Capuano sacked

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by Dingster
Matty hasn`t had a good year, but Thomas should have known what Matty was capable of pre season. To sack him now and to have denied him the opportunity of playing at another club is disrespectful.

Checked out his stats for this season. He seemed to have decent stats for the Round 1 game against the Roos (16 possessions, 5 marks, 15 hitouts), which suggest that not all of his efforts this season have been worthless.

 

[Fred]

Check the last few. Not good at all.

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by sainter
Anyone who thinks that we were wrong to trade Everitt, who incidentally showed his true colours again on Sunday, probably should wait at least 2 to 3 years before being in a position to make an informed judgement.

I dont need to wait, you were wrong to trade Everitt (cause we ended up with him).

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Re: query

Originally posted by morgoth
A question for Saint fans? Was Capuano liked by the players? If he was you are about to have some serious morale problems. If not no real problems apart form the fact that is shabby treatment of an employee.

It would be nice to see the same criteria applied to Thomas. I thought his coaching effort on Sat night was deplorable. Why would you leave a paddock in front of Tarrant on his left hand side? Pretty bloody obvious what we would do. Hmmm Loose man, ruckman filling the hole?

I was shocked at the body language from the Saints on Sat nigth, half of them looked like they did not give a ****. Fine apply a hard aproach to your players but if you are not seen to be consistent ie the coach's performance the rot will set in. Call me a troll, whatever but things could get very nasty at Aints land. They could also take off. Time will tell.

Interesting that Matty reportedly got together with a few mates after getting sacked, including Fraser Gehrig.

I think this is the point about why it's poor management - if you set a standard you have to stick with it and apply it clearly and transparently to everyone. That's good, tough management. But it seems very unlikely that the "if you haven't proved yourself in the next three games then you're out" standard will be applied to all players on the list, let alone to Thomas himself. "Zero tolerance of medocrity"? We'll see. If he actually applies this rule to everyone at the Saints it will be an interesting year.

Thomas and Butterss make a big thing of running the Saints like a business, but in the real business world you have to give people a set process of performance management before you can legitimately dismiss them - and they have the opportunity to look for another job immediately. In football this is not the case - sack someone mid-year and you are basically ending their career, it's very hard for them to keep up their fitness or skills until the next draft. That's why contracts are season to season, and this decision is unfair and wrong.

 

[jmerino]

I watched White Line fever last night, Waldron made no sense whatsoever.

All players on all lists will be unsure now.All players suffer form slumps at some stage of their career.

I hope the rumour about Steve Lawrence being the next to be sacked is untrue.

If they do sack another player, surely the AFL has to investigate the club.How can they do that to their players.I agree about the morale at the club, it must be at rock bottom.You would never know if you were next to go, if youhad a bad patch. Other clubs just drop you to the ressies for a few weeks to find form.Not sack you.

They are the laughing stock of the competition.
I say apply the same formula to Cornflakes and he would have been gone last year.

 

[Cyclops]

Fred and other loyal Saints you are twisting yourself out of shape defending this one.

Its all rumours and speculation? Very true. However the circumstances warrant speculation. A bloke has been sacked midseason for no better excuse than poor form.

Usually players are left on the list as a mark of respect, unless they have committed heinous disciplinary offenses or devastating injuries. There is no sign of either here. Hence the question:

What on earth is Grant Thomas doing?

If it was Malcolm Blight or Kevin Sheedy you might answer "Well he's won 2 flags doing crazy things, lets bear with him and see what happens."

But its GT, so I daresay that's not an option.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

On 3AW this morning they made a link between Capuano and Hawthorn, whilst discussing the AFLPA claim that Capuano should be allowed to go to another AFL club for the rest of the season.

Surely not. If it is true, the Hawks may as well chase up Simon Crawshay as well.

 

[knuckles]

Originally posted by Cyclops

What on earth is Grant Thomas doing?

