List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread II

[murphster]

Don't be surprised, if he keeps growing

Don’t be surprised if he comes on quicker than you would think, those wiry types have a habit of surprising. And he actually described himself as KP.

 

[Macca43]

Don't be surprised, if he keeps growing

I went to school with Paul Wynd, brother of Scott, who was on Norths list when he was in year 10 (1991 was a different time) and I remember him saying North had done some bone testing that predicted he was going to grow to around 200cm, he got to 190cm. Growth is unpredictable.

From memory I think Paul had the record for the longest time on an AFL list without a senior game.

 

[Jimmae]

I went to school with Paul Wynd, brother of Scott, who was on Norths list when he was in year 10 (1991 was a different time) and I remember him saying North had done some bone testing that predicted he was going to grow to around 200cm, he got to 190cm. Growth is unpredictable.

From memory I think Paul had the record for the longest time on an AFL list without a senior game.

Ah yes, because we've made no scientific advancements in the last 27 years

In all seriousness, the odds of this being a Trent Sporn situation are extremely low.

 

[HARKER]

Don't be surprised, if he keeps growing

He's grown already then as I've heard his height is already in excess of 190

 

[Macca43]

Ah yes, because we've made no scientific advancements in the last 27 years

In all seriousness, the odds of this being a Trent Sporn situation are extremely low.

Can you point to the scientific advancements in prediction of height? As far as I can tell the biggest one is that we have largely given up trying to predict it.

O'dwyer could well grow more it also could well be that having grown 10cm in the past 12 months he is done. I don't think his drafting was predicated on either event.

 

[Robertio]

I went to school with Paul Wynd, brother of Scott, who was on Norths list when he was in year 10 (1991 was a different time) and I remember him saying North had done some bone testing that predicted he was going to grow to around 200cm, he got to 190cm. Growth is unpredictable.

From memory I think Paul had the record for the longest time on an AFL list without a senior game.

Coached Scott at Jacana he was always a giant, Paul was small in the U/10's and 12's and the old man was only about 178cm so i'm surprised Paul made it to that height.

 

[footyfan1978]

Milk men....

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Can you point to the scientific advancements in prediction of height? As far as I can tell the biggest one is that we have largely given up trying to predict it.

O'dwyer could well grow more it also could well be that having grown 10cm in the past 12 months he is done. I don't think his drafting was predicated on either event.

Since the mapping of the genome and biology in general has advanced at rapid rates over the last 10-15 years a lot that wasn’t possible 20 years ago now possible.


http://www.genetics.org/content/210/2/477

 

[Macca43]

Coached Scott at Jacana he was always a giant, Paul was small in the U/10's and 12's and the old man was only about 178cm so i'm surprised Paul made it to that height.

I was a little surprised myself when I looked up the stats - he certainly wasn't 190cm in year 10, wasn't short but didn't stand out as being tall either.

 

[Macca43]

Since the mapping of the genome and biology in general has advanced at rapid rates over the last 10-15 years a lot that wasn’t possible 20 years ago now possible.


http://www.genetics.org/content/210/2/477

They doing a lot of genome mapping prior to the draft are they?

 

[Jimmae]

Can you point to the scientific advancements in prediction of height? As far as I can tell the biggest one is that we have largely given up trying to predict it.

O'dwyer could well grow more it also could well be that having grown 10cm in the past 12 months he is done. I don't think his drafting was predicated on either event.

Predicting it with a great degree of certainty in a child is a fool's errand, but these are young men in the last phases of the relevant aspects of physical development. They can take serum levels of relevant hormones, take a look at growth plates and see pretty simply whether or not they are still growing.

The basic science was solid back then, but the imaging technology and study of the impacts of disease and environment were not.

 

[Macca43]

Predicting it with a great degree of certainty in a child is a fool's errand, but these are young men in the last phases of the relevant aspects of physical development. They can take serum levels of relevant hormones, take a look at growth plates and see pretty simply whether or not they are still growing.

The basic science was solid back then, but the imaging technology and study of the impacts of disease and environment were not.

Do they though?

 

[Jimmae]

Do they though?

That'd be confidential, but I'd assume so.

