Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft? - Part 2

[Bombfire]

When you bring Patton into the club, you are committed to playing him.
This is the path Clarkson has chosen.
The faithful will have to live with it ...

It's pretty to hard to live with the exhorbitant price paid for Wingerz.
Wingerz was supposed to improve the Hawks midfield, last night clearly shows he's not up to the grunt work.
Actually, he looked pretty feeble up against the likes of Danger Gaz etc.

 

[Back Pocket Rocket]

Rhys Stanley was close to BOG while a guy who has beaten him regularly over recent years - Ben McEvoy - was loping around the backline where our two tall forwards were goalless and Ablett, Miers, Dahlhaus and Atkins combined for 9 goals.

Why on earth is Clarkson persisting with this move?

Who knows??

 

[Back Pocket Rocket]

It's pretty to hard to live with the exhorbitant price paid for Wingerz.
Wingerz was supposed to improve the Hawks midfield, last night clearly shows he's not up to the grunt work.
Actually, he looked pretty feeble up against the likes of Danger Gaz etc.

He was BOG in round 1 but when you are roving to Gumby Ceglar you are gonna be up against it.

 

[fpm84]

Who knows??

With Frawley and Frost down back, there’s no need for McEvoy to even be there. Such a bizarre move by Clarkson. Hopefully last night was the end of the experiment.

I’m also baffled that Lewis and Scrimshaw didn’t play. Probably your two brightest young talents IMO.

 

[Bombfire]

He was BOG in round 1 but when you are roving to Gumby Ceglar you are gonna be up against it.

So was Dylan Shiel.

 

[Red Bull]

It's pretty to hard to live with the exhorbitant price paid for Wingerz.
Wingerz was supposed to improve the Hawks midfield, last night clearly shows he's not up to the grunt work.
Actually, he looked pretty feeble up against the likes of Danger Gaz etc.

His body language in recent years has raised queries as to whether football is everything to him as it needs to be at this level.
Perhaps Ken smelt this and cashed in.
The Chad and O’Meara cost plenty in terms of picks/players, this was always going to catch up with them in the end.

 

[Maxabillions]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/447671

Clarko says Hawks midfield are “fourth rate”. Look forward seeing the mental gymnastics fromHawks fans for the rest of the season on how he didn’t really mean what he said. Will be some second rate discussion at best.

 

[Tig017]

My response to that is how do you find replacements for 2 champions when your last top 10 pick came in 2006? Understand that we traded a pick 7 (Hunter Clark) for Omeara and pick 9 (Andrew Moore) for Burgoyne in that time, but they are a win or undecided in the Jaeger trade. But yes, I am on the Bradkli train in that a complete rebuild is needed. No more Ceglar, Poppy, Stratton. No point finishing 9th and getting pick 13 again. Unfortunately I think Clarkson has been talking too much to Greg Popovich and thinks he can rebuild by plugging holes (much easier with 5 on a court where 1 star makes a huge difference)

Why mention specific names? It's not like Hawthorn were guaranteed to select the exact player those picks were used on.
If you kept the pick 7 you traded for O'Meara, you probably would've picked Aaron Naughton who went a couple picks later, given your need for a key-defender. That would've been a huge pickup, the kind of pickup you could build a young team around.

 

[Maxabillions]

Hawthorn's problem is their age demographics. It may not be a problem this year but here are all the players 29 or over

Scully - 29.0
Shiels - 29.1
Ceglar - 29.3
Breust - 29.7
McEvoy - 30.11
Stratton - 31.3
Smith - 31.5
Frawley - 31.8
Henderson - 31.9
Puopolo - 32.6
Burgoyne - 37.7

That is a huge number of names, and players who are still vital to Hawthorn's best 22. Realistically Everyone from McEvoy down will likely not be in the team in 2022, meaning Hawthorn need to replace 7 best 22 players in the space of 2 years. It is quite a challenge.

But all of the top 10 in the best and fairest were young, they must have good youth

 

[Tig017]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/447671

Clarko says Hawks midfield are “fourth rate”. Look forward seeing the mental gymnastics fromHawks fans for the rest of the season on how he didn’t really mean what he said. Will be some second rate discussion at best.