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Only he knows. No problem with flicking players, but at the right time. This wasn't it.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Joffaboy
What previous behavior are you speaking of? Letting Everitt go? Hardly, he didn't want to play for the Saints and showed it in his pathetic last game for St.Kilda. Beetham? Spoken to constantly about his lack of application, delisted when he made it known that he didn't want to play for the Saints. Begley? Again traded to Adelaide when he wanted to go home after the Bali bombing.

I'm just wondering if you ever got the point of my comment.

Fred was having a bit of a gripe about the speculation on this thread. All I pointed out was that BOTH SIDES of the argument were putting down their views and interpretations based on what we think of Thomas and co. Saints fans are supportive, most non-Saints fans are skeptical. Same event, different spin.

Go back and read it again.

In his efforts Capuano has stated over the past three weeks he couldn't care less about the Saints.

In his efforts? Gee, are you a body language expert or something?

How old is Porter and has he potential, or is his time nearly at an end?

Porter is about the same age as Capuano.

From what I can figure out, Porter's form has been as bad as Capuano's (in fact, Porter got dropped). However, the point I'm making is that the Roos wouldn't treat Porter in the same way that Capuano has been treated by St.Kilda.

Damien Monkhorst was an experienced ruckman who was past his prime at St.Kilda also. Experience cant be the only criteria.

Did Monkhorst get sacked mid-season?

Sure, we don't know if Capuano could have passed on his knowledge to the St.Kilda youngsters, but hell, if Grant Thomas can't find some way to tap into Capuano's experience (8 years worth of finals, 3 Grand Finals,2 Flags), you've got to wonder. You guys do want to win a flag, don't you?

Where was the same bruhaha last season when Swartz and Knights were given their marching orders? Or did they voluntarily retire?

It looked to me that Schwarz retired voluntarily, but Knights was pushed. I think you'll find that there was some fierce criticism of the way that Knights was treated by Richmond.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Fred
The difference being that I didn't turn speculation into fact and then draw all sorts of inferences about there being something sinister behind it, or that it is a reflection on Thomas' man-management or any other of the dark doings mentioned.

One person's fact is another person's rumour - it just depends on you own interest in the issue.

But surely making comment on Thomas's decision making is fair game? Just like any number of decisions by football administrators, coaches, and players are fair game.

And the timing of the sacking ensures that people will speculate on the reasons behing it.

If we cannot debate the issue, then what is the point of having a board like BigFooty?

 

[Fred]

I would have thought that getting paid in full not to play was way better than running around in the VFL.
I believe he said himself it was probably his last year. He was a fair player once but he isn't now. The Roos didn't let him go for no reason.

 

[Cyclops]

Originally posted by Fred
I would have thought that getting paid in full not to play was way better than running around in the VFL.

You would have thought? Are you speculating again? I would have thought he'd chew his own leg off for a game of footy with any club. For goodness sakes he was prepared to sacrifice all dignity and play for the worst club in the league, what makes you think he wouldn't play VFL. It should be his call.

Originally posted by Fred
I believe he said himself it was probably his last year. He was a fair player once but he isn't now. The Roos didn't let him go for no reason.

More wriggling. Fred, Thomas has done something very unproffessional. There is no defense, only shame.

I don't know why I get so bitter about Thomas really, I know its none of my business. Its like watching a car crash in slow motion, the way the Saints always seem to self destruct. I should just look away and be grateful its not my side.

I just feel regret for all those boys whose careers are being ruined. Fancy a dual premiership ruckman being delisted by a useless hack white-ant pretender. Geez footy is cruel.

 

[lioness]

Originally posted by jmerino

I hope the rumour about Steve Lawrence being the next to be sacked is untrue.

SURELY NOT.

 

[pazza]

Fred, I would have thought pauying him in full may have been a way for St. Kilda to cover their arses incase he had of decided to sure the club for unfair dismissal!!!

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by Cyclops
You would have thought? Are you speculating again? I would have thought he'd chew his own leg off for a game of footy with any club.

