Changes v Melbourne

[RossFC]

Some well wisher called Ben Kinley
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oh my hahaha

 

[edgie]

Can't blame Dixon for his lack of scoring opportunities. Perhaps if our midfield knew how to kick a football and make the right decisions our forward line would be more efficient.

Literally every other KPF on our list that has played in the second half of the season has scored better than Dixon. They have managed to somehow snag a couple along the way. Why can't he? Can't continually blame the setups for his lack of output, and if you are then that is a brush which has to tar equally to all KPF.

 

[*PAF]

This point's probably already been made, but if we don't delist or trade Butcher after tonight, everyone involved with playing personnel decision-making should go.

Jay is almost certainly cooked. Dougal's blown out his knee. Dixon's crying out to be shut down for the year after the ankle tweak and frankly deplorable form of his past 7 games (4 goals, 1 goal assist, no more than 3 marks).

If we intend on giving him another year, why would you pass up the chance to give the Dixon-Butcher experiment another run, in a league match, against a commensurate opponent, in more favourable conditions at home? Or is waiting 6 months to trial it in the NAB Challenge against Jong Footscray at Bordertown in 36 degree heat preferable?

Never mind the opportunity to put Dixon in cotton wool and potentially get Butcher's trade value up. What if he performs to even half the level he did against Melbourne or Gold Coast? Not only are we protecting one of our prime assets, we could extract a 3rd round pick from a desperate Lions outfit or similar.

It's gotten to the point where there's no plan and everything is improvised. A sure sign this regime has lost it, and are now not sure they ever had it.

Yet another year of just expecting it to click then.

Just quoting it to make sure it appears more than once.

 

[cmpower]

Butcher wasn't the reason we lost last week, look at our 1 way midfielders.

 

[Rankor]

Not sure how dixon deserves a game atm and butch gets dropped.
Dixon better repay some faith here and actually hold a mark.

Now to grab my brekkie, sit down and go back through the melts.

 

[Jonts]

What's trengove shown as a forward

Ever?
What quarter did i miss that suggested hell there is a forward here

 

[Power Girl]

I'm still grumpy today. It doesn't get better with time.

Can someone give me reasons (without the guilt of being loyal - I'm an ex-Catholic I already have been on the best guilt trips of a lifetime) as to why I should waste my Saturday night going?

I will go to the footy with some hope. Get angry, frustrated and sad, experience adrenal overload, freeze my arse off, feel depressed for the rest of the weekend and then rinse and repeat the following week. There has got to be more to life than being jilted every weekend by Port.

When we are playing chaotic football on Saturday I will be blaming selections, blaming lack of game plan, blaming skills coaching and blaming fitness coaches. I don't want to blame. I want to be caught up in the thrill of the game - there is no thrill watching Port now.

 

[johnnysix]

I will go to the footy with some hope. Get angry, frustrated and sad, experience adrenal overload, freeze my arse off, feel depressed for the rest of the weekend and then rinse and repeat the following week. There has got to be more to life than being jilted every weekend by Port.

When we are playing chaotic football on Saturday I will be blaming selections, blaming lack of game plan, blaming skills coaching and blaming fitness coaches. I don't want to blame. I want to be caught up in the thrill of the game - there is no thrill watching Port now.

This is actually the true price we will pay for the last two years. You can bang on about being loyal and "keeping the faith", but it's bums on seats that will be the true cost of two very disappointing seasons. You can talk about fair weather supporters, but only masochists enjoy the kind of pain and disappointment we've endured this year. You can point at clubs like Melbourne and Richmond and and ask "what about their supporters?" but the sad fact is, people have come to expect it from them and if we continue like this, they'll come to expect it from us. People *should* be disappointed. If our club isn't disappointed then we are setting ourselves up for mediocrity and thats not the Port Adelaide I know. It's not the Port Adelaide people come to see and it's not the Port Adelaide that became a lot of people's second favorite team to watch a mere few years ago.

I had issues with my TV signal last weekend and when i finally got it sorted at around half time, I gave up. I looked at the scoreboard and I thought..."do I really want to walk around pissed off for the rest of the weekend?" "Should my girlfriend have to put up with me in a shit for the rest of the day?". Fortunately there is more to life than football and I turned it off and saved myself from a shitty weekend. The good thing is, there's always next week, and next season. I know we wont give up but FFS Port, give me a reason to care this week.

