List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[AT97]

Yep, but then he quickly followed up with the thought that all top six could easily go number one.

Pretty sure the others in his top 6 were lukosius, rankine, b King and blackey.

 

[thylacine60]

loved the first comment beneath - "ffs!"

 

[HereComesJuddy]

about time someone actually spoke to the young man himself.........

Ben Silvagni has a chip on his shoulder

“I’ll probably walk in with a chip on my shoulder and show what I’m capable of,” Silvagni told The Age.

“I probably hear that sledge every week, every time I play, [that] it’s just my dad who’s got me to where I am.

“I just let it motivate me.”

You dad is way better than you Ben!

 

[bigm386]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...l/news-story/7efeb5ab57467fd6e75bc609285ee018

Found the table in this article very interesting. You would take the trade majority of the years with a few line ball years.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I have heard many say that Max King is a clear #1, even when Lukosious was all the rage, plenty were saying the King boy is better.

And everytime you hear someone from South Australia speak both Rankine and Lukosius are talked up as the two best players in the draft. Pre knee M King would've been close to favourite for number 1 with JL.
We are in a strange position where we actually have a lot of high end potential KP players so it makes Walsh a fairly obvious pick where in reality if about 15 other sides had the pick it would probably be a lot more open.

 

[Soapy V]

You dad is way better than you Ben!

I have seen play once. Didn't do much but what he did looked quality. He is a big unit and mobile. I hope to see him in Navy Blue in 2019 and that he does well. Love seeing names like Silvagni & Kerr at Carlton

 

[Matty411]

Interesting to see someone put their balls on the line re Pick 1 trade talk.

Pick 2 and 6 is insane If Suns oblige.

Get the feeling we'd trade 2 and JL to Crows in that scenario then take 3 first rounders. Smith, King and Hately maybe.

Interesting few weeks ahead.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Interesting to see someone put their balls on the line re Pick 1 trade talk.

Pick 2 and 6 is insane If Suns oblige.

Get the feeling we'd trade 2 and JL to Crows in that scenario then take 3 first rounders. Smith, King and Hately maybe.

Interesting few weeks ahead.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/11/11/best-22-and-draft-needs-carlton/

Article talks about Carlton's needs for midfielders and a key position defender.

Just more breadcrumbs scattered to suggest we may take a combo of Smith & B. King

 

[katmanblue]

first listened to that song when i was like 8, i certainly got a suprise

He loves that goat

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[ferrisb]

so what's the 4 day thing harker mentioned?

We have 4 more days where we can trade pick 1 but won't.
Then we have 5 more days to discuss trading pick 1 but can't.
Then we have draft day, where we can trade it once again, but will instead use it to draft Sam Walsh.
Then we have 10 years to discuss what we should have done instead of whatever it was that we did...

Capisce?

 

[ferrisb]

Max King measuring in at 204cm.

If he grows another 2-3cm and maintains his speed and agility, he'll be unstoppable.

If he grows another 2cm, he will be Paul Salmon height.

We know SOS is a fan. OMG, we're finally going to land our BIG FISH!

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Weird assumption to make...

Why would that make him unlikable? Got vegan friends, teetotallers, one family friend who only eats red meat - none of them are unlikable people because of their lifestyle choices. He may not build all the same connections as other teammates with similar interests, but I wouldn't be expecting him to be on the outer.

Flip it round - maybe he has a positive impact on whichever club he joins. Some of the other young players see how hard he pushes himself and it motivates them to do that little bit more than they already are.

Seems an enthusiastic kid with a huge drive to succeed, and a genuine enjoyment for improving himself.

Happy to take him if we see an opportunity to trade down. Happy to take Walsh otherwise.

I think someone who is that dedicated to the cause would then expect or look down on others that are not.. IMO the best results are achieved by having a good balance and footy needs to be fun, if he is looking negatively against any of the boys who are going out and doing what normal young lads do then it will create a toxic us against them culture, similar to how Buckley and Nick Maxwell wanted everything straight laced but then Dane Swan & the rest of the rat pack revolted against it and thought if they were getting 35 touches each week it doesnt matter if they are getting home from 161 at 8am on Sunday morning. Trent Cotchin was similar to how I imagine Smith is, and he has publicly said it took years for him to accept that others didnt have the same commitment as him and that it was beneficial for himself to unwind and enjoy a bottle of wine every now and then.

 

[thylacine60]

who served ferris lunch?