Thats where you are dead wrong clown. He could hardly get up a gallop for the seniors on Saturday after being put on notice three weeks ago. He now says he is gunna have two months off to consider his options. Hardly someone desperate to get back into footy

For goodness sakes he was prepared to sacrifice all dignity and play for the worst club in the league

Has he signed for your s.h.i.t. club has he?


More wriggling. Fred, Thomas has done something very unproffessional. There is no defense, only shame.

Say who? You, oh well it must be true then

I don't know why I get so bitter about Thomas really

Because you have no life?

I know its none of my business.

Finally some sense

Its like watching a car crash in slow motion, the way the Saints always seem to self destruct.

So the Saints have self destructed because they got rid of a player who couldn't hack it anymore. A bit more hypebole wouldn't go astray - tool

I just feel regret for all those boys whose careers are being ruined.

And whose careers are being ruined? What are you on clown? Because one player is delisted, all of the Saints players careers are ruined. Do you understand how foolish these stupid comments sound?

Fancy a dual premiership ruckman being delisted by a useless hack white-ant pretender. Geez footy is cruel.

Fancy a dual premiership player taking money for playing seniors under false pretences like Capuano.

Like the other North has been Blight, the Saints shouldn't have gone near him with a ten foot pole.

So to you Cyclops, chew me troll boy and concentrate on your own crap team.

 

[Cyclops]

Originally posted by Joffaboy
Thats where you are dead wrong clown. He could hardly get up a gallop for the seniors on Saturday after being put on notice three weeks ago. He now says he is gunna have two months off to consider his options. Hardly someone desperate to get back into footy

He's been kicked in the guts and St Kilda have made sure he can't play AFL footy. Make sure you question the blokes integrity while you're at it. Two weeks ago you would've torn the face off someone having a crack at him. Now he's dirt.

Originally posted by Joffaboy Has he signed for your s.h.i.t. club has he?

No he can't, St Kilda have ruined his career, probably for ever. If we do pick him up he'll be treated with a bit more respect.

Originally posted by Joffaboy Say who? You, oh well it must be true then

Questioning a blokes comitment when he's done more in his career than your club has in a century is wriggling.

Originally posted by Joffaboy
Because you have no life?

I'm talking to you: guilty as charged

Originally posted by Joffaboy Finally some sense

I withdraw that statement immediately.

Originally posted by Joffaboy So the Saints have self destructed because they got rid of a player who couldn't hack it anymore. A bit more hypebole wouldn't go astray - tool

The Saints are self-destructing because they have mishandled yet another players career. These blokes can't be criticised while they're at the club, and when they leave its all their fault

Originally posted by Joffaboy And whose careers are being ruined? What are you on clown? Because one player is delisted, all of the Saints players careers are ruined. Do you understand how foolish these stupid comments sound?

Playing for a mob of backslapping failure addicts is a waste of a career. Lockett Winmar Everitt all great or very good players, all left under a cloud. Dermot Brereton (who might know something about success) noted that almost every player who quits the Saints and plays elsewhere seems to do better (eg Smith, the Wakelins, Malthouse etc etc) .

Originally posted by Joffaboy
Do you understand how foolish these stupid comments sound?

I know how foolish the Saints sound. They're doing him a favour? He should be grateful? He agreed? Transparent lies, amateurish spin, unproffessional wriggling, poor man management.

Originally posted by Joffaboy Fancy a dual premiership player taking money for playing seniors under false pretences like Capuano.

Make sure you insult him again and again. Now he's left the club, all your failures are his fault, of course. Don't blame the white-ant who coaches him, or the clown that hired the white-ant.

Originally posted by Joffaboy Like the other North has been Blight, the Saints shouldn't have gone near him with a ten foot pole.

So why did you?

Originally posted by Joffaboy So to you Cyclops, chew me troll boy and concentrate on your own crap team.

You're welcome. I liked your banana suits too.

 

[Z_K]

Joffaboy.

You lose.

 

[M29]

And we all thought port was the smoke and mirrors club...

