Changes Round 5

[santa claws]

And once again Santa (although I am starting to suspect you are actually Gourdis himself), I respect the opinions of those in charge of coaching and developing the club. Anyone can watch a game of football but not as many can understand it....

whats to understand he either had a poor game or he had a decent game. 20 possies in 3 quarters a goal when forward for one quarter suggests he had a decent game.
you ignored the question how many did thornton kick in the first half and how much ball did he get in those two quarters while playing on gourdis.
it is pretty simple. yet you avoid answering it like the plague.it may suggest the coach has got it wrong.

i take it you havent seen the game either and we all know you trust the coaches no matter what. despite the coaches for ten yrs getting it so wrong including this yr. you go ahead and trust the coaches and heavily rely on what they say.
me well i trust none of them. and will continue to back in what i see.you know why i do this because more often than not im proved right simple isnt it.

i seem to recall late last yr the coaches were reluctant to give gourdis a game but when played showed plenty of promise.

did i say i dont trust the coaches in fact when looking at and identifieing talent and performance id trust my cousin or myself in front of the lot of them.thats not to say we dont get things wrong.

and no im not dave gourdis and i have plenty of concerns about his game. i would go so far as to say i have grave concerns about him making it, but hes not the lone ranger and hes one that just has not been given a go.lets plat the bloke and at least find out what he has to offer at the level.he is more physically ready and capable than many of the talls on our list.

what im currently questioning on this thread is supporters who havent even seen the game putting gourdis down when stats ah that filthy word suggest hes had a decent game. tell me how many did thornton kick on gourdis.

me im quite happy to see blokes like gourdis get a game rather than rehashing players who have failed for yrs.
how many games have we won so far. why have we lost those games. why have we performed so poorly in huge chunks of those games.
yet you want to persevere with players who are responsible and are quite happy to back in coaches who quite frankly have not proved a thing to date.good for you when those coaches actually prove themselves with our current list i will jump on your little bandwagon not before.

 

[rammbo]

out thursfield millar edwards in rance post webberley/tuck

 

[Cathal Brugha]

whats to understand he either had a poor game or he had a decent game. 20 possies in 3 quarters a goal when forward for one quarter suggests he had a decent game.
you ignored the question how many did thornton kick in the first half and how much ball did he get in those two quarters while playing on gourdis.
it is pretty simple. yet you avoid answering it like the plague.it may suggest the coach has got it wrong.

i take it you havent seen the game either and we all know you trust the coaches no matter what. despite the coaches for ten yrs getting it so wrong including this yr. you go ahead and trust the coaches and heavily rely on what they say.
me well i trust none of them. and will continue to back in what i see.you know why i do this because more often than not im proved right simple isnt it.

i seem to recall late last yr the coaches were reluctant to give gourdis a game but when played showed plenty of promise.

did i say i dont trust the coaches in fact when looking at and identifieing talent and performance id trust my cousin or myself in front of the lot of them.thats not to say we dont get things wrong.

and no im not dave gourdis and i have plenty of concerns about his game. i would go so far as to say i have grave concerns about him making it, but hes not the lone ranger and hes one that just has not been given a go.lets plat the bloke and at least find out what he has to offer at the level.he is more physically ready and capable than many of the talls on our list.

what im currently questioning on this thread is supporters who havent even seen the game putting gourdis down when stats ah that filthy word suggest hes had a decent game. tell me how many did thornton kick on gourdis.

me im quite happy to see blokes like gourdis get a game rather than rehashing players who have failed for yrs.
how many games have we won so far. why have we lost those games. why have we performed so poorly in huge chunks of those games.
yet you want to persevere with players who are responsible and are quite happy to back in coaches who quite frankly have not proved a thing to date.good for you when those coaches actually prove themselves with our current list i will jump on your little bandwagon not before.

Good post. We know what we've got with the Thursty,Rance,Macca and Moore's of this world.....and it isn't good enough. David has put his hand up in the two's and looked promising last year when he was promoted, so give him a shot RFC. IMO he is the only backman we have with the tools (potentially) to cover the monster forwards who routinely kill us.