 

[chiwigi]

Trengove has to play up forward next year as there is no other spot for him.

Hombsch, Clurey and Austin will be the KPD's down back and Trengove is not going to take one of their spots.

We need Trengove to support Ryder in the ruck next year so we might as well give him the next 3 games up forward to see what he can do.

Plus Butcher is gone at the end of the year so we need to start planning for what will happen next year.

Trengove is a bloody awful forward, am I the only person who remembers him playing there a couple of seasons back?

 

[1954]

I will be watching the Lobbe v Gawn battle with more than usual interest.

Big Maxie is in All Australian form, he absolutely torched the squawker's rucks last week, and he tore the rock lobster, ( and any other ruck we tried against him ), a new one in that preseason game at the ponderosa, which even though it was only nab cup, should have rung some very loud alarm bells with the coaching staff re our ruck stocks.

I believe the best we can hope for is that Lobbe ( with the help of Jacko ) can negate Gawn's influence, because if they can't and the Dee's bloke takes control, the chances of winning the game will obviously be seriously reduced.

 

[Powerade 08]

What's trengove shown as a forward

Ever?
What quarter did i miss that suggested hell there is a forward here

Can say the same for the player he is replacing.

 

[chiwigi]

Can say the same for the player he is replacing.

Yeah, Butcher has never, ever shown ANYTHING up forward.

 

[Muunky Tuunk Man]

This is going to be another of those games where we probably win by a fair margin and the coaching staff feels vindicated that everything is all good again.

Last weeks insipid effort should have resulted in senior players being dropped. Simple as that. How does an effort like that get rewarded with a game this week? I'm just baffled.

 

[Port01]

Forward structure take 19.
One day I will work out what the coaches actually think we should be doing ahead of the ball.

 

[JayPea14]

Oh look, Jesse Palmer got picked... As a forward, replacing Brendon Ah Chee as another not quite forward not quite midfielder in our squad.

Could we pick a position that lets these players excel at and keep them there?

Is he a forward, is he a midfielder?

He will struggle because our structure is so convoluted and broken that when in the forward line he'll be like:

and in the midfield everyone in there will be like:

We have too many inbetweener players who have given our coaches this false sense of flexibility.

Player - Inbetweener position the coaches see them as - Actual position

Ryder - Forward/Ruck - #1 ruck
Broadbent - Utility - Literally no idea tbh
Hartlett - Mid/Def - Same as Broadbent
Trengove - Def/Ruck - Forward/Ruck
O'shea - Def - Wing/HFF
Stewart - KPF/KPD - HBF
Amon - Forward/Wing - See Broadbent
Dixon - FF - Forward/Ruck
Lobbe - Ruck - see Broadbent
Impey - Def/Forward - Forward
Palmer - Forward/Mid - see Broadbent
Westhoff - Nomad - KPP
Young - Mostly forward/mid - HFF
Ah Chee - Mid/forward - Midfielder (i think)

14 players whose positions are as confusing as our game plan and consistency is.

Chuck in Wingard....he has to be thrown on the ball much more often than he has this season! does my head in when he is having a quiet game and they leave him up forward with no delivery

 

[OneGreatClub]

Forward structure take 19.
One day I will work out what the coaches actually think we should be doing ahead of the ball.

Bassett and other coaches have said our forwards haven't got back in time to receive the ball..duh

 

[philthy05]

Oh look, Jesse Palmer got picked... As a forward, replacing Brendon Ah Chee as another not quite forward not quite midfielder in our squad.

Could we pick a position that lets these players excel at and keep them there?

Is he a forward, is he a midfielder?

He will struggle because our structure is so convoluted and broken that when in the forward line he'll be like:

and in the midfield everyone in there will be like:

We have too many inbetweener players who have given our coaches this false sense of flexibility.