All the usual suspects are MIA. I wonder why...

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

All the usual suspects are MIA. I wonder why...

They'll all be back after beating up on Gold Coast

 

[Ambrosia]

I actually think the Hawks strategy was a reasonably good one it just required them to sign a high quality free agent. You put Coniglio on their list and it looks very different. You would understand how they could see themselves pushing top 4 and holding onto your Puopolo, Burgoyne ect would have made some sense. Now they look to have fallen into a reality where they have overrated their list and should have instead used the 2019 off season to turnover more players and inject youth into the club.

 

[Red Bull]

I actually think the Hawks strategy was a reasonably good one it just required them to sign a high quality free agent. You put Coniglio on their list and it looks very different. You would understand how they could see themselves pushing top 4 and holding onto your Puopolo, Burgoyne ect would have made some sense. Now they look to have fallen into a reality where they have overrated their list and should have instead used the 2019 off season to turnover more players and inject youth into the club.

IF i win Powerball i’ll be able to buy every house in the street ...

 

[Maxabillions]

Like this one.

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Is that Abasi?

 

[Off Tap]

Where's all the Hawks fans gone? They usually flood this thread.

I'm pretty confident you won't be seeing them until at least Round 6

 

[Bombfire]

His body language in recent years has raised queries as to whether football is everything to him as it needs to be at this level.
Perhaps Ken smelt this and cashed in.
The Chad and O’Meara cost plenty in terms of picks/players, this was always going to catch up with them in the end.

Ken would be laughing, unloaded a talented but less than committed flanker for essentially two first rounders. How good is that for PA.

 

[Bombfire]

But all of the top 10 in the best and fairest were young, they must have good youth

Or the old brigade have had it.

 

[4THAWN]

Ah, the classic one game write off.

 

[Red Bull]

Ken would be laughing, unloaded a talented but less than committed flanker for essentially two first rounders. How good is that for PA.

Well,
Kerry Packer found Allan Bond and Silvagni found young Reid ...
This is the path Clarkson chose ...

 

[4THAWN]

Hawks lose a game at GMHBA and apparently the world is ending...

Think people should remember Geelong have won 31 out of their last 35 games there...

 

[Ambrosia]

IF i win Powerball i’ll be able to buy every house in the street ...

You can see why a club would go that way though especially one with the best coach in the league that has 3 peated recently.

 

[La Dispute]

Yeh the Burton trade was shocking.

Burton actually wanted to stay (why?) and was one of the few talented young players on the Hawks list, and him coupled with a first rounder in a strong draft for a flaky temperamental half forward in Wingard always had the potential to go pear shaped.

St Kilda has also drafted an entire half-backline (Clark, Long, Battle) from the picks sent across from the O’Meara trade.

The opportunity cost of properly restocking their list is becoming far too big too ignore.

 

[Tig017]

Hawks lose a game at GMHBA and apparently the world is ending...

Think people should remember Geelong have won 31 out of their last 35 games there...

You got thumped. Where was your team after half time?

 

[Bombfire]

He isn't injured..he had shoulder surgery in off-season and hurt his ankle in pre-season but was up for selection...the issue is our team is already too tall, so he misses out..Lewis deserves to play in front of Patton but Patton needs to play games to get his confidence back..the issue with Patton is he is basically redundant once the ball hits the ground..our midfield is awful so he won't exactly be getting good delivery..another couple of weeks like last night and Patton will be dropped for Lewis...

Tim O'brien was excellent the back half of last season and looks to have cemented his spot in the side. We can only play 2 of Patton, O'Brien and Lewis. The worst part about it all is Lewis is one of only a few young players on our list that has shown he will be a decent player in the future and he can't currently get a game. Clarko needs to change things and fast.

I think big strong Jon Patton would be more useful to the US Marine Corps than Hawthorn.

 

[Red Bull]

You can see why a club would go that way though especially one with the best coach in the league that has 3 peated recently.

Can quite easily see why they did it.
Glory and the associated accolades can be very intoxicating.
Whether the strategy was floored though is another matter that may be now coming home to roost.