 

[partycorolla]

whats to understand he either had a poor game or he had a decent game. 20 possies in 3 quarters a goal when forward for one quarter suggests he had a decent game.
you ignored the question how many did thornton kick in the first half and how much ball did he get in those two quarters while playing on gourdis.
it is pretty simple. yet you avoid answering it like the plague.it may suggest the coach has got it wrong.

i take it you havent seen the game either and we all know you trust the coaches no matter what. despite the coaches for ten yrs getting it so wrong including this yr. you go ahead and trust the coaches and heavily rely on what they say.
me well i trust none of them. and will continue to back in what i see.you know why i do this because more often than not im proved right simple isnt it.

i seem to recall late last yr the coaches were reluctant to give gourdis a game but when played showed plenty of promise.

did i say i dont trust the coaches in fact when looking at and identifieing talent and performance id trust my cousin or myself in front of the lot of them.thats not to say we dont get things wrong.

and no im not dave gourdis and i have plenty of concerns about his game. i would go so far as to say i have grave concerns about him making it, but hes not the lone ranger and hes one that just has not been given a go.lets plat the bloke and at least find out what he has to offer at the level.he is more physically ready and capable than many of the talls on our list.

what im currently questioning on this thread is supporters who havent even seen the game putting gourdis down when stats ah that filthy word suggest hes had a decent game. tell me how many did thornton kick on gourdis.

me im quite happy to see blokes like gourdis get a game rather than rehashing players who have failed for yrs.
how many games have we won so far. why have we lost those games. why have we performed so poorly in huge chunks of those games.
yet you want to persevere with players who are responsible and are quite happy to back in coaches who quite frankly have not proved a thing to date.good for you when those coaches actually prove themselves with our current list i will jump on your little bandwagon not before.

Ok Santa, I believe that you are not Dave Gourdis and apologise if you took any offence to that suggestion. You can blame this current coaching group for the last 10 years if you wish but I'm not going to. Gourdis has played 3 games for this club (those games were ok and showed glimpses) and when he is in the team I will support him. I have absolutely nothing against him and look forward to seeing him in the team when he is ready and deserves to be in there. According to our match committee, that is not now.

So before you try to talk to me about bandwagons and the like, how about you consider this.... You and your cousin are not proven coaches or talent identifiers at AFL or VFL level. You may have seen players you liked and they may have come on and become good players.... but guess what... so have probably a million people. I played footy with Cam Bruce and thought he was going to be a good footballer but that doesn't make me a better judge of someone's ability and game performance than those who do it full time as a profession. I've got coaching accreditations, umpired to a semi elite standard and have a career in sport and have worked with elite athletes but I'm still not delusional enough to think that I know better than those paid to their job. If you are delusional enough well then that just proves my point.

On Gourdis though, I don't believe I have ever put him down. I hope he makes it.... God knows we need some gun key backs.... When he is ready, he'll get his chance.

 

[Bazzar]

Interesting so many want Miller out. Just recently Paul Roos said it was a big mistake Melbourne made de-listing him as he is very important to their forward structure. Tiges and Dees will say he is talking crap, but he is a very well respected Premiership coach.

Will be interesting to see how long he stays. We have been criticised for relying on just Richo and now just Jack. So far this year, inside 50 targets has Jack at 8.8 per game and Miller last week was 8. So far its 50/50 so I hope he stays until Griff steps up as it will make our forward line more unpredictable with Jack being triple teamed.

 

[Cathal Brugha]

Interesting so many want Miller out. Just recently Paul Roos said it was a big mistake Melbourne made de-listing him as he is very important to their forward structure. Tiges and Dees will say he is talking crap, but he is a very well respected Premiership coach.

Will be interesting to see how long he stays. We have been criticised for relying on just Richo and now just Jack. So far this year, inside 50 targets has Jack at 8.8 per game and Miller last week was 8. So far its 50/50 so I hope he stays until Griff steps up as it will make our forward line more unpredictable with Jack being triple teamed.

