Cam Rayner

[danster168]

Oof. But I thought he did break out. Has he gone back in?

breaking out is a break-out season. not a break out 4 games. 15.6 touches and 1.1 goals isn't horrific. But you didn't draft a number 1 pick for this. I'll have to do my review but around 20-33 other players from the 2017 draft have produced more.

 

[danster168]

Danny you're struggling to keep your story straight, its sad to see what the catastrophe in Demonland this week has done to your brain.

lol what catastrophe? Literally nothing has changed other than an article from Tom Morris.

 

[Delisted]

Danny you're struggling to keep your story straight, its sad to see what the catastrophe in Demonland this week has done to your brain.

BTW. Did you see viney after the game when asked if he'd re sign? Wasn't to convincing...

 

[Delisted]

breaking out is a break-out season. not a break out 4 games. 15.6 touches and 1.1 goals isn't horrific. But you didn't draft a number 1 pick for this. I'll have to do my review but around 20-33 other players from the 2017 draft have produced more.

Guess I'll just have to wait for the must read review.

 

[Elixuh]

lol what catastrophe? Literally nothing has changed other than an article from Tom Morris.

Danny it would be quicker to name the players at the mighty Dees who don't want out at this stage. Very sad times.

 

[Elixuh]

BTW. Did you see viney after the game when asked if he'd re sign? Wasn't to convincing...

Yeah, unfortunately I think the old vin dog is off to be with his dad at Norf.

 

[My Tilly]

Curious - on what basis?

The weekend just gone is the first time we’ve lost this year after leading at three quarter time - 8 points, to a quality side in the Giants.

We’ve managed to turn deficits of 15 points against Melbourne and Sydney, into wins, in the last 7 weeks.

If you have evidence of us not delivering “under severe stress” I’d be open to hearing it.

That loss is indicative of the Fagan era.

 

[paulige]

That loss is indicative of the Fagan era.

Little slow on the response, but I appreciate the thought nonetheless.

At the time of posting, we had surrendered one three quarter time lead this year (and stolen two).

What was your evidence for a third of the players not delivering “under severe stress” in the final quarter?

 

[My Tilly]

Little slow on the response, but I appreciate the thought nonetheless.

At the time of posting, we had surrendered one three quarter time lead this year (and stolen two).

What was your evidence for a third of the players not delivering “under severe stress” in the final quarter?

You are currently a premiership calibre team, no?
Collingwood are missing De Goey, Mihocek & Mitchell and are effectively a slender chance for finals and you lose like that.

Lachie Neale is supposedly this all time great midfielder and yet, time and time again he goes missing in these crunch games.
Too many blokes waiting for others to lead.

 

[SA HAWK]

Little slow on the response, but I appreciate the thought nonetheless.

At the time of posting, we had surrendered one three quarter time lead this year (and stolen two).

What was your evidence for a third of the players not delivering “under severe stress” in the final quarter?

The whole team shat their pants in the last 10 minutes.

I really wanted Brisbane to win too.

 

[paulige]

You are currently a premiership calibre team, no?
Collingwood are missing De Goey, Mihocek & Mitchell and are effectively a slender chance for finals and you lose like that.

Lachie Neale is supposedly this all time great midfielder and yet, time and time again he goes missing in these crunch games.
Too many blokes waiting for others to lead.

You made the comment prior to yesterday - what was the evidence?

As I said - facts were at the time we’d come from behind at three quarter time twice in the previous 7 weeks (15 points twice). And surrendered a three quarter time lead once (8 points). I suppose we get no credit for the former, but are crap due to the latter.

I’ll ignore the drive-by on Neale - I can tell when someone has a bone to pick.

 

[Dazb86]

Who was the Essendon #1 draft pick a while back?

 

[Cdog71]

You made the comment prior to yesterday - what was the evidence?

As I said - facts were at the time we’d come from behind at three quarter time twice in the previous 7 weeks (15 points twice). And surrendered a three quarter time lead once (8 points). I suppose we get no credit for the former, but are crap due to the latter.

I’ll ignore the drive-by on Neale - I can tell when someone has a bone to pick.

Perhaps Cam is the new “Barometer”?

Pretty telling when commentators point out Bailey as having a disappointing season, not able to play close to his best.
Though he still had more of an impact than Raynor and got himself into more situations to influence the game.
Raynor is the new “Barometer”

 

[danster168]

Yeah, unfortunately I think the old vin dog is off to be with his dad at Norf.

lol clearly it's just an act to get his current offer improved. come on now

 

[Elixuh]

lol clearly it's just an act to get his current offer improved. come on now

Oh no! Petracca meeting Lachie Neale and fagan Danny. It’s over.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/christian-petracca-spotted-meeting-brisbane-lions-captain-lachie-neale/news-story/64367ca6e0b69c8b7919f6327d1f54bc?amp

 

[danster168]

Oh no! Petracca meeting Lachie Neale and fagan Danny. It’s over.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/christian-petracca-spotted-meeting-brisbane-lions-captain-lachie-neale/news-story/64367ca6e0b69c8b7919f6327d1f54bc?amp

haha embarassing. thought you'd be a bit sharper than this.

