait till next week when they beat us …. All hell will break loose . Think Clarko is under the pump now ….
This week west coast to knock off tigers …
Leaving us & the hawks on zero points meeting each other next week …

 

[Harris 10]

Your opinion, just like anyone is entitled to on this thread the era of old coaches has changed in almost every professional sport . The demographics now moving to younger recently retired players who have done a 4-5 years assistant coach apprenticeship & moved into senior coaching…

I don’t follow any European sports, but all current USA champion head coaches are of a decent age.
What are some examples you could give of successful young coaches?

 

[RossHenshaw]

I don’t follow any European sports, but all current USA champion head coaches are of a decent age.
What are some examples you could give of successful young coaches?

Younger than 50 mate

 

[krakouers]

I don’t follow any European sports, but all current USA champion head coaches are of a decent age.
What are some examples you could give of successful young coaches?

From English Football, Arteta and De Zerbi the only ones below 45 doing well in the premier league?

A couple of people though

List of current Premier League and English Football League managers - Wikipedia

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Usually, like AFL you do a stint at lower clubs or are assistants, plenty of young managers at lower levels doing well, but the bigger clubs usually hire experienced

 

[Billy Not Really]

Mitchell at the Hawks with half our talent & s**t tone of injuries are showing more.
Wait till next week when they beat us …. All hell will break loose . Think Clarko is under the pump now ….
This week west coast to knock off tigers …
Leaving us & the hawks on zero points meeting each other next week …

Wake me up when Mitchell wins a premiership. His team hasn't been that impressive looking at the tenure in totality so far.

 

[krakouers]

From English Football, Arteta and De Zerbi the only ones below 45 doing well in the premier league?

A couple of people though

List of current Premier League and English Football League managers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Usually, like AFL you do a stint at lower clubs or are assistants, plenty of young managers at lower levels doing well, but the bigger clubs usually hire experienced

Further to this, the two teams most likely to make the jump next year into the Premier League, both guys are less than 45

 

[chubbspeterson]

Mitchell at the Hawks with half our talent & s**t tone of injuries are showing more.
Wait till next week when they beat us …. All hell will break loose . Think Clarko is under the pump now ….
This week west coast to knock off tigers …
Leaving us & the hawks on zero points meeting each other next week …

Mitchell has had a settled coaching and development program with no interruptions at all and I would say has had a group of at least 16 players who have played together a lot more often the last few years. Especially his midfield core of Newcombe/McKenzie/Worpel/Moore etc. and defensive group with Sicily/Weddle/Frost or Blank/Jiath/Scrimshaw/Impey types.
Our forward mix of Larkey/Stevo/Zurhaar/Curtis have had some games together but CCJ was injured and Duursma is new.
Our back six is completely new to each other except for Corr and LMac.
I'm not even sure that Wardlaw/LDU/Powell all actually played a game together last year so that's a new midfield finding its way.
Nah Tigers will beat West Coast. Shai Bolton, Dusty and Rioli will be the difference.

 

[Only Forwards]

Mitchell has had a settled coaching and development program with no interruptions at all and I would say has had a group of at least 16 players who have played together a lot more often the last few years. Especially his midfield core of Newcombe/McKenzie/Worpel/Moore etc. and defensive group with Sicily/Weddle/Frost or Blank/Jiath/Scrimshaw/Impey types.
Our forward mix of Larkey/Stevo/Zurhaar/Curtis have had some games together but CCJ was injured and Duursma is new.
Our back six is completely new to each other except for Corr and LMac.
I'm not even sure that Wardlaw/LDU/Powell all actually played a game together last year so that's a new midfield finding its way.
Nah Tigers will beat West Coast. Shai Bolton, Dusty and Rioli will be the difference.

You are screaming into infinite nothingness.

You’re trying to rationally debate irrational drivel.

 

[chubbspeterson]

You are screaming into infinite nothingness.

You’re trying to rationally debate irrational drivel.

Yep some old men just want to yell at clouds I guess.

 

[Gasometer]

So mid 50’s is old

What a crock

I finished watching DeNiro and Scorcese a couple of weeks back on their latest masterpiece

Larry David finished off this week as a 76 year old in one of the greatest tv comedies in history

The best surgeons in the world are those with age and experience

Clarko is still in it regardless of age. He sees this as his final legacy, bringing a Flag to his first Club, and if he gets there he will be probably be Nmfc Coach of the Century based on how poor we were.

It begs the question, after almost a week of this thread Roscoe,

 

[RossHenshaw]

From English Football, Arteta and De Zerbi the only ones below 45 doing well in the premier league?

A couple of people though

List of current Premier League and English Football League managers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Usually, like AFL you do a stint at lower clubs or are assistants, plenty of young managers at lower levels doing well, but the bigger clubs usually hire experienced

What’s bloody soccer got to do with AFL ? EPL is one league where they have coaches go around a merry go around till they are in an old people’s home .
Look at current coaches in the AFL , NRL etc

 

[RightWingRoo]

Your opinion, just like anyone is entitled to on this thread the era of old coaches has changed in almost every professional sport . The demographics now moving to younger recently retired players who have done a 4-5 years assistant coach apprenticeship & moved into senior coaching…

I assume you're referring to McRae and Kingsley?

Both did an apprenticeship of over a decade as an assistant at multiple clubs. McRae was 48 when he coached his first game. Kingsley was 47.
Mitchell is an outlier in the current coaches, only doing a short apprenticeship. Have to go back to the Scott bros and Hardwick a decade earlier.
Early days for Yze, but he's another with a decade long stint as an assistant, before getting a senior gig.

 

[hilly]

Larry David finished off this week as a 76 year old in one of the greatest tv comedies in history

Agree it was pretty good. Pretty pret-tay good.

