Cam Rayner

[JD888]

Danster168, is there actually some sort of history between you and Cam Rayner?

 

[Greenswan]

I just had to look up Cam Rayner’s age and couldn’t believe that he was still only 23. The way some people are talking in this thread you’d think he was 28 and approaching the other side of the hill.

We’ve been spoiled by guys like Nick Daicos and Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

who have been able to come in and produce from day one. Not every one is like that. We all mature at different rates. I think we all forget Petracca took a few years before it really clicked for him. People were wondering why De Goey was able to impact games while Petracca couldn’t with them being from the same draft class. Then Petracca just went bang and the rest is history.

Rayner has shown me enough glimpses of breaking tackles or taking pack marks that if any of you are selling your stock I’m buying all of it. It still might not click for another two years but then that could be followed by 7 years of top shelf footy which could deliver the Lions a flag.

Don’t write these guys off too early.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Cam is the very definition of x-factor. Average possession/ high impact player.

 

[augie]

How's it a ridiculous comment? I'm saying they are a similar type of player as they have similar attributes. Elliot has clearly done more in his career as he's been around a lot longer.

What you said is that Rayner has better skills and creativity. He doesn't.

 

[Roylion]

I just had to look up Cam Rayner’s age and couldn’t believe that he was still only 23. The way some people are talking in this thread you’d think he was 28 and approaching the other side of the hill.

Rayner has played 102 senior games already (including six finals), after missing the entire 2021 season through injury. Only four #1 picks have got to the same mark before their 23rd birthday – 2006 #1 Bryce Gibbs, 2004 #1 Brett Deledio, 1991 #1 Josh Fraser and 2003 #1 Adam Cooney.

He's currently entrenched in the best 22 of a top four team vying for the premiership and given his age would be yet to reach his prime as an AFL footballer.

Barring injury, Rayner will play 250+ games before his career ends in 7-8 years time. Hopefully there's 1-2 premierships in there while he plays for the Lions (contracted until 2025). If so, that's a good return on a #1 draft pick.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

What you said is that Rayner has better skills and creativity. He doesn't.

What you said was Rayner is not fit to clean his boots. The fact that Rayner has better numbers in pretty much every stat in the game kinda ruins your story doesn’t it.

 

[scott_the_man]

What you said is that Rayner has better skills and creativity. He doesn't.

Disagree. Elliot is a crafty forward and is excellent at what he does but is not as skilful as Rayner. Rayner has been inconsistent but the freakish talent is there. Consistency will come with time.

 

[janty]

No Fritsch, no Melbourne?

Perhaps Bayley is the most important player to the Dees.

 

[scott_the_man]

No Fritsch, no Melbourne?

Perhaps Bayley is the most important player to the Dees.

If only the superstar Charlie Spargo could have came in to fill the void.

 

[Elixuh]

Shame that Spargo couldn't break into a team that just lost to what was 14th on the ladder, Danster keeps telling us what a star he is!

 

[mpal6]

Rayner has played 102 senior games already (including six finals), after missing the entire 2021 season through injury. Only four #1 picks have got to the same mark before their 23rd birthday – 2006 #1 Bryce Gibbs, 2004 #1 Brett Deledio, 1991 #1 Josh Fraser and 2003 #1 Adam Cooney.

He's currently entrenched in the best 22 of a top four team vying for the premiership and given his age would be yet to reach his prime as an AFL footballer.

Barring injury, Rayner will play 250+ games before his career ends in 7-8 years time. Hopefully there's 1-2 premierships in there while he plays for the Lions (contracted until 2025). If so, that's a good return on a #1 draft pick.

There is a window of him going to the midfield permanently when Neale starts slowing down. If he ups the endurance side even by 25%, he'll be a beast through the middle as his other traits like hard to tackle and able to create play will be a great fit.

This Rayner transition to midfield would've been forced on him already if Dunkley didn't arrive. but the other aspect is we may not even use it if Ashcroft brothers take over in the middle.

 

[danster168]

Rayner 8 possessions...

Outperformed by Spargo.

 

[Elixuh]

Rayner 8 possessions...

Outperformed by Spargo.

You can’t compare spargos vfl numbers to rayners afl numbers surely…

 

[danster168]

You can’t compare spargos vfl numbers to rayners afl numbers surely…

I'm being fececious re: Spargo.

But Rayner needs to be better. I don't care how deep he's playing. He must be better.

 

[00Stinger]

Did he play tonight?

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[Elixuh]

I'm being fececious re: Spargo.

But Rayner needs to be better. I don't care how deep he's playing. He must be better.

Don’t melb vfl have a bye this week so spargo won’t even play this week

 

[KissKiss]

Did he play tonight?

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Barely. Was absent for so much of the night. Gubston back and forcing him into the 4th or 5th spot just means he goes completely missing

 

[Nunez]

Imagine being Danster lol.

 

[Toump Ass]

No Fritsch, no Melbourne?

Perhaps Bayley is the most important player to the Dees.

No Fritsch, No Oliver… no worries.

As an aside, Cam Rayner.
Invisible.

 

[Natho]

Did he play tonight?

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I'm curious to know also.

 

[My Tilly]

What’s the matter could not find anything negative to say about Brisbane’s performance last night so had to narrow it down to one player?

8 touches is bad.
Gary Rohan averages about that many touches but he kicks goals.

Rayner's shaping up as one of the worst no.1 draft picks of all time.

 

[Corkintheocean]

8 touches is bad.
Gary Rohan averages about that many touches but he kicks goals.

Rayner's shaping up as one of the worst no.1 draft picks of all time.

In with the Watts, Patton, McCartin, McGrath group..

Would place him in the bottom 5 in the last 30 years.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Rayner has played 102 senior games already (including six finals), after missing the entire 2021 season through injury. Only four #1 picks have got to the same mark before their 23rd birthday – 2006 #1 Bryce Gibbs, 2004 #1 Brett Deledio, 1991 #1 Josh Fraser and 2003 #1 Adam Cooney.

He's currently entrenched in the best 22 of a top four team vying for the premiership and given his age would be yet to reach his prime as an AFL footballer.

Barring injury, Rayner will play 250+ games before his career ends in 7-8 years time. Hopefully there's 1-2 premierships in there while he plays for the Lions (contracted until 2025). If so, that's a good return on a #1 draft pick.

Devil's advocate...

When clubs select a Pick 1, if you remove the multiple premierships hypothetical part of your post - would that be what they hope for?

Simply a decent 250 game player?


Obviously if they win some flags, then that changes things. But just being a decent 250 gamer in a decent team isn't really hitting the jackpot, is it?

Or maybe it is? I mean it could be worse.

But as devil's advocate, I'd say it's a bit disappointing. Maybe for a top 10-20 pick that would be a big win. But for a number 1 guy, you're surely expecting flags, Captaincy, awards etc.?

I reckon when a club uses Pick 1 on someone, the minimum expectation is that at some point in their career, they're in the conversation of the 'best player in the game'.

 

[augie]

Was it Jack Dyer who said "he keeps getting where the ball aint"? Accurate description of Rayner last night.

 

[demondavey]

There is a window of him going to the midfield permanently when Neale starts slowing down. If he ups the endurance side even by 25%, he'll be a beast through the middle as his other traits like hard to tackle and able to create play will be a great fit.

This Rayner transition to midfield would've been forced on him already if Dunkley didn't arrive. but the other aspect is we may not even use it if Ashcroft brothers take over in the middle.

‘Even by 25%’

That’s a lot.