 

[Macca43]

That'd be confidential, but I'd assume so.

I really doubt that a potential draftee is giving blood samples and if they were the AFL would take control of it so the weren't giving 18 samples.

I could see it being used on occasion, like say with Harry McKay, after they have got to the club and even then not immediately.

 

[Jimmae]

I really doubt that a potential draftee is giving blood samples and if they were the AFL would take control of it so the weren't giving 18 samples.

I could see it being used on occasion, like say with Harry McKay, after they have got to the club and even then not immediately.

It'd be part of a standard panel, as well as drug testing.

 

[Macca43]

It'd be part of a standard panel, as well as drug testing.

Putting aside the number of times I have heard players answer "umm not sure" when asked if they had stopped growing, the question is why is whether they have stopped growing "confidential" when things like Stephensons heart complaint were public knowledge?

My thoughts would be that if it was done, the AFL would do it and it would go into the public domain with all their other combine results. Fox footy would lvoe to say this kid is "x and still growing"

 

[ferrisb]

Finbar is 190cm and apparently shot up 10cm in the last year or so.
Was described as someone who puts on fierce tackling pressure, so i think he's more a medium forward type player, not a KPF.

My guess:

[1] Walsh
[2] Rankine
[3] Lukosius
[4] M. King
[5] Rozee
[6] Stocker

Big call by our recruiting team. They appear to have rated Stocker above B. Smith and possibly Caldwell as well.

I had Stocker much higher than #6

1) Whomever Knightmare said we should have taken
2) Walsh
3) Stocker
4) Finbar O'Dwyer
5) BSOS
6) Bugg

Not sold on Goddard. Probably somewhere just outside my top 10

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

They doing a lot of genome mapping prior to the draft are they?

Cool. Wanna be a smart ass then fine, all I was doing was showing you an example of how bio science has drastically improved since your technologically ancient example. The predictive power has improved because we’ve mapped the genome and understand more about humans. You don’t have to map every individual to use the advancements made in genetics.

 

[Macca43]

Cool. Wanna be a smart ass then fine, all I was doing was showing you an example of how bio science has drastically improved since your technologically ancient example. The predictive power has improved because we’ve mapped the genome and understand more about humans. You don’t have to map every individual to use the advancements made in genetics.

You do need to map the individual to know how tall that individual is going to grow though right?

But anyway this has gone way beyond where I thought when I posted the original anecdote.

 

[Jimmae]

Putting aside the number of times I have heard players answer "umm not sure" when asked if they had stopped growing, the question is why is whether they have stopped growing "confidential" when things like Stephensons heart complaint were public knowledge?

My thoughts would be that if it was done, the AFL would do it and it would go into the public domain with all their other combine results. Fox footy would lvoe to say this kid is "x and still growing"

It's what they chose to release to clubs, and then in turn what the clubs chose to release to the media.

The clubs would have known about Stephenson's condition since the combine.

 

[Macca43]

It's what they chose to release to clubs, and then in turn what the clubs chose to release to the media.

The clubs would have known about Stephenson's condition since the combine.

The point is "has X stopped growing" is hardly sensitive information that needs to be withheld from the public, especially compared with what else gets released. If they were testing for it across the board I can't see why it wouldn't be released, or at the very least the players themselves would be advised and we wouldn't see the "I don't know" answer constantly.

Also to me it seems it would only be important information for a small percentage of the draft group as, unless I am wrong, it only says if they are still growing not how much they will still grow. I don't think it is really that important to clubs if a 188cm mid might make it to 190cm or if a 200cm forward might get to 204cm. If its worth is limited why blanket test?

 

[Soapy V]

I like Caldwell a lot as well.

GWS have historically have been poor at injury management and prevention.

If we get Setterfield right I wonder if Caldwell will want to come here in a couple years?

Close mates with LOB & Dow and has visited Ikon Park on several occassions

 

[Soapy V]

Don't be surprised, if he keeps growing

Finbar to be our James Sicily. LOOKs the type

 

[ferrisb]

Finbar to be our James Sicily. LOOKs the type

It's the red hair, isn't it?

 

[Soapy V]

It's the red hair, isn't it?

Or the same suntan