Changes v Tigers 25 Apr

[el jefe]

no he doesnt, crowley has always been fighting with dodd as our best runner.

You are probably right, but when you're not being accountable then what good is it. Schammer offers more than Crowley IMO.

 

[dominguez]

It is astonishing to think people are still considering giving Schammer another go.

Schammer stuffs up from time to time, but he runs all day and gets more of the ball than deBoer and VanBerlo combined.

How many of Crowley and deBoer's kicks have hit the target over the last fortnight, I can't recall Scammer ever missing a shot from the goal square.

 

[Alfonz]

Schammer stuffs up from time to time, but he runs all day and gets more of the ball than deBoer and VanBerlo combined.

How many of Crowley and deBoer's kicks have hit the target over the last fortnight, I can't recall Scammer ever missing a shot from the goal square.

But those players are not in the team to get the ball. They are defensive players. I will admit they have their problems, and I'd like to see us have tagging type players who can hurt the other team ... but Schammer is not the answer.

Schammer can not play their roles because they have better strength/fitness/speed and a better defensive/tackling/spoiling ability. DeBoer, Van Berlo and Crowley might be some of our lower tier players, but at what they do they are far better than Schammer. People talk like Schammer is some kind of hard-running, super-quick, tackling machine ... he is not. He is a midget, he is not strong in the contest nor the air, he is a poor/clumsy tackler, and he is not actually that fast.

And if you want to replace a defensive player with someone who wins more of the ball, then it comes back to Schammer being a problem when he gets it. I don't want him in the team if he is going to be racking up possessions.

 

[el jefe]

Schammer stuffs up from time to time, but he runs all day and gets more of the ball than deBoer and VanBerlo combined.

How many of Crowley and deBoer's kicks have hit the target over the last fortnight, I can't recall Scammer ever missing a shot from the goal square.

Welcome aboard the Schammertime express.

 

[dockers_bengals]

FFS!Its about time people woke up to Crowley being crap.
Dodd and Schammer cant tag,it has to be DeBoer who hasn't been bad.

 

[Bad Brain]

It's funny but I reckon that was actually Mcphee's best game for us this year. Almost bug-esque the way he crashed that pack (in the 3rd quater, I think).

Still, if I had my way I would have made him sit outside locker room while the boys sang the song in the first 3 rounds. It's hard to justify not dropping him unless Des is injured.

For mine:
McPhee, VB - out

Keps, Palmer - in

I also don't mind the idea of rewarding form and giving Schammer a crack soon. I reckon his tackling and work rate would fit in nicely.

 

[dockers_bengals]

Would it be right to say Mcphee only fault was he dropped marks as I thought the rest of his game was good enough.
I can't see a spot for Schammer unless I suppose he could do DeBoer position

 

[el jefe]

Would it be right to say Mcphee only fault was he dropped marks as I thought the rest of his game was good enough.
I can't see a spot for Schammer unless I suppose he could do DeBoer position

McPhee has been getting better each week, the only problem is he started from such a low base that it will be months before he actually plays a good game.

The positives of his game are that his set shot for goal is solid and he adds value when he doesn't have the ball with 1%ers. I'd give downhill des the chop before McPhee. Fyfe could do what Des does and more.

 

[masai]

McPhee has been getting better each week, the only problem is he started from such a low base that it will be months before he actually plays a good game.

Hammer hits nail on head. I reckon he is getting better week by week, do the stats sheets show the broken packs, blocks, bumps etc ?.

It seems some people want to throw out the baby with the bath water !!!.

 

[Evans2608]

Out: Headland, JVB

I am not a big fan of Headland (altough he did look sore/like he has a niggle)- bit of a front runner and when the going gets tough he goes missing. I acknowledge the delivery into the forwardline wasn't great due to the enormous pressure of the Saints but Des didn't seem to get to many contests let alone touch it.

I really like JVB and his performances have been very encouraging. However I think a rest would not necessarily be a bad thing for him this week. Richmond don't really have anyone dangerous to tag that Crowley wouldn't cover. Also in the interests of consistency he could be dropped. One dropped mark in the 1st half going back with the flight, he did seem to duck his head. I understand that Duffield got dropped last year for a similar 'crime' so it wouldnt seem out of place.

In: Fyfe, Palmer

Been very impressed with Fyfe's statistics and also his performance last week in the WAFL. Seems a smart player who understands his role in the team. I thought he looked taller aswell. Also, more likely to be in our inaugural premiership team than Dessie. Would much prefer him to Murphy because when Murphy plays not only is he just an average player but he isn't very good for our defensive forward line pressure. Those advocating Murphy in for Mayne should also consider the pressure Mayne does provide in our forwardline even if he has struggled a bit in the last couple of weeks

Palmer is pretty obvious really. Good game to come in against Richmond. I think a firing Palmer would have really helped us last week. I thought that in the last quarter the Saints experienced hands showed and I think that his ability to get his hands on the ball from contested situations cleanly would have been great in the late stages. I also do not agree with dropping Hasleby - one poor game and I'm sure he would be dissapointed with his efforts.

