Cam Rayner

[Happy_Neale]

It's implied that more goals means per game. Otherwise you're factoring in injuries which is silly. Unless you use injuries as a way to measure a player on field impact...

How about you focus on the Brisbane fan that said 'who goes out for Fritsch'. Focus your energy on that ridiculous suggestion. When all of the research should be put into 'which Brisbane fwds would stay in the forward line alongside to allow for Fritsch'.

More = more

Hope this helps

 

[Junction Lion]

6 out of 10. wow. a blinder..and was nowhere to be seen when the game was on the line. Absolute downhill skier

Hmm...Prelim Final when the game was on the line all day.

 

[Miluxx]

Hmm...Prelim Final when the game was on the line all day.
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Don't let facts get in the way of Danny's ridiculous argument.

 

[paulige]

#Cam4CEO

 

[mighty_lions]

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#Cam4CEO

cul cha

 

[danster168]

Hmm...Prelim Final when the game was on the line all day.
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Love the shift from grand final to prelim, unprompted.

 

[Junction Lion]

Love the shift from grand final to prelim, unprompted.

Just proving that he is not an “absolute downhill skier” as you so wrongly stated. A few more problems at your Dees than worrying about Cam. He could add a lot to your culture.

 

[Junction Lion]

Love the shift from grand final to prelim, unprompted.

Nothing wrong with a 6 out of 10 for a GF. We’ve moved on from there and are addressing your BS statement.

 

[danster168]

Nothing wrong with a 6 out of 10 for a GF. We’ve moved on from there and are addressing your BS statement.

which statement? I said he was the 18th or 19th rated Lion in the granny and he did nothing in the first half.

 

[danster168]

More = more

Hope this helps

yeah. and when Fritsch plays, he kicks more.

 

[Junction Lion]

which statement? I said he was the 18th or 19th rated Lion in the granny and he did nothing in the first half.

Obviously the downhill skier statement. I just showed you that he isn’t.

 

[danster168]

Obviously the downhill skier statement. I just showed you that he isn’t.

name the biggest downhill skier in the league, and I'll show you a game where they kicked a goal in a clutch moment

 

[Junction Lion]

name the biggest downhill skier in the league, and I'll show you a game where they kicked a goal in a clutch moment

Bayley Fritsch?

 

[Junction Lion]

name the biggest downhill skier in the league, and I'll show you a game where they kicked a goal in a clutch moment

I wasn't even talking about the clutch goal but glad you brought it up. Check full game performance.

 

[Junction Lion]

Bayley Fritsch?

Over their career as I know you like stats and averages danster168

Possessions per game. Cam Rayner 13.06 Bayley Fritsch 12.06
Contested possessions Cam Rayner 5.89 Bayley Fritsch 4.44

I didn't even bother about contested marks.

Thoughts?

 

[Junction Lion]

Over their career as I know you like stats and averages danster168

Possessions per game. Cam Rayner 13.06 Bayley Fritsch 12.06
Contested possessions Cam Rayner 5.89 Bayley Fritsch 4.44

I didn't even bother about contested marks.

Thoughts?

This is comparing our 17th best in your books with your nominated gun. I think the Lions are in a good place.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I wasn't even talking about the clutch goal but glad you brought it up. Check full game performance.

Junction- honestly this is not worth your time, he just continually twists things after getting owned by anyone who decides to ‘converse’ with him. Got kicked off his own board he is that moronic. The old don’t argue with an idiot because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience is perfect for this bloke. Some of his type are slightly amusing- Floggster is not.

 

[Junction Lion]

Junction- honestly this is not worth your time, he just continually twists things after getting owned by anyone who decides to ‘converse’ with him. Got kicked off his own board he is that moronic. The old don’t argue with an idiot because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience is perfect for this bloke. Some of his type are slightly amusing- Floggster is not.

Thanks jonno. I am enjoying the fun. I am retired so happy to educate a nuffie however it is making me dumber by the minute reading the guy's stuff so you are right.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Thanks jonno. I am enjoying the fun. I am retired so happy to educate a nuffie however it is making me dumber by the minute reading the guy's stuff so you are right.

Yep he is the Charlie Spargo of Bigfooty - enjoy

 

[Junction Lion]

Yep he is the Charlie Spargo of Bigfooty - enjoy

I don't really mind the guy but why did the Melbourne board turf him? I know a few Melbourne supporters and they are reasonable people.

 

[danster168]

Bayley Fritsch?

haha. Pretty sure 6 in a granny is fairly clutch lol.

 

[danster168]

Junction- honestly this is not worth your time, he just continually twists things after getting owned by anyone who decides to ‘converse’ with him. Got kicked off his own board he is that moronic. The old don’t argue with an idiot because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience is perfect for this bloke. Some of his type are slightly amusing- Floggster is not.

twists things? I correctly predict Rayners stats in the pre-season year in year out. How can I twist things when I put my neck on the line 6 months before each season...


Like, be specific in your replies. What opinion do you actually disagree with? The order he was taken in my rankings list? His GF performance? or that you think he isn't a down-hill skier?

The reality is most neutrals like somewhere in the middle between my opinion on Rayner, and Brisbane fan's opinions of Rayner. Rayner has been a laughing stock for most of his career. Now he is just a neutral.