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by Cyclops
He's been kicked in the guts and St Kilda have made sure he can't play AFL footy. Make sure you question the blokes integrity while you're at it. Two weeks ago you would've torn the face off someone having a crack at him. Now he's dirt.

Wrong wrong wrong, I. as have most Saints fans have been questioning his inclusion in the team for the past month or more.



No he can't, St Kilda have ruined his career, probably for ever. If we do pick him up he'll be treated with a bit more respect.

Unfortunately Matty's career was ruined by lack of form and injuries, blaming the Saints is really poor form Cyclops.


Questioning a blokes comitment when he's done more in his career than your club has in a century is wriggling.

Its more a case of him not being able to hack it in AFL not questioning his committment



I'm talking to you: guilty as charged

One to Cyclops

I withdraw that statement immediately.

Two in a row, I am on the back foot.


The Saints are self-destructing because they have mishandled yet another players career. These blokes can't be criticised while they're at the club, and when they leave its all their fault

Obviously you have never read Saintsational. Plenty of Saints players are critisised, and yes including Capauno, so I dont really know what you are on about.



Playing for a mob of backslapping failure addicts is a waste of a career.

As most Colingwood players have said since 1960. In that time your mob has won the exact number of flags as the Saints have ie 1.

Lockett Winmar Everitt all great or very good players, all left under a cloud.

Do you want me to start on Collingwood the Collingwood players who have left under acloud, or has that never happened in your eyes?

Dermot Brereton (who might know something about success) noted that almost every player who quits the Saints and plays elsewhere seems to do better (eg Smith, the Wakelins, Malthouse etc etc)

Why dont you add Joe McLaren, Steven Sziller, and Brown to that. What about Brodie Aktinson and David Sierakowski as well.
Everitt is again showing his true colours, and Joel Smith has been ordinary with hawthorn. Your argument is spurious.

I know how foolish the Saints sound. They're doing him a favour? He should be grateful? He agreed? Transparent lies, amateurish spin, unproffessional wriggling, poor man management.

Again because you say so. Yeah right.

Make sure you insult him again and again. Now he's left the club, all your failures are his fault, of course. Don't blame the white-ant who coaches him, or the clown that hired the white-ant.

Hows the Pies love of Nick Davis going? Hypocrit.



You're welcome. I liked your banana suits too.

You are just jealous because you have never run through the banner on GF day like Joffaboy did in 1963

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Cyclops
He's been kicked in the guts and St Kilda have made sure he can't play AFL footy. Make sure you question the blokes integrity while you're at it. Two weeks ago you would've torn the face off someone having a crack at him. Now he's dirt.

Don't get along to Sainsational I see?

Originally posted by Cyclops

No he can't, St Kilda have ruined his career, probably for ever. If we do pick him up he'll be treated with a bit more respect.

Do you think any less of him?

Originally posted by Cyclops

Questioning a blokes comitment when he's done more in his career than your club has in a century is wriggling.

What have you thought of his commitment this year?

Originally posted by Cyclops

The Saints are self-destructing because they have mishandled yet another players career. These blokes can't be criticised while they're at the club, and when they leave its all their fault

Pure crap, he should not, on form, have had a game for the past 3 weeks, if not longer. He is no longer up to AFL standard and would have finished in the Top 10 players for a game once, since he crossed to Moorabbin (rd22 2001). A 190cm second year player who has never played in the ruck before performed better on Saturday.

Originally posted by Cyclops

Playing for a mob of backslapping failure addicts is a waste of a career. Lockett Winmar Everitt all great or very good players, all left under a cloud. Dermot Brereton (who might know something about success) noted that almost every player who quits the Saints and plays elsewhere seems to do better (eg Smith, the Wakelins, Malthouse etc etc) .

McLaren, Everitt, Hall, Sierakowski, Sziller etc

In all the fuss, Matthew Capuano is someone who was kept because of the desperation to rid the club of Everitt. He no longer had the leap to compete at centre bounces, nor the height or mobility for throw ins and around the ground work. He was given the opportunity to make a go of it and prove his worth yet could not. He was told honestly that he would not get a game for Springvale though may have been able to play for their reserves, a team beaten by 300+ points on the weekend. He was paid out in full.

