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You could've had a pick in 2017 that would've netted you Hunter Clark or Aaron Naughton, but you traded it along with 3 second rounders for O'Meara. Yikes...
That trade was a list destroyer. You won't admit it, but it's true.
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Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft? - Part 2
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That trade was a list destroyer. You won't admit it, but it's true.
I've said the same on our draft /trade thread on Richmond board. This year draft picks are a lottery, basically no form guide in the most important junior development year. Possibly next year too having not been able to track the 17 year olds as well as usual.
This is the year to trade them off and I hope we do, look Hawks could not have predicted this in advance, who was to know COVID would hit, but gee its going to make rebuilding over the next couple years tough. The kids coming in will be underdeveloped and the drafting will be a lot harder with less form data.
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Zak Butters would be Hawthorn's best player right now if he were on your list. Unfortunately, instead of targeting quality youth, Crazy Clarko wanted Wingard, and nobody at the Hawthorn football club would dare oppose his wishes.
They play conservatively, reckon Longmuir has the handbrake on them at present. Might've been a big win if they took more risks.
Hawks have been a great team and I don't really want to dance on their grave. Only here to see if there are any left who want to argue that they're not gone.
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Sonny Hayes
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Based off what? How do you know that? You are talking out of your ass.
We as a club decided to go down this rebuild model.
I love Butters and he is a good young player, he also wouldn't look anywhere near as good in our current team.
Firstly, yes, we've been terrible, and for many weeks in a row now. However, if you think the Vic teams haven't been screwed by the draw adjustments required by COVID, you have rocks in your head.
By the end of round 13 we'll have played 8 opposition teams on their home ground (often in front of home ground crowds). At the same time we'll have played on our own home ground twice (where we have a 100% win rate against decent opposition). By the end of round 13, no other team will have been as harshly treated by the draw as us (from a home ground point of view).
Of course it can't explain the totality of our shitness (other Vic teams have handled it much better than us), but it is part of the picture.
Interstate sides complain about coming to Melbourne for the grand final. I wonder if they'd like it better if they played away from home in all but two of their games for the season?
Sonny Hayes
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Dude you are missing the point, I HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED THIS REBUILD HAS NOT WORKED!
Again because so many in here struggle to understand it
THIS REBUILD HAS NOT WORKED!
I am totally fine with the attempt to build on the run though, the Draft is a crap shoot and we may have gotten Coffield and Lachie O'brien types instead.
We tried to avoid it and it failed, shit happens we go again.
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They are down on troops. Walters, Hogan, Hamling, Tucker, Logue, Pearce all out. Fyfe has missed games. Defence is being held together by Luke Ryan (who isn't a key defender) and Brennan Cox. I reckon with a more stable back 6 they would attack a bit more freely.
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I'm just pointing out that your coach very clearly disagrees with your post here. Judging by his presser a couple of weeks back, recruiting more older players is on the agenda in the off season
Sonny Hayes
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No he was non committal on what we are going to do... As he should be
Reminder we are in the middle of a pandemic limiting the access to young kids at the moment, should always keep an open mind when it comes to list managment.
Listen harder clothears. he said they use all methods.
This thread is bad enough without the mind reading. apparently hes going to morph into sheedy any minute too
He has to save face. He can't admit now it hasn't worked or he looks like a fool.
Sonny Hayes
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Or he is being open minded about the future and not just throwing the toys out of the cot.
We hit the Draft last year, most likely will this year.
Mate you need to source that "older' if he even said that, what did he mean and is it the same as you mean?
Laughable the 'clarkos lost it brigade' theyd have him coach their clubs in a heartbeat
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The pressing question is what will Clarko do with the last 6 games.
They need another mid-table finish like a hole in the head imo.
The decision is really to be taken right now-
-send the old champs off for 'early surgery', play the kids, and finish bottom 4
-finish 9th/10th and preserve the exceptional/destination club status as best as possible
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Please, now you're contradicting yourself. First it's "rebuild is necessary", now it's "we cannot commit yet, our team might still be good enough to challenge!"
We all know Clarko wants to trade in more oldies. He doesn't have the patience for another rebuild.
Yeah, because clubs were really lining up in droves for Sheedy after 2007...
Sonny Hayes
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Well i agree to an extent, we need to see what some of the younger guys have to see if they have what it takes.
I maintain though that being competitive is ultra important when rebuilding. Young players won't be able to play every game anyway.
I want to see us add a couple more in but cycle through and keep the mature bodies around to make sure they are in competitive games of footy.
Sonny Hayes
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Don't put quotation marks around something i never said.
Common sense says that you wait until the end of the year to asses how you want to go about it, if we see next to no footy from the kids this year maybe we trade our of this draft in to next years.
Maybe we can find a young under 22 year old who wants to come that we feel is a better option than kids that we haven't seen in over a year.
The AFL put him in charge of a multi million dollar expansion. GWS would have 5 flags by now with Clarko
"We all know" you don't know at all. Tell me how old scrimshaw is...hes 'older' than a draftee
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4-5 wins is probably bottom three. If lists need to be cut harshly we do need to look at some guys quickly
Its not really geelong posters triggering in this thread. Why would they. they don't draft exclusively and are doing OK
It also represents a big opportunity for sides to get steals with their later picks. I’m hoping Essendon cuts there list hard this year and takes 4 - 6 picks in the Draft with scatter gun approach. Fully expecting some busts but there should be more upside as well.
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Yeah i would be interested in approaching a team with an academy prospect and see if they want to trade up to get inside the bid and see if we can stockpile a few good picks.
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It's not just about what comes in as what goes out.
If you were starting tomorrow with no history as Hawthorn list manager, you might consider trading out some players in the 25-30 age bracket. Could go to the draft with 4, 22, 40 + 2-3 more picks in the first or second round. No one in the 31+ age bracket has any real trade value so aren't really worth focusing on.
How many of the below are potential/likely trades? Not many, if any (strike through for zero chance trades IMO). Most were brought in recently from other teams.
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27 Minchington,
28 nil
29 Gunston, Scully, Ceglar, Shiels
30 Breust
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