 

[Billy Hunt]

The reason we have been so crap for 15 years is because we keep on playing recycled crap players on big bucks.

Play the kids, they are our future.

Adam McPhee:
Season average 5.75 kicks 3.25 HB 3 marks

 

[Puregold]

Hammer hits nail on head. I reckon he is getting better week by week, do the stats sheets show the broken packs, blocks, bumps etc ?.

It seems some people want to throw out the baby with the bath water !!!.

Crashing packs means nothing when you are the one falling over. Every time he went up for a contested mark or into a pack he dropped the ball and went down onto all fours and the saints had the numbers (and stayed on their feet) to clear the ball. It was his best game for us but it still wasn't up to scratch.

I don't see why he is playing. There isn't a position on the ground that we need him for. I think he is taking the place of a back up ruckman or spare midfielder.

 

[dominguez]

But those players are not in the team to get the ball. They are defensive players. I will admit they have their problems, and I'd like to see us have tagging type players who can hurt the other team ... but Schammer is not the answer.

Schammer can not play their roles because they have better strength/fitness/speed and a better defensive/tackling/spoiling ability.

Would VB and DeBoer be stronger than Schammer, I wouldn't have thought so? Byron would probably have them covered over 20 metres, 100 metres and 4 kilometres too.

DeBoer's frontal pressure is good, but so is Ballantyne's and Balla's also kicks goals. If Schammer can play as a roaming half forward and get a goal and 20 possessions (compared to deBoer's 2 kicks) while still applying pressure and laying 4 or 5 tackles surely that makes the team better?

 

[Clay Davis]

It's like Dockerland in here!

Has Schammer ever been a defensive mid? For mine he is offensive but with very little hurt factor.

If he can remake himself as a tagger that would be great.

 

[Mayneman]

Out : Headland, JVB, Michael Johnson
In : Palmer, Fyfe, Clarke

Des Headland has been nothing short of a disaster for our club, and whilst I doubt it will happen, I'd love to see him made an example of. His efforts on the weekend, from a seasoned footballer, were appalling.

JVB got a look at real intensity, had a few dissappointing marking efforts where his head dipped and will pay a price. I still think he offers alot to this footy club, is very tight, did a fairly good job on Montagna and really should have been pushed to Milne IMO.

Michael Johnson's skills are sub par, adds little in the ruck and pulled out of a contest in the third, which was noted by Jimmy Hird. If it's good enough for Duff to get the axe last year, JVB and Jonno need to cop their medicine for a week or two back in the two's.

Anyone calling for Schammer to come in as a tagger is kidding themselves, he cant help himself, his defensive mindset is terrible, like a bee to a honey pot so is Schammer to the ball, he cant help himself. Often leaves his opponent and is a ball watcher.

 

[Clay Davis]

Anyone calling for Schammer to come in as a tagger is kidding themselves, he cant help himself, his defensive mindset is terrible, like a bee to a honey pot so is Schammer to the ball, he cant help himself. Often leaves his opponent and is a ball watcher.

I agree with that, at the moment - his tackling style is horrible. But if he can remake himself as a tagger, he'll have more value than Crowley, IMO.

 

[toenail11]

Would VB and DeBoer be stronger than Schammer, I wouldn't have thought so? Byron would probably have them covered over 20 metres, 100 metres and 4 kilometres too.

DeBoer's frontal pressure is good, but so is Ballantyne's and Balla's also kicks goals. If Schammer can play as a roaming half forward and get a goal and 20 possessions (compared to deBoer's 2 kicks) while still applying pressure and laying 4 or 5 tackles surely that makes the team better?

Yep. DeBoer's pressure is good, but Schammer apply's great pressure also. I actually think Schammer has better skills than DeBoer (first half of 09 i thought there was a big improvement, but yes nab cup form was bad), and gets a lot more of the ball.

I dont see how people would have DeBoer in the side before Schammer. (Not saying DeBoer can't improve, and he was pretty impressive last year)

 

[greenred]

Yep. DeBoer's pressure is good, but Schammer apply's great pressure also. I actually think Schammer has better skills than DeBoer (first half of 09 i thought there was a big improvement, but yes nab cup form was bad), and gets a lot more of the ball.

I dont see how people would have DeBoer in the side before Schammer. (Not saying DeBoer can't improve, and he was pretty impressive last year)

How many times has Schammer played the role De Boer played the past two games? Hard to compare players on disposal numbers when they are playing in different positions.

 

[Clay Davis]

The difference for mine is that De Boer knows how to tackle fairly, but Schammer doesn't.

 

[Alfonz]

Would VB and DeBoer be stronger than Schammer, I wouldn't have thought so? Byron would probably have them covered over 20 metres, 100 metres and 4 kilometres too.

