Preview Changes Vs Carlton Round 2

[SloppyJoe]

The easiest way for a coach to lose the players is to play favourites or not doing everything they can to win a game - which includes carrying players who clearly need to be dropped to regain confidence. If the coaches aren't doing everything they can to win a game, why should the players?

I think dropping Sheed after one poor performance when prior to that he had a vary good preseason and a few strong performances at the back end of last season is not going to help him regain confidence - it will have the opposite effect.

It's ridiculous to suggest that the coach showing faith in our top pick from 2013 (in the face of one bad game no less) is going to lead to him "losing the players". We're talking about a bloke who often played 3 rucks to our detriment last year just to keep Cox happy and who has given that spud McGinnity a guernsey in each of our last 10 games. If he was going to lose the confidence of the players it would've happened by now. Who knows? Maybe it already has happened and that's why our blokes turn to water when some 19 year old kid on the opposing team decides to take the game on. But I doubt it.

 

[Bender_]

I'd like someone to come off the line at the bounce and sit Judd on his arse.

Fingers crossed MacGinnity does it and gets 6 weeks.

Win/win

 

[wotdoiput]

Well from what I've seen of Butcher, he is a superb mark, I would take him over Sheppard but that is highly debatable. Well I'd rather Lobbe and have a surplus of good ruckmen than have Masten and have surplus of average/poor midfielders. Same argument for drafting Mcevoy.

Odds are that Lobbe and McEvoy would of pissed off by now having to play 3rd fiddle. Butcher might be an ok mark but that is all he has going for him

 

[Jeeves]

Beast like ferocity!?! What game were you watching?

Just guessing but I think there might have been a touch of sarcasm in his comment, what do you think?

 

[dext]

If Jameison does an ok job on JK, where are you guys expecting to get your scoring from outside of Le Cras?

Also whilst their tall fwds arent that great, if they bring Casboult back, they might just have enough talls to kick a score, you guys will have to win it in the middle right?

What sort of question is this? I think the same logic applies to every team yeah.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

What sort of question is this? I think the same logic applies to every team yeah.

not really, every team has its strengths and weakness', and due to injury both your defense and attack half look average at best (bar JK).

other games will be won outside of midfield matchups...

But if you don't like others asking legit questions on your upcoming game, sweet, I'll just disappear.

 

[dajesmac]

Convenient that you asked who out of the next 6 picks would you have preferred considering Dangerfield was the 7th pick after. I would have preferred Myers, Henderson and McEvoy (all within the next 6 picks), but concede output difference to date is fairly negligible when compared to Masten. I would have much preferred Cyril, Lobbe, Harry Taylor, Rance and Callan Ward (output difference not negligible) who were also top 20 picks. Also Ebert who we drafted after is a better player.

After Sheppard, I would prefer Butcher, drafted directly after Sheppard (concede that is highly debatable since he can't kick) but would also have preferred Talia, Jetta and Melksham.

We needed and still needs mids (aswell as outside speed and footskills). Butcher over Shep wouldn't have helped that.

 

[truman]

We needed and still needs mids (aswell as outside speed and footskills). Butcher over Shep wouldn't have helped that.

True but sheppard hasn't helped that either

 

[truman]

Odds are that Lobbe and McEvoy would of pissed off by now having to play 3rd fiddle. Butcher might be an ok mark but that is all he has going for him

All that may be possible but I am just saying purely that as they are currently I would select them over Masten

 

[truman]

We needed and still needs mids (aswell as outside speed and footskills). Butcher over Shep wouldn't have helped that.

And tbh I don't think we have been horrendous drafters lately. I think we had two shocking drafts, 2009 and the year we got Wellingham, but apart from that we've done alright. JD, shuey, NN, scott selwood, ebert, mcgovern, gaff (even though Heppell would have been better) are all solid picks. I actually didn't even mind the year we downgraded picks, don't think yeo and sheed are that much worse than what lewis taylor and aish would have been

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

And tbh I don't think we have been horrendous drafters lately. I think we had two shocking drafts, 2009 and the year we got Wellingham, but apart from that we've done alright. JD, shuey, NN, scott selwood, ebert, mcgovern, gaff (even though Heppell would have been better) are all solid picks. I actually didn't even mind the year we downgraded picks, don't think yeo and sheed are that much worse than what lewis taylor and aish would have been

Draft Day is a tough gig, some clubs do it way better than others and we seem to have done it differently last year by recruiting the best available and not the best available WA talent...think we have turned the corner.