 

[Elixuh]

haha embarassing. thought you'd be a bit sharper than this.

7 year contract Trac man is just trying to up his value for his 3035 contract, am I right Danny?

 

[danster168]

7 year contract Trac man is just trying to up his value for his 3035 contract, am I right Danny?

what would Brisbane give us. There's literally nothing that you could give us in the 0.0003% chance that he goes to Brisbane

 

[danster168]

Shoutout to one of the best ruckman in the league, Tristan Xerri

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. Another guy that Brisbane should've taken.

 

[paulige]

what would Brisbane give us. There's literally nothing that you could give us in the 0.0003% chance that he goes to Brisbane

 

[Delisted]

Shoutout to one of the best ruckman in the league, Tristan Xerri. Another guy that Brisbane should've taken.

They could of drafted him 72 times Dan.

 

[paulige]

Shoutout to one of the best ruckman in the league, Tristan Xerri. Another guy that Brisbane should've taken.

You do understand why this reasoning is flawed, right?

Or… are you suggesting clubs rated Xerri in the mix for pick 1 at the time, and Brisbane were negligent in not taking him there?

I also don’t understand how we were supposed to take the 30-something players we “should’ve taken” with our solitary pick.

 

[danster168]

You do understand why this reasoning is flawed, right?

Or… are you suggesting clubs rated Xerri in the mix for pick 1 at the time, and Brisbane were negligent in not taking him there?

I also don’t understand how we were supposed to take the 30-something players we “should’ve taken” with our solitary pick.

You could've taken any one of them. Yes, as you point out it's retrospective. So yes, at the time, I'm sure the pool of pick 1 options wasn't that many. But yes, retrospectively, and hypothetically, had you have picked up any of the other 20-30 players, you'd probably have an extra flag or 2.

 

[schmuttt]

It's strange because for someone who lauds big game players such as Dustin Martin, your positive reinforcement for Rayner as a player goes against the grain.

Cameron Rayner will always be a tantalizing prospect. Nothing more than that really. Think of Jake Stringer if you will.

Insulting to stringer tbh, at least he has an AA jumper and a few 40+ goal seasons.

Danster gets a lot wrong but he’s absolutely spot on in here about Rayner - guy is one of the worst pick 1s this century.

 

[paulige]

You could've taken any one of them. Yes, as you point out it's retrospective. So yes, at the time, I'm sure the pool of pick 1 options wasn't that many. But yes, retrospectively, and hypothetically, had you have picked up any of the other 20-30 players, you'd probably have an extra flag or 2.

It’s not even that it’s retrospective - it’s that you’re living in fantasy land even suggesting it. It (picking any of those other 20-30 players you suggest) is simply not a thing that any other club would have done under any circumstance, were they to hold pick 1 that year.

The reality is that each year there is typically 1 or 2 players that would be genuinely considered with pick 1.

What I mean by that, is if you were to give any of the 18 clubs pick 1 and say “have at it”, they would all choose the same 2, maybe 3 players - in many cases, like last year, I think it would be unanimous, with all 18 choosing Harley Reid.

In Rayner’s year, I don’t think it’s an outrageous statement to say that a large number of clubs would have picked him - it may have been unanimous. I have zero recollection of the draft, but this is what Cal Twomey had to say in his phantom draft, where he had Rayner #1:

Rayner is the standout player in the pool and one who can change games in a matter of minutes, which has been why he has been touted as the likely No.1 pick for most of the year.

Pontificating about how we could have chosen a host of other players is absurdity - it’s simply not grounded in reality. It’s highly likely that every other club would’ve done the exact same thing as us.

You’d actually make a better argument saying taking Toby Wooller at 41 “cost us a flag” because Myers, Moore and Xerri ended up going in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. That obviously batshit insane, but it’s more realistic than “you should’ve taken someone else at pick 1”.


And that all said… I still have no issue with our choice. He’s still 24, just put together a good couple of months with some patches of brilliance.

Been less impactful the last two, averaging 16 disposals, 2 scoring shots, 2 clearances, 3 inside 50’s. Convert his opportunities (kicked 0.4) and it’s not bad - not brilliant, but not bad.

If these are his down weeks though, that’s okay - he’ll fire up soon enough.