Player - Inbetweener position the coaches see them as - Actual position

Ryder - Forward/Ruck - #1 ruck
Broadbent - Utility - Literally no idea tbh
Hartlett - Mid/Def - Same as Broadbent
Trengove - Def/Ruck - Forward/Ruck
O'shea - Def - Wing/HFF
Stewart - KPF/KPD - HBF
Amon - Forward/Wing - See Broadbent
Dixon - FF - Forward/Ruck
Lobbe - Ruck - see Broadbent
Impey - Def/Forward - Forward
Palmer - Forward/Mid - see Broadbent
Westhoff - Nomad - KPP
Young - Mostly forward/mid - HFF
Ah Chee - Mid/forward - Midfielder (i think)

14 players whose positions are as confusing as our game plan and consistency is.

Agree. We have far too many players who I wanna call jack of all trades because they are master of none, but to be honest they aren't even adequate at all trades to be called jack of all trades.

What we are left with is a bunch of players in positions they don't excel at.

Yeah on Broadbent, he's good for 15 touches a game. But wtf does he actually do?

I have been harping on broadbents performance all year. He is a senior player and has not made one single tiny improvement to his game at all in the last 5 years. That's embarrassing , like how can he not improve after like a 100 odd games where he has never been even under the threat of losing his spot. He has had the kind of benefit of the doubt we would love to see given to butcher , but he is an easily replaceable half back flanker.

takes a few uncontested marks in the backline and hacks the ball forward

I've never seen him attack contests in the air like pittard , or glued to his opponent like dbj. I'm left wondering what his role is in the backline because I never see him within miles of his opponent when the ball comes in fast. And for a spare defender he gets less of the ball than he should. For me dbj took his spot, and broadbent shouldn't be out there.

I have no idea where he plays his best football, because he's average to good wherever they put him. He is yet to have a position and take ownership of it and he's 26, you'd hope he would have nailed a position by now.

He's like a slower, shorter, less talented Westhoff. Which is what our coaches like to call "flexible" which actually means "good bloke, does his job, not much else though."

Agree.



Back 6 smalls defenders / runners

Pittard , dbj , krak , bonner , broadbent

This would be my defensive small backman depth chart next season

Considering broadbent is the eldest of the group , and the least necessary to our side he should absolutely be offered out there for trade.

 

[Jonts]

Can say the same for the player he is replacing.

His ability to take pack marks as a forward is well acknowledged

He also kicked four goals two weeks ago

 

[Powerade 08]

His ability to take pack marks as a forward is well acknowledged

It's well acknowledged in the Butcher thread. It's also well acknowledged in the Butcher thread that he has the best goal conversion of any forward ever.

In reality, the pack marks he takes are all in dead rubbers against poor opposition who aren't marking him and he has a free run over the back of a pack. Nothing particularly special. It's not like he takes actual contested marks, he gets ragdolled whenever he is matched up on a proper key defender. Even Allir Allir.

But I learnt a long time ago that arguing with Butcher fans is pointless, so.

 

[JayPea14]

It's well acknowledged in the Butcher thread. It's also well acknowledged in the Butcher thread that he has the best goal conversion of any forward ever.

lol thats because when he misses he doesn't even get a behind

 

[Jonts]

It's well acknowledged in the Butcher thread. It's also well acknowledged in the Butcher thread that he has the best goal conversion of any forward ever.

In reality, the pack marks he takes are all in dead rubbers against poor opposition who aren't marking him and he has a free run over the back of a pack. Nothing particularly special. It's not like he takes actual contested marks, he gets ragdolled whenever he is matched up on a proper key defender. Even Allir Allir.

But I learnt a long time ago that arguing with Butcher fans is pointless, so.

Dermott clearly talked up his marking during the Brisbane game and it's his best asset at SANFl level but ok

Keep that tin foil hat on

 

[manureid]

We almost need to lose this game, so that we put up a decent showing next week. Win this comfortably and we will be back to shisen next week. Such is the mental game we bring.

 

[Adz2332]

Id have put bonner in for broadbent.
Left butcher in for oshea n let trengove go back when not rucking

 

[Quadzilla]

Bassett and other coaches have said our forwards haven't got back in time to receive the ball..duh

... back from where?

 

[ScooterBrother]

I've never seen him attack contests in the air like pittard ,

Well, now you have:

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/vi...hew-broadbent-courageous-mark-r2-v-swans-2015