 

[Junction Lion]

haha. Pretty sure 6 in a granny is fairly clutch lol.

This is all you ever bring up? Boring and easiest goals ever. You would have kicked 4 that day.

Please answer.

1. Cam's prelim performance. (Was rated as a great game apart from one BigFooty member)
2. Lion's chances if Cam is our 17th best
3. Melbourne's chances if Bayley is in their top 4 best players.
4. The disparity in possessions, contested possessions and marks between our 17th best and your man.
5. What Cam adds to the team game plan and culture versus Bayley, Trac and Clarry.
6. Why did they kick you off the Melbourne forum?

I don't think you will answer as you choose your own narrative.

As I said to jonno I am getting dumber by the minute.

 

[danster168]

This is all you ever bring up? Boring and easiest goals ever. You would have kicked 4 that day.

Please answer.

1. Cam's prelim performance. (Was rated as a great game apart from one BigFooty member)
2. Lion's chances if Cam is our 17th best
3. Melbourne's chances if Bayley is in their top 4 best players.
4. The disparity in possessions, contested possessions and marks between our 17th best and your man.
5. What Cam adds to the team game plan and culture versus Bayley, Trac and Clarry.
6. Why did they kick you off the Melbourne forum?

I don't think you will answer as you choose your own narrative.

As I said to jonno I am getting dumber by the minute.

It's not about the difficulty of the goals. It's about getting off your opponent and converting.

1. Cam's prelim performance was really good. All I said was that he owed the lions that goal after his game against GWS.

2. Lions chances if Cam is your 17th best, in my honest opinion, is about the same. Because he isn't a top 10 player in your 22. He is 14-16th best in your 22. That's my genuine honest opinion. So him being 17th best makes no difference as that's close to his spot in the team anyway. For reference, I have: Daniher, lohmann, Dunkley, Mcluggage, Berry, Ashcroft, Neale, Zorko, a fit Coleman, Cameron, Andrews, Bailey, Starcevich and McInerney ahead of him. Sure, we could argue over a couple but I also put Wilmot and Doedee in the conversation to be ahead so we can safely put Rayner at 15th in your 22.

3. Melbourne's chances if Bayley is in the top 4? Usually, very good. Because if Fritsch is in the best, it means he's kicked a bag usually.

4. I don't know who our 17th best player is. You tell me, and we'll compare.

5. Cam is a half forward because he hasn't mastered the midfield and he hasn't mastered the forward line, hence he rarely kicks goals and rarely finds the footy. (his goal tally and possession tally show this). Fritsch has mastered the fwd line, and Petracca and Oliver have mastered the midfield. The role that Cam plays is to give the likes of Neale and Dunkley a 5 min chop out. This isn't a role that I value highly. If Rayner was a pressure forward, then I would say fair enough. But Rayner isn't a pressure forward either. I still have no idea what his role is. All I know is that he was trialled as a defender to find him some easy footy and that failed. They then trialled him as a mid and that failed and then as a permanent forward and that failed. He now seems best suited as a half forward who gets 13-15 touches and 1 goal a game.

6. Because I had really strong opinions on bringing Grundy to the club. And when it failed a season later, I made it a point to keep those people accountable.

You can say things like 'you're getting dumber by the minute' but the reality is, deep down, there's nothing to disagree with. The numbers back me up. And the eye test backs me up. And no-one was brave enough to predict Rayners stats in the off-season like I was. And no-one was brave enough to put in their own ranking list because they know if they had him in the top 20 it would look silly.

Now your turn:

Based on total output from day of 2017 draft, where do you rank Rayner in terms of performance produced?

Also, where do you rank Rayner in your best 22?

Do you ever think Rayner will be more than a 14-16 touch, 1 goal a game player?

 

[jonnobackpocket]

twists things? I correctly predict Rayners stats in the pre-season year in year out. How can I twist things when I put my neck on the line 6 months before each season...


Like, be specific in your replies. What opinion do you actually disagree with? The order he was taken in my rankings list? His GF performance? or that you think he isn't a down-hill skier?

The reality is most neutrals like somewhere in the middle between my opinion on Rayner, and Brisbane fan's opinions of Rayner. Rayner has been a laughing stock for most of his career. Now he is just a neutral.

I disagree with everything you say, you have no clue. When you get proven wrong you just write some pathetic shit like ‘I have addressed that’, Rayner does things that Fritch could never even dream of. If we gave Cam Barely Average’s role of ‘hey can you be soft **** who doesn’t go near anyone and just chip scab goals from the square’ pretty sure he could do it. Let’s ask Barely to take hangers and kick clutch goals before going inside and being a contested beast who runs through 3 players like they are under 12’s and dishing off the handball. If we really want to test Barely let’s ask him just be a likeable bloke who his team mates love. Instead of hanging shit on an AA squad, premiership, highlight reel player, maybe worry about your own coke snorting, pokie playing ‘star’ players of which you have 3 and 2 of which want to get out because it’s a broken shit hole who’s ‘leader’ has just been sacked. Oh that’s right no one over there will talk to you because they sick of your crap. If you need any more proof just think about the fact you rated Spargo above Rayner and actually wrote you ‘kept Rayner relevant’, have a think about that.