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[hilly]

What’s bloody soccer got to do with AFL ? EPL is one league where they have coaches go around a merry go around till they are in an old people’s home .
Look at current coaches in the AFL , NRL etc

'Almost every professional sport' stick to the fax machine Fossil.

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[Gasometer]

Agree it was pretty good. Pretty pret-tay good.

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[Marstermind]

Younger than 50 mate

The team who thrashed us last week, and caused you to start this stupid thread, is coached by a bloke who turns 63 this year. He was 55 when he coached his first game. The coach who beat him in the Grand Final last year turned 50 that week.

I'll listen to reasoned discussion about the game plan and selection because I can see those things for myself. I'll take a mild interest in how the coach motivates the players but as I don't know anyone who sits in on any team meetings, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

But if the argument for sacking a 4-time premiership coach after 17 games, and nearly four years left on his contract comes down to "He's too old", then I know the argument is friggin ridiculous.

 

[Devil Fish]

The team who thrashed us last week, and caused you to start this stupid thread, is coached by a bloke who turns 63 this year. He was 55 when he coached his first game. The coach who beat him in the Grand Final last year turned 50 that week.

I'll listen to reasoned discussion about the game plan and selection because I can see those things for myself. I'll take a mild interest in how the coach motivates the players but as I don't know anyone who sits in on any team meetings, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

But if the argument for sacking a 4-time premiership coach after 17 games, and nearly four years left on his contract comes down to "He's too old", then I know the argument is friggin ridiculous.

100%.

No matter who coached this current list - we'd be in the same position.

As I've said from Day One - if Clarko got this list competitive within his 5 year tenure, it would be his greatest coaching achievement. Bar none. There's no Buddy, no Roughead, no Cyril, no Lewis, no Mitchell, no Hodge...... He has been handed a shlt sandwich.

I will say though, I am disappointed that our effort has been sub-par under Clarko - I thought Maximum Effort would be not negotiable under Clarko's reign.

I'm not convinced Clarko is the coach he once was, but we'll find out over the next 2-3 years.

 

[RossHenshaw]

The team who thrashed us last week, and caused you to start this stupid thread, is coached by a bloke who turns 63 this year. He was 55 when he coached his first game. The coach who beat him in the Grand Final last year turned 50 that week.

I'll listen to reasoned discussion about the game plan and selection because I can see those things for myself. I'll take a mild interest in how the coach motivates the players but as I don't know anyone who sits in on any team meetings, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

But if the argument for sacking a 4-time premiership coach after 17 games, and nearly four years left on his contract comes down to "He's too old", then I know the argument is friggin ridiculous.

I said MAJORITY of sports that matter.
Let’s just go the AFL apart from Clarko , Fagan &

100%.

No matter who coached this current list - we'd be in the same position.

As I've said from Day One - if Clarko got this list competitive within his 5 year tenure, it would be his greatest coaching achievement. Bar none. There's no Buddy, no Roughead, no Cyril, no Lewis, no Mitchell, no Hodge...... He has been handed a shlt sandwich.

I will say though, I am disappointed that our effort has been sub-par under Clarko - I thought Maximum Effort would be not negotiable under Clarko's reign.

I'm not convinced Clarko is the coach he once was, but we'll find out over the next 2-3 years.

Agree with you . Thank you .
The last 2 paragraphs are what I’ve been trying to say for the week! You said it so much better.

 

[Passmore]

I said MAJORITY of sports that matter.
Let’s just go the AFL apart from Clarko , Fagan &

Agree with you . Thank you .
The last 2 paragraphs are what I’ve been trying to say for the week! You said it so much better.

Rename the thread to "Bye, bye Clarkson....maybe in 2 years...."

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[koshari]

Mitchell at the Hawks with half our talent & s**t tone of injuries are showing more.
Wait till next week when they beat us …. All hell will break loose . Think Clarko is under the pump now ….
This week west coast to knock off tigers …
Leaving us & the hawks on zero points meeting each other next week …

Really... What 1 or 2 games a season they are tracking better than us.

I honestly think some people refuse to acknowledge how poor our list got.

Turner- this isnt a sledge on him but the fact we couldnt displace him in his final 2 years is an achievement in itself.

Mahony- again not a pot on the little aussie battler but a 2nd rounder for a bloke that would have been available in the rookie draft?

Ccj - 4 season contract, enough said.

The congaline of queensland state leaguers we took with 2nd rounders. The whole tt/polec debarcle which refreshingly cant fairly pin on the recruiters but added to our list woes just the same.

Kpp stocks at one stage consisting of larkey and the house riding on chom.

And this hardly even scratches the surface of how poor the recruiting was that led to the list clarko inherited.

And sorry but we are still miles away. Would be a miracle to play finals before 2027 before our current core start to get 75 to 120 games under their belts!

 

[Val Keating]

100%.

No matter who coached this current list - we'd be in the same position.

As I've said from Day One - if Clarko got this list competitive within his 5 year tenure, it would be his greatest coaching achievement. Bar none. There's no Buddy, no Roughead, no Cyril, no Lewis, no Mitchell, no Hodge...... He has been handed a shlt sandwich.

I will say though, I am disappointed that our effort has been sub-par under Clarko - I thought Maximum Effort would be not negotiable under Clarko's reign.

I'm not convinced Clarko is the coach he once was, but we'll find out over the next 2-3 years.

His coaching style will change as the list develops. No point being a Noble style tantrum thrower with a young list that’s literally incapable of performing to the standard of a premiership contender.

 

[Only Forwards]

I honestly think some people refuse to acknowledge how poor our list got.

If you acknowledge context it diminishes the ability to doom spiral.