Changes for the 3rd Test

[Blue1980]

Some of these ideas of bringing in guys in their early to mid 30s for extra leadership makes us seem like the England team of the 90s, pains me that we would begin making changes we once would of laughed at others for doing

 

[Belnakor]

Average in the mid 30's. No thanks.

if you look at the previous shield years not many batsman averaging over 40 and all of them have been given a go. I mean look back at 2013 and hardly anyone was even above 35 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sheff...most_runs_career.html?id=7544;type=tournament). That year Ponting was the top scorer when he was finished. Shows how bare the cupboard was.

 

[eddiesmith]

Haddin backs Handscomb Patterson and Bancroft to wear the baggy green. He's a coach of Aus A

And Matthew Wade at no6

 

[The Passenger]

I guess one good thing now is that the batsmen who are mostly next in line on performances are also fairly young. It's unlikely White or Bailey are getting a call up. Ferguson was probably the only one older than 28 who was in the frame.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

And Matthew Wade at no6

Allan Border too. Gotta love AB

 

[bluespooner]

Victorians in this forum are amazing. Rather than having the interests of Australian cricket at heart they seem to be more interested in getting as many of their average suburban cricketers that represent Victoria into the Australian team.

How anyone could suggest Cameron White is beyond me - I mean he literally has two shots, he either tees off or he tries to block the ball. White hasn't a modicum of batsmanship in his persona other than that he holds a bat occasionally.

Why would you suggest Wade for selection when at best he is a backstop, and probably the worst wicket-keeper to ever play a Test for Australia. I mean Neville's glove work is the best of any keeper in the country and he is the best batsman of anyone currently keeping at State level in the country. His batting technique is possibly only surpassed by Khawaja in the current Australian line-up and in addition to which he is performing as he showed in his last Test match.

Then there are talents like Siddle, a bloke bowling wide of the crease sub 130km/h with absolutely no ability to take the ball away from a right-handed batsman. Handscomb a young player that has done nothing tof deserve a Test spot; who on my limited viewing just doesn't seem to be talented. I would have thought if you are going to get national selection and you don't have performance to justify the selection then as a minimum you must have some talent.

No doubt, we will be hearing the names of Holland and Maxwell for the Australian team so mediocrity can be fully entrenched.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I mean Neville's glove work is the best of any keeper in the country and he is the best batsman of anyone currently keeping at State level in the country. His batting technique is possibly only surpassed by Khawaja in the current Australian line-up and in addition to which he is performing as he showed in his last Test match.
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Without switching off mobile mode I'll guess New South Welshman.

Snip. This part is plain nonsense.
The best keeper in the country is Ludeman. The rest of the keepers in the system are in the same band of decent without being spectacular.

As for batting... averages don't lie and his isn't acceptable for someone in the top 7. Can't drop him to 8 or lower as none of the bowlers are top 7 quality and we'd have to recall an allrounder when we don't have a decent one.

Nevill will be a walking wicket in India. He needs runs or should be boned. We can't carry a walking wicket for a gloveman.

 

[JG22]

Chad Sayers for the love of god
The most obvious selection, unfortunately it's too late but atleast give him Adelaide

 

[Soapy V]

my side for Adelaide:

Warner
Bancroft
Khawaja
Smith
Patterson or Handscomb
Maxwell
Wade
Starc
Hazelwood
Behrendorf or Sayer or Cummins
Zampa or Swepson

Time to bring in a Leggie. These two spin the ball and are wicket takers. Swepson bowled very well against India A in winter.
Maxwell at 6 is batting well and his off spin can hold an end and let leggies attack. Helps fielding and energy
Need another genuine quick wicket taker. Hazelwood can be 3rd bowler with line & length
Wade's keeping has improved a lot and is a genuine batsmen
Patterson & Handscomb are talent batsmen
Bancroft is as technically as good as anyone and suited to opening

 

[iluvparis]

Why would you suggest Wade for selection when at best he is a backstop, and probably the worst wicket-keeper to ever play a Test for Australia. I mean Neville's glove work is the best of any keeper in the country and he is the best batsman of anyone currently keeping at State level in the country. His batting technique is possibly only surpassed by Khawaja in the current Australian line-up and in addition to which he is performing as he showed in his last Test match.

Lol wut? Missed a stumping and is averaging 17 this year with the bat. He is performing at test level....awfully

 

[gbatman]

There really isn't much to chose from in our batting at the moment.

Where the hell is Chris Lynn? Had him earmarked as a future test player a few seasons ago when he was going well in the Shield. Seems to have disappeared.

Wade needs to come in, he's not as good a keeper as Nevill but He'll offer leadership and some batting resilience. White needs to be considered as difficult as that sounds, he's making some runs and is a leader. Jake Lehmann is one who should be highly considered, a growing talent.

Aussie side needs a fair shakeup, there isn't a hell of a lot of blokes out there screaming for a game but some are doing alright and those ones are at a good age to come into the side.