DeBoer's frontal pressure is good, but so is Ballantyne's and Balla's also kicks goals. If Schammer can play as a roaming half forward and get a goal and 20 possessions (compared to deBoer's 2 kicks) while still applying pressure and laying 4 or 5 tackles surely that makes the team better?

I seriously doubt Schammer could do a job as a defensive forward, get 20 possessions and a goal, 4 tackles ... geez he'd almost win our B&F. But IF he can do that, then of course!

VB and DeBoer would be stronger and quicker than Schammer in my opinion. DeBoer especially. Though Schammer looks strong/quick ... he is a midget and this can be deceptive. He might be strong for his height ... but overall he is still quite weak by AFL standards. Order our list by weight ... the only players lighter than Schammer are players who have barely played, Hill and Ballantyne (another midget). And when his little legs pump, it makes him look like he is running fast, but he is not.

His lack of height also means he would be unable to compete in marking contests as well as DeBoer and VB, which is vital for a defensive role in the forward or backline.

The only distance Schammer would have them covered is maybe 4km, but that isn't that relevant these days. Repeat sprints is most relevant, DeBoer would blow Schammer away in a short distance foot race. I guess you could say Schammer's endurance might help in repeat sprints, but still, I'd back DeBoer and Van Berlo in pace.

 

[toenail11]

How many times has Schammer played the role De Boer played the past two games? Hard to compare players on disposal numbers when they are playing in different positions.

More the reason to give Byron a go at DeBoer's role. Schammer has barely ever played the defensive forward role, who knows, he could fill the role nicely.

 

[Clay Davis]

More the reason to give Byron a go at DeBoer's role. Schammer has barely ever played the defensive forward role, who knows, he could fill the role nicely.

He'd need to prove it at WAFL level first.

 

[greenred]

More the reason to give Byron a go at DeBoer's role. Schammer has barely ever played the defensive forward role, who knows, he could fill the role nicely.

Does De Boer get the same opportunity to have a go in the middle?

I can't see De Boer being dropped. He was rushed into the team to play the top two sides after missing weeks through injury. Schammer was already available and in good form, but was overlooked. Even Palmer has been forced to wait for the relatively easier opponent in Richmond. De Boer would rightly feel aggrieved if he misses out on taking on Richmond.

 

[Selggad]

I seriously doubt Schammer could do a job as a defensive forward, get 20 possessions and a goal, 4 tackles ... geez he'd almost win our B&F. But IF he can do that, then of course!

VB and DeBoer would be stronger and quicker than Schammer in my opinion. DeBoer especially. Though Schammer looks strong/quick ... he is a midget and this can be deceptive. He might be strong for his height ... but overall he is still quite weak by AFL standards. Order our list by weight ... the only players lighter than Schammer are players who have barely played, Hill and Ballantyne (another midget). And when his little legs pump, it makes him look like he is running fast, but he is not.

His lack of height also means he would be unable to compete in marking contests as well as DeBoer and VB, which is vital for a defensive role in the forward or backline.

The only distance Schammer would have them covered is maybe 4km, but that isn't that relevant these days. Repeat sprints is most relevant, DeBoer would blow Schammer away in a short distance foot race. I guess you could say Schammer's endurance might help in repeat sprints, but still, I'd back DeBoer and Van Berlo in pace.

^^This makes sense.

More the reason to give Byron a go at DeBoer's role. Schammer has barely ever played the defensive forward role, who knows, he could fill the role nicely.

^^ This is speculative.

I think Schammer is going to really struggle to get game time this year. Unless palmer and hase are out, he doesn't have an obvious role and I don't see much wisdom in trying and re-invent him when there are other players with more upside and better characteristics to fill these roles e.g. defensive forward. Schammer has been a good servant of the club, but I think his time may be up other than as a depth player.

 

[dominguez]

It's like Dockerland in here!

The problem Clay is that when the name calling starts threads can get derailed pretty quickly.

Has Schammer ever been a defensive mid? For mine he is offensive but with very little hurt factor.

If he can remake himself as a tagger that would be great.

Anyone calling for Schammer to come in as a tagger is kidding themselves, he cant help himself, his defensive mindset is terrible, like a bee to a honey pot so is Schammer to the ball, he cant help himself. Often leaves his opponent and is a ball watcher.

My logic is that we don't need Crowley as a tagger in the midfield and deBoer playing as a defensive forward who gets very little of the footy against Richmond and West Coast. If you want someone to "tag" Hurn then go with Suban, McPhee or JVB.

Des Headland has been nothing short of a disaster for our club, and whilst I doubt it will happen, I'd love to see him made an example of. His efforts on the weekend, from a seasoned footballer, were appalling.

Hayden forward, Suban to the HBF and Dessie to the WAFL is an option if Headland plays poorly this week.