Thought Brad was very good last week and could have kicked a bag with a bit of luck. His presence allows us to develop Griff and Posty at Coburg until they have forced Brad out.

 

[Bazzar]

Thought Brad was very good last week and could have kicked a bag with a bit of luck. His presence allows us to develop Griff and Posty at Coburg until they have forced Brad out.

Exactly how it should be.

 

[turtle27]

Changes are in.

In - McGuane, Tuck, Connors, Rance, Dea, Nason
Out - Thursfield, Astbury, Helbig

 

[Bruce Monteath]

Changes are in.

In - McGuane, Tuck, Connors, Rance, Dea, Nason
Out - Thursfield, Astbury, Helbig

Shows the gravity of this game - we appear to be going for the win.

 

[Bazzar]

Changes are in.

In - McGuane, Tuck, Connors, Rance, Dea, Nason
Out - Thursfield, Astbury, Helbig

Out of that lot I will go with McGuane, Rance and Connors "if fully fit," if not then Dea as the final 3

 

[santa claws]

Ok Santa, I believe that you are not Dave Gourdis and apologise if you took any offence to that suggestion. You can blame this current coaching group for the last 10 years if you wish but I'm not going to. Gourdis has played 3 games for this club (those games were ok and showed glimpses) and when he is in the team I will support him. I have absolutely nothing against him and look forward to seeing him in the team when he is ready and deserves to be in there. According to our match committee, that is not now.

So before you try to talk to me about bandwagons and the like, how about you consider this.... You and your cousin are not proven coaches or talent identifiers at AFL or VFL level. You may have seen players you liked and they may have come on and become good players.... but guess what... so have probably a million people. I played footy with Cam Bruce and thought he was going to be a good footballer but that doesn't make me a better judge of someone's ability and game performance than those who do it full time as a profession. I've got coaching accreditations, umpired to a semi elite standard and have a career in sport and have worked with elite athletes but I'm still not delusional enough to think that I know better than those paid to their job. If you are delusional enough well then that just proves my point.

On Gourdis though, I don't believe I have ever put him down. I hope he makes it.... God knows we need some gun key backs.... When he is ready, he'll get his chance.

there is very little you or anyone can say on an obscure internet forum that would offend me.
i will say i approach every thread with honesty and i try to be consistent.

lol in my group is another cousin who was second in charge of recruiting at sydney his best recruiting coup was probably adam goodes.id back him in against jackson and cameron anyday. very knowledgable football people my rellies.if you wish me to confirm this i will in a private pm.

oh im happy to compare myself against those at the club i have a pretty decent record of being proven right over a long period of time. and yep i have made some howlers along the way.im not so silly as to not admit getting things wrong.

anyway i dont profess to be a better judge or anything than those at the club but i certainly do trust what i see for myself, i dont subscribe to the theory that they dont get anything wrong at the club either in fact so far this yr they have got plenty wrong.

finally my involvment started on this thread when people who had not even seen the game questioned the accuracy of those who had. it was i havent seen it but the coach said this so it must be so do the coaches not get it wrong ever.

i will say again gourdis played on thornton for two quarters he had damn good stats for those quarters and observers who saw the game one i trust a lot said he did well.

he was hurt in the opening minutes of the third and did not come back on until the 25 min mark of the third and when he did it was in the forward line.

now i have asked this several time how many goals did thornton kick in quarters 1 and 2 and was he influential. because common sense says only the first 2 quarters are relevant when talking about the thornton gourdis match up.
oh and as i havent seen the game i too would place a lot of credence on what the coach has to say it just seems what he says is not backed up by stats or by what some others have to say.