Warner
Harris
Khawaja
Smith
Handscome
Lehmann
Wade
Starc
Siddle
Lyon
Hazlewood


Klinger
White
Voges
Byrnes
Ferguson
Sayers
Stoinis
Faulkner
Agar
Tremain
Maxwell


We're probably suffering from a lack of good net bowling, we're certainly suffering from a lack of quality bowling around the country. Pattinson, Cummings, Starc, Bird and Siddle all missing some cricket. Batsmen need a lot of cricket and they haven't had it. May as well try something new.

I think if you're going to play an all rounder play Faulkner, seems to be one of the better bats out there in the all-rounder stakes. Bowls tight and will be handy in the sub continent. Harris has been a good young opener. Khawaja a bit hit and miss but hasn't been bad, Smith and Warner are must, Lehmann is progressing really well and scoring runs, good lower order batsman, Handscome has done well batting at 3 and should go well batting in the middle order at 5. Starc and Hazlewood are musts. Lyon has been terrible, found out for a guy who bowls the same ball every bal. Siddle if fit, there isn't much to chose from and he offers something different at reasonable quality.

Klinger would provide experience and grunt, been a top player for longer than Voges. Byrne just not impressive enough, Ferguson unlucky, White making some scores and a good leader, Sayers taking plenty of wickets, Stoinis is an impressive batsman who can bowl, Agar taking wickets and can bat and Tremain is going ok. Maxwell is a very good shield cricketer and he can bowl.

 

[t_94]

Temba Bavuma averaged less than 40 in first class cricket before getting called up for his first test. Didn't set the world on fire in his few tests either but is now doing quite well. Sometimes a little patience and foresight is required in picking the right player. FWIW I'd go with Patterson but Shield performances this round will count for plenty.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Temba Bavuma averaged less than 40 in first class cricket before getting called up for his first test. Didn't set the world on fire in his few tests either but is now doing quite well. Sometimes a little patience and foresight is required in picking the right player. FWIW I'd go with Patterson but Shield performances this round will count for plenty.

Perhaps, but he is also a beneficiary of a selection rule requiring a minimum number black players. Sometime you luck in. I think the Steve Smith selection in India was an act of desperation that came off due to Smith's character. And perhaps character needs to have a bigger say in future selections.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I think the main issue though is not enough of the right sort of cricket. They really need to break the season up into firstly long form, followed by the shorter forms. And further diluting the long form with this day/night stuff is nuts. There's plenty of night cricket to satisfy in the shorter forms.

But everything prior to Christmas should be Shield cricket, with at least 2 matches prior to first Test selection (and 2 Tour matches for the visiting Test side). Then you can have a Test season finishing with the New Years Test in Sydney. Then you can play the pyjama stuff after that.

If they don't start prioritising Test cricket, then quite simply it will die. If it isn't dead already.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Burns out for 4. Doesnt help his cause

 

[Milenko]

If SOS is fit he comes back in, surely.

 

[BarryMorgan]

If SOS is fit he comes back in, surely.

Won't be right to go until Pakistan series, no point risking further damage to his finger in a series that's already lost.

 

[BrownYouGun]

Marsh not in the squad per Cricinfo so presumably not fit... stuck with Burns again flipping hell...

 

[bird_man]

Jeez Burns has made it tough for the selectors. They would have loved for him to make a decent score so they can at least leave him in until Marsh is right. They've got a decision to make there now, he's obviously out of form, do they throw another guy in there even though it will most likely be for one game? Can Khawaja move up to open?

 

[Gough]

The team looks like it's lacking leadership at the moment, perhaps Bailey or Cowan comes into provide leadership, and hopefully a bit of backbone, and we draw a line through S Marsh, Ferguson, unlucky after one, Voges and Burns, and just pick the best young batsmen in the country, and throw them in at the deep end.

 

[iluvparis]

Despite how badly Burns is going I see no point dropping him when he will be replaced by Marsh as soon as he is healthy anyway.

 

[roscreasl98]

The team looks like it's lacking leadership at the moment, perhaps Bailey or Cowan comes into provide leadership, and hopefully a bit of backbone, and we draw a line through S Marsh, Ferguson, unlucky after one, Voges and Burns, and just pick the best young batsmen in the country, and throw them in at the deep end.

Don't think Cowan has a great leadership CV. Bailey maybe.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Despite how badly Burns is going I see no point dropping him when he will be replaced by Marsh as soon as he is healthy anyway.

Agree. We have a 2nd opener.
No point a youngster when none are making the runs required to get that openers spot.

 

[Kram]

The team looks like it's lacking leadership at the moment, perhaps Bailey or Cowan comes into provide leadership, and hopefully a bit of backbone, and we draw a line through S Marsh, Ferguson, unlucky after one, Voges and Burns, and just pick the best young batsmen in the country, and throw them in at the deep end.

You want to draw a line through Shaun Marsh but then bring in bloody Bailey or Cowan.

FMD.

 

[Wolfs]

Yeah but how long is Marsh out for?