 

[thylacine60]

I think someone who is that dedicated to the cause would then expect or look down on others that are not.. IMO the best results are achieved by having a good balance and footy needs to be fun, if he is looking negatively against any of the boys who are going out and doing what normal young lads do then it will create a toxic us against them culture, similar to how Buckley and Nick Maxwell wanted everything straight laced but then Dane Swan & the rest of the rat pack revolted against it and thought if they were getting 35 touches each week it doesnt matter if they are getting home from 161 at 8am on Sunday morning. Trent Cotchin was similar to how I imagine Smith is, and he has publicly said it took years for him to accept that others didnt have the same commitment as him and that it was beneficial for himself to unwind and enjoy a bottle of wine every now and then.

no sense of either of our co-skippers behaving supercilious towards others solely because they train like spartans.....

 

[Soapy V]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/11/11/best-22-and-draft-needs-carlton/

Article talks about Carlton's needs for midfielders and a key position defender.

Just more breadcrumbs scattered to suggest we may take a combo of Smith & B. King

Who writes this crap and where is the research???

 

[ferrisb]

With the Phantom draft just about finished, here are a couple of kids that I would consider rookie listing, depending the make up of the rest of our main list

Luke Moore - 180cm & 84kg

Very smart small forward that uses the ball extremely well

Moore was only recalled when teammate Thomas Baldwin pulled out due to a thigh injury. The South Fremantle product has been likened to Collingwood cult figure Alan Didak and did his draft prospects no harm on the big stage. Moore hit the post with his first set shot but stood up in a tackle and used his footy smarts to set up the opening goal of the game to Brad Oldfield. Minutes later, he gathered a ground ball and snapped his first major. Finished with two goals from 13 disposals.

http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/7107 - Player Stats



Matthew McGuiness - 192cm & 75 kg

Believe he has grown slightly and see him being a Finlayson type. Will need time to develop, but like the way he plays the game

Bloody tough to pick rookie prospects prior to the national draft.....here are some guys that I don't think are good enough to get drafted but I also think are reasonable chances to make it at AFL level.

Not having a go at you/others, just recognising it takes a special skill to identify flawed talent that others are likely to overlook but shouldn't.

If I had a hat, it would be doffed right now.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I think someone who is that dedicated to the cause would then expect or look down on others that are not.. IMO the best results are achieved by having a good balance and footy needs to be fun, if he is looking negatively against any of the boys who are going out and doing what normal young lads do then it will create a toxic us against them culture, similar to how Buckley and Nick Maxwell wanted everything straight laced but then Dane Swan & the rest of the rat pack revolted against it and thought if they were getting 35 touches each week it doesnt matter if they are getting home from 161 at 8am on Sunday morning. Trent Cotchin was similar to how I imagine Smith is, and he has publicly said it took years for him to accept that others didnt have the same commitment as him and that it was beneficial for himself to unwind and enjoy a bottle of wine every now and then.

That's a pretty spectacular assumption though.

From the interview it sounds more like he trains and prepares the way he does because he gets enjoyment out of it. Not because he believes it's the only way to succeed.

 

[Arr0w]

Bloody tough to pick rookie prospects prior to the national draft.....here are some guys that I don't think are good enough to get drafted but I also think are reasonable chances to make it at AFL level.

Not having a go at you/others, just recognising it takes a special skill to identify flawed talent that others are likely to overlook but shouldn't.

If I had a hat, it would be doffed right now.

A fair majority is where clubs are at and what their priorities are short to medium term. Clubs like Geelong may want to target, mature age rookies, to maximise their chances of winning a flag, while others, such as us, may be happy with the core group and are looking for a diamond in the rough.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/8fb57f9996d21aeccfeef2d34f75e4bb

 

[ferrisb]

no sense of either of our co-skippers behaving supercilious towards others solely because they train like spartans.....

Super silly-us?

No, you.

 

[Arr0w]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/11/11/best-22-and-draft-needs-carlton/

Article talks about Carlton's needs for midfielders and a key position defender.

Just more breadcrumbs scattered to suggest we may take a combo of Smith & B. King

I think short term needs were spot on in that article

Who writes this crap and where is the research???

What did you not agree with, within the article Soapy?

 

[Robbo's my hero]

who served ferris lunch?

Definitely had the salmon.

 

[ferrisb]

who served ferris lunch?

Definitely had the salmon.

Sucks for you guys.

I had the veal.....I'll be here all week...

 

[ferrisb]

Max King measuring in at 204cm.

If he grows another 2-3cm and maintains his speed and agility, he'll be unstoppable.

Are you suggesting that over his opponents, he will tower, Eiffel?

 

[Arr0w]

Are you suggesting that over his opponents, he will tower, Eiffel?

You idiot

 

[viking12]

if SOS trades pick 1, must be for 2&6 and not 3&6

still want Walsh but if pick 1 is gone, then Rankine @ 2 and best mid at 6 (hoping for Bailey Smith)