 

[partycorolla]

there is very little you or anyone can say on an obscure internet forum that would offend me.
i will say i approach every thread with honesty and i try to be consistent.

lol in my group is another cousin who was second in charge of recruiting at sydney his best recruiting coup was probably adam goodes.id back him in against jackson and cameron anyday. very knowledgable football people my rellies.if you wish me to confirm this i will in a private pm.

oh im happy to compare myself against those at the club i have a pretty decent record of being proven right over a long period of time. and yep i have made some howlers along the way.im not so silly as to not admit getting things wrong.

anyway i dont profess to be a better judge or anything than those at the club but i certainly do trust what i see for myself, i dont subscribe to the theory that they dont get anything wrong at the club either in fact so far this yr they have got plenty wrong.

finally my involvment started on this thread when people who had not even seen the game questioned the accuracy of those who had. it was i havent seen it but the coach said this so it must be so do the coaches not get it wrong ever.

i will say again gourdis played on thornton for two quarters he had damn good stats for those quarters and observers who saw the game one i trust a lot said he did well.

he was hurt in the opening minutes of the third and did not come back on until the 25 min mark of the third and when he did it was in the forward line.

now i have asked this several time how many goals did thornton kick in quarters 1 and 2 and was he influential. because common sense says only the first 2 quarters are relevant when talking about the thornton gourdis match up.
oh and as i havent seen the game i too would place a lot of credence on what the coach has to say it just seems what he says is not backed up by stats or by what some others have to say.

Whoa there Santa, I don't think I said that coaches never get anything wrong.... I was talking about this whole Gourdis thing and that in this case I definitely take the written word of the development coach over some anonymous poster. He has a much higher vested interest in getting his analysis right than said poster. Stats tell some of the story and can't always be relied on. What I will say about Goo is that he did seem to be a higher possession back man than we have had of recent times... could be useful provided he can do his main job and stop his man...

Now about your cousin.... I have no idea about what you say is true or not. From what I remember of Goodes he was drafted in the 40's or 50's and therefore wouldn't have been Sydney's first or probably 2nd pick. I can only guess that the first 2 probably weren't as good as him (ok that's a given) so it's fair to say that the swans recruiters (like every else) made several blues at that draft (like every draft). In fact the one drafting thing that really used to annoy me was the whole Tambling/Franklin thing. Yeah we stuffed up, but so did the Hawks (Roughead is pretty much rubbish too, compared to Buddy). Anyway side issue.

I'm glad you don't take offence.... you can be fun to stir up

 

[Bazzar]

lol in my group is another cousin who was second in charge of recruiting at sydney his best recruiting coup was probably adam goodes.id back him in against jackson and cameron anyday. very knowledgable football people my rellies.if you wish me to confirm this i will in a private pm.

Obviously you rate your cousin, but do you rate Paul Roos?

 

[SPOCK]

Whoa there Santa, I don't think I said that coaches never get anything wrong.... I was talking about this whole Gourdis thing and that in this case I definitely take the written word of the development coach over some anonymous poster. He has a much higher vested interest in getting his analysis right than said poster. Stats tell some of the story and can't always be relied on. What I will say about Goo is that he did seem to be a higher possession back man than we have had of recent times... could be useful provided he can do his main job and stop his man...

Now about your cousin.... I have no idea about what you say is true or not. From what I remember of Goodes he was drafted in the 40's or 50's and therefore wouldn't have been Sydney's first or probably 2nd pick. I can only guess that the first 2 probably weren't as good as him (ok that's a given) so it's fair to say that the swans recruiters (like every else) made several blues at that draft (like every draft). In fact the one drafting thing that really used to annoy me was the whole Tambling/Franklin thing. Yeah we stuffed up, but so did the Hawks (Roughead is pretty much rubbish too, compared to Buddy). Anyway side issue.

I'm glad you don't take offence.... you can be fun to stir up

Sorry PC you have got another one wrong, our development coach is Tim Clarke, yet another low cost Richmond joke coach, along with Dave Newitt, the worst VFL coach I have ever seen, no doubt some of the posters on this site would have more idea then those 2 nobodies

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Sorry PC you have got another one wrong, our development coach is Tim Clarke, yet another low cost Richmond joke coach, along with Dave Newitt, the worst VFL coach I have ever seen, no doubt some of the posters on this site would have more idea then those 2 nobodies

He's obviously terrible if you can't get his name right.

Personally I have a lot of time for Newett.

