List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

[TerryWallet]

Going through some phantom drafts and looking back at our pick swap with the swans we have traded out our future 3rd round pick for what could be as little as a 3 to 5 pick upgrade once academy picks are taken into account, a really strange trade considering the cats got 27 for the demons future 3rd, I still can't understand the need to go so early on that trade when better options could open up on draft night, seems a huge miscalculation by our list management team.

You/we just don't know all the relevant reasons.

For instance, we now have the pick before Fremantle. Us and Freo are said to be keen on Poulter. That upgrade puts us in a better place to get him than before.

This is just a random example. Our blokes know what they're doing with the mechanics of the draft.

 

[Bostonian]

24 hours out from the draft, I’m fairly sure recruiters aren’t looking to BF to finalise their list choices. We have some crackers on here but, not quite that good.

I'm fairly sure if they were privy to where teams planned to take a certain player they would use it to their advantage if they were interested in the same player.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Going through some phantom drafts and looking back at our pick swap with the swans we have traded out our future 3rd round pick for what could be as little as a 3 to 5 pick upgrade once academy picks are taken into account, a really strange trade considering the cats got 27 for the demons future 3rd, I still can't understand the need to go so early on that trade when better options could open up on draft night, seems a huge miscalculation by our list management team.

Only a 3-5 spot upgrade from 48 to 31? Don't think there are 15 picks in that range that are getting chewed up by Academy bids, are there?

Hard to asseas, but there may be some second rounders that only slide back a bit rather than being used up entirely. Suspect that 48 may creep in to 38-40, but not much more than that.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Wehr sounds like a Boekhorst type pick...

I'd be happy to take a chance on him in the rookie draft, but not in the second round.

Completely understand where you're coming from.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Only a 3-5 spot upgrade from 48 to 31? Don't think there are 15 picks in that range that are getting chewed up by Academy bids, are there?

Hard to asseas, but there may be some second rounders that only slide back a bit rather than being used up entirely. Suspect that 48 may creep in to 38-40, but not much more than that.

There will be a large number of picks consumed by matching bids in that range. The vast majority of picks in that range belong to the Swans, Dogs, Hawks and Port. Dons also have a pick in that range which could be used on Brand too.

 

[La Dispute]

Pedlar maybe?

More likely to be available around our pick range, and we may live trade.

Doesn’t seem like a need, but maybe we’re happy to bank on a bread and butter mid inside ala Devon Robertson.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Or an Isaac Smith

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Isaac Smith

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37

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188cm

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83kg

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21.3

5star

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13.0

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8.4

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M

5.5

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2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

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8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

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1.3

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19.2

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K

10.6

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HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

Wouldn't that be nice...

Maybe we're at the stage where we can take a gamble like that. Hope we've done our homework.

 

[mrkyuss]

South Australian inside mid is on top of our list.. tough nut

Beautiful , just what we need.

 

[Red Bull]

Wehr sounds like a Boekhorst type pick...

 

[BlueAbroad]

 

[Blue__Balls]

There will be a large number of picks consumed by matching bids in that range. The vast majority of picks in that range belong to the Swans, Dogs, Hawks and Port. Dons also have a pick in that range which could be used on Brand too.

Tried to check the draft order but the AFL keeps shitting itself.

Just because those clubs have picks there doesn't mean they'll be used up. Academy bids tend to be later than the phantoms suggest, so where we assume that two picks in the 30s might get burnt to match a bid, it could be that the latter of those picks only slides back half a dozen spots.

That's what I'm getting at when I say its hard to assess. Lots of moving parts, potential for live trades.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

Wehr sounds like a Boekhorst type pick...

If we traded up to pick 24 and took Wehr, that would feel like a Boekhorst pick.
If we wait until at least our 2nd pick I’d be at peace with that.


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[Blue__Balls]

Have you guys been reading my comments on Trengrove...?

 

[Sheephead]

South Australian inside mid is on top of our list.. tough nut

SA Tough nut at our pick = Pedlar.

 

[THE_GUN]

Going through some phantom drafts and looking back at our pick swap with the swans we have traded out our future 3rd round pick for what could be as little as a 3 to 5 pick upgrade once academy picks are taken into account, a really strange trade considering the cats got 27 for the demons future 3rd, I still can't understand the need to go so early on that trade when better options could open up on draft night, seems a huge miscalculation by our list management team.

That trade is really a strange one and cannot see any value in it, There will be clubs using min picks and most would be looking to get out after picks 40 with possibly only 55 picks tken altogether.