I don't understand the fuss, after all why would a 2 time North premiership player bother with the likes of St Kilda??

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by Joffaboy

Originally posted by Cyclops
He's been kicked in the guts and St Kilda have made sure he can't play AFL footy. Make sure you question the blokes integrity while you're at it. Two weeks ago you would've torn the face off someone having a crack at him. Now he's dirt.

Wrong wrong wrong, I. as have most Saints fans have been questioning his inclusion in the team for the past month or more.



No he can't, St Kilda have ruined his career, probably for ever. If we do pick him up he'll be treated with a bit more respect.

Unfortunately Matty's career was ruined by lack of form and injuries, blaming the Saints is really poor form Cyclops.


Questioning a blokes comitment when he's done more in his career than your club has in a century is wriggling.

Its more a case of him not being able to hack it in AFL not questioning his committment



I'm talking to you: guilty as charged

One to Cyclops

I withdraw that statement immediately.

Two in a row, I am on the back foot.


The Saints are self-destructing because they have mishandled yet another players career. These blokes can't be criticised while they're at the club, and when they leave its all their fault

Obviously you have never read Saintsational. Plenty of Saints players are critisised, and yes including Capauno, so I dont really know what you are on about.



Playing for a mob of backslapping failure addicts is a waste of a career.

As most Colingwood players have said since 1960. In that time your mob has won the exact number of flags as the Saints have ie 1.

Lockett Winmar Everitt all great or very good players, all left under a cloud.

Do you want me to start on Collingwood the Collingwood players who have left under acloud, or has that never happened in your eyes?

Dermot Brereton (who might know something about success) noted that almost every player who quits the Saints and plays elsewhere seems to do better (eg Smith, the Wakelins, Malthouse etc etc)

Why dont you add Joe McLaren, Steven Sziller, and Brown to that. What about Brodie Aktinson and David Sierakowski as well.
Everitt is again showing his true colours, and Joel Smith has been ordinary with hawthorn. Your argument is spurious.

I know how foolish the Saints sound. They're doing him a favour? He should be grateful? He agreed? Transparent lies, amateurish spin, unproffessional wriggling, poor man management.

Again because you say so. Yeah right.

Make sure you insult him again and again. Now he's left the club, all your failures are his fault, of course. Don't blame the white-ant who coaches him, or the clown that hired the white-ant.

Hows the Pies love of Nick Davis going? Hypocrit.



You're welcome. I liked your banana suits too.

You are just jealous because you have never run through the banner on GF day like Joffaboy did in 1963, or was that Happy Hammond?

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Fred
I would have thought that getting paid in full not to play was way better than running around in the VFL. I believe he said himself it was probably his last year.

It could have been his last year if his form slump remained. However, he still would have had the rest of the season to ressurect his career. Sure, the probability of it happening would have been minimal, but a slight chance is better than no chance.

As a professional footballer, I think he would have preferred to be given the chance to play while rather than be paid to put his feet up. He's been playing the game at the top level for about 10 years, I'm sure he would have liked to do the best he could for his last 3 or 4 months (if he did plan on retiring). And I doubt that the Saints long term prospects will be seriously adversely affected by Capuano playing a dozen games with Springvale (or their reserves).

As a purely footballing decision, I don't have an issue with it. But as a decision on man management, I think it was a very poor one.

He was a fair player once but he isn't now. The Roos didn't let him go for no reason.

Of course, you're speaking with hindsight. At the time, the Capuano-McLaren trade looked like a good one for the players and the clubs.

If the Roos didn't let him go for no reason, then you'd have to question why the Saints took him on.

 

[Cyclops]

Originally posted by Joffaboy

You are just jealous because you have never run through the banner on GF day like Joffaboy did in 1963, or was that Happy Hammond?

Did you really? I am jealous.