He's astute, maintains good relationships with the players, and has coached successful teams before going to the VFL. His development, alongside that of AFL Tas, in nurturing Ryan Harwood and Aaron Cornelius to be AFL level was top notch.

Not only a good coach, but a very good development coach too. But I think that's why he was appointed in a development role in Tasmania, before going to North as their development coach. Obviously has a few credentials.

 

[SPOCK]

He's obviously terrible if you can't get his name right.

Personally I have a lot of time for Newett.

He's astute, maintains good relationships with the players, and has coached successful teams before going to the VFL. His development, alongside that of AFL Tas, in nurturing Ryan Harwood and Aaron Cornelius to be AFL level was top notch.

Not only a good coach, but a very good development coach too. But I think that's why he was appointed in a development role in Tasmania, before going to North as their development coach. Obviously has a few credentials.

Nice defence TT, but I watch most Coburg games last year, 9 times Coburg where in contention at 3/4 time and Newett (happy) showed zilch, not inspiraion, not tactics, not changes... nothing very very disappointing coach.....mine you has been replace this year by highly inspirational football genious (school teacher) Adam Potter...Eff ME...you wonder why we are where we are, you would have to agree we are the worst development club in the AFL

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Nice defence TT, but I watch most Coburg games last year, 9 times Coburg where in contention at 3/4 time and Newett (happy) showed zilch, not inspiraion, not tactics, not changes... nothing very very disappointing coach.....mine you has been replace this year by highly inspirational football genious (school teacher) Adam Potter...Eff ME...you wonder why we are where we are, you would have to agree we are the worst development club in the AFL

How much is the choice of Newett and how much is the rigidness of Richmond as to how we should line up with our listed players though?

Obviously he did something right if he got a promotion out of it.

I don't think we need to be looking at Coburg's win/loss record to determine how much of a success our development is.

 

[tugga]

How much is the choice of Newett and how much is the rigidness of Richmond as to how we should line up with our listed players though?

Obviously he did something right if he got a promotion out of it.

I don't think we need to be looking at Coburg's win/loss record to determine how much of a success our development is.

I'd back your opinion and research when it comes to underage talent and VFL behind the scenes over almost anyone on here.

 

[partycorolla]

Sorry PC you have got another one wrong, our development coach is Tim Clarke, yet another low cost Richmond joke coach, along with Dave Newitt, the worst VFL coach I have ever seen, no doubt some of the posters on this site would have more idea then those 2 nobodies

Actually SPOCK.... according to our website, the Coburg report is written by... and I quote "Development coach, David Newett'... So bad luck there son, sorry you are unable to read... or in fact able to understand the information provided on your own club's website...

Mind you, you're own coaching career is pretty good at VFL level isn't it? Oh wait, let me guess.... you haven't have you. Just another mindless idiot who thinks they can.... Fair dinkum.... Just keep going and working towards that government cheque each fortnight

 

[SPOCK]

Actually SPOCK.... according to our website, the Coburg report is written by... and I quote "Development coach, David Newitt'... So bad luck there son, sorry you are unable to read... or in fact able to understand the information provided on your own club's website...

Mind you, you're own coaching career is pretty good at VFL level isn't it? Oh wait, let me guess.... you haven't have you. Just another mindless idiot who thinks they can.... Fair dinkum.... Just keep going and working towards that government cheque each fortnight

Take your medication 'partly corona' if you cant discuss a point with any semblance of football knowledge don't bother with that dribble, posters who actually go to these games have every right to question poor analysis by very average RFC staff, or haven't you noticed our record these past years

 

[partycorolla]

Take your medication 'partly corona' if you cant discuss a point with any semblance of football knowledge don't bother with that dribble, posters who actually go to these games have every right to question poor analysis by very average RFC staff, or haven't you noticed our record these past years

Yeah, really sensible reply there. I like the projections of your own insecurities. Had to take medication for something before I take it, possibly a mental illness I'm guessing.... I'd take a stab at depression. Well that's no laughing matter and I hope you are dealing with it ok. Best of luck.

I certainly have no issue with questioning whoever.... but at least get the names right sonny.... there's a good boy.