 

[BigBreakfast]

I'm fairly sure if they were privy to where teams planned to take a certain player they would use it to their advantage if they were interested in the same player.

I’m fairly sure that there aren’t too many secrets around the inner sanctums. Recruitment teams would know who is into who, what each team needs and how they might fill them. Pretty sure that couldn’t care less who we take at 31 in this crapshoot draft.

Thanks barass70

 

[bmaurizio]

South Australian inside mid is on top of our list.. tough nut

Thanks b70, appreciate you update.

 

[Brackets]

I'm fairly sure if they were privy to where teams planned to take a certain player they would use it to their advantage if they were interested in the same player.

No one is taking that chance when no name is mentioned and it could just as easily be a smokescreen.

 

[ParapMarkets]

I’m fairly sure that there aren’t too many secrets around the inner sanctums. Recruitment teams would know who is into who, what each team needs and how they might fill them. Pretty sure that couldn’t care less who we take at 31 in this crapshoot draft.

Thanks barass70

They know quite a bit, but they also aren't going to divulge who they are taking. I'm pretty sure there are teams who would definitely care who we plan on taking at that pick.

 

[ParapMarkets]

No one is taking that chance when no name is mentioned and it could just as easily be a smokescreen.

Also, it sounds like it would be Pedlar. Twomey, who speaks to the clubs regularly, thinks he will be gone by pick 15 anyway

 

[THE_GUN]

Tried to check the draft order but the AFL keeps shitting itself.

Just because those clubs have picks there doesn't mean they'll be used up. Academy bids tend to be later than the phantoms suggest, so where we assume that two picks in the 30s might get burnt to match a bid, it could be that the latter of those picks only slides back half a dozen spots.

That's what I'm getting at when I say its hard to assess. Lots of moving parts, potential for live trades.

Guarantee Gone
#33-WB
#34-Syd
#35-Port
#37-Syd
#41-WB
#42-WB
#43-Syd
#45-Hawk
#46-Hawk
#47-Port

Possibly Gone
#32 -Frem (Walker & Western)
#36-Rich ( Rioli)
#40 - Adel ( Borlase/Newchurch)
#44-Essend (Brand/Eyre)

 

[BlueTongue]

At what cost I wonder Zee? Hoping the club doesn't slice big into next years picks or at all really, just my 2c though.

As for the project ruck talks, I'm happy either way on this one. If there is one we see merit in this year, go for it. But if there isn't one, I'd rather just go with what we have rather than commit a two year contract. TDK and Pitto obviously to carry the bulk of it under the latter scenario. Casboult is more than capable if we have some bad luck with injuries, McKay a bit of a break glass in emergency and Liam Jones

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Liam Jones

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34

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199cm

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98kg

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9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

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1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

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116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

could probably do some work there if the injury apocalypse happened. We could also do a bit of a Geelong a take a mature ruck that's ready physically as a rookie for a season or two maybe ie. Corey Gault, Jackson Trengove

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Jackson Trengove

Age

35

Ht

197cm

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97kg

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13.5

3star

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6.3

2star

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7.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

167.1

3star

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8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

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6.0

3star

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1.0

1star

T

4.0

5star

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16.0

1star

D

9.8

3star

K

2.6

1star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.4

5star

etc.

My 2c on this is that we are better off getting one this year in a 'shallow' draft with a lot of talls, then later on in a strong Draft when there are a lot of decent Mids.

 

[Sheephead]

Guarantee Gone
#33-WB
#34-Syd
#35-Port
#37-Syd
#41-WB
#42-WB
#43-Syd
#45-Hawk
#46-Hawk
#47-Port

Possibly Gone
#32 -Frem (Walker & Western)
#36-Rich ( Rioli)
#40 - Adel ( Borlase/Newchurch)
#44-Essend (Brand/Eyre)

We could have consecutive picks - cool - no waiting around.

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

You/we just don't know all the relevant reasons.

For instance, we now have the pick before Fremantle. Us and Freo are said to be keen on Poulter. That upgrade puts us in a better place to get him than before.

This is just a random example. Our blokes know what they're doing with the mechanics of the draft.

I just can't see the need to go so early with that trade, over the last couple of years pick swaps and upgrades from the mid to late 2nd round are easily done on draft night and with this draft probably the most unpredictable ever we have pretty much given away a future 3rd round pick away for nothing, the only reason I can think for doing the trade would be to trade the 2 seconds we now have for an earlier pick but their are much better ways to go about it.
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[BlueTongue]

I'm guessing poulter?

I'm Guessing Luke Pedlar - who Twomey has at Pick 24, or 22yo Mature Ager Jacob Wehr.