 

[paran]

Convenient that you asked who out of the next 6 picks would you have preferred considering Dangerfield was the 7th pick after. I would have preferred Myers, Henderson and McEvoy (all within the next 6 picks), but concede output difference to date is fairly negligible when compared to Masten. I would have much preferred Cyril, Lobbe, Harry Taylor, Rance and Callan Ward (output difference not negligible) who were also top 20 picks. Also Ebert who we drafted after is a better player.

After Sheppard, I would prefer Butcher, drafted directly after Sheppard (concede that is highly debatable since he can't kick) but would also have preferred Talia, Jetta and Melksham.

Dangerfield was a completely left field pick that stayed in school the following year - he wasn't even rated top 20 that year, but obviously convenient for you to use that as an example of how you don't understand recruiting. Cyril only wanted to play in Melbourne. Lobbe?? Would be behind Lycett now. We weren't in the game for KPD's - Glass, Hunter, EMac, Shoey, Spangher, Bones, Staker, Muston/Maister... loaded. Was Ebert a better player when he left here? You look at him now and his strength and fitness and levels better than when he was here - that's development.

As for the names you mentioned instead of Shepp, none of them are ahead of him bar Jetta and he's more a front runner on an excellent team not a a main mover. Shepp has talent. It's only this year we've got him to focus on bulking up - something that should have happened 4 years ago.

 

[dajesmac]

And tbh I don't think we have been horrendous drafters lately. I think we had two shocking drafts, 2009 and the year we got Wellingham, but apart from that we've done alright. JD, shuey, NN, scott selwood, ebert, mcgovern, gaff (even though Heppell would have been better) are all solid picks. I actually didn't even mind the year we downgraded picks, don't think yeo and sheed are that much worse than what lewis taylor and aish would have been

The players we have picked aren't so bad in isolation but we lack top end talent.

FWIW though the comparison is Sheed & Karpany vs Aish & Taylor. Yeo would have come to West Coast either way (and we would have spent less for him).

 

[truman]

The players we have picked aren't so bad in isolation but we lack top end talent.

FWIW though the comparison is Sheed & Karpany vs Aish & Taylor. Yeo would have come to West Coast either way (and we would have spent less for him).

Isn't that assuming that Brisbane would have traded Yeo to us. I remember at the time we had two picks in the late 20s and they would only accept the higher of the two picks thus leaving them with Taylor and us with Karpany?

 

[truman]

Dangerfield was a completely left field pick that stayed in school the following year - he wasn't even rated top 20 that year, but obviously convenient for you to use that as an example of how you don't understand recruiting. Cyril only wanted to play in Melbourne. Lobbe?? Would be behind Lycett now. We weren't in the game for KPD's - Glass, Hunter, EMac, Shoey, Spangher, Bones, Staker, Muston/Maister... loaded. Was Ebert a better player when he left here? You look at him now and his strength and fitness and levels better than when he was here - that's development.

As for the names you mentioned instead of Shepp, none of them are ahead of him bar Jetta and he's more a front runner on an excellent team not a a main mover. Shepp has talent. It's only this year we've got him to focus on bulking up - something that should have happened 4 years ago.

Well I think that's the art of being a good recruiter, picking up left field picks. It's recruiters job to identify obscure difficult talent, I mean anyone can be a recruiter if they just pick the highly rated kids. Really Lobbe behind Lycett, I think you need to take of your blue and gold tinted glasses. I don't really think Eberts strength and fitness is significantly better there, I mean those were his strengths here, fwi, I think Ebert was a good pick up, just used badly by us. Let me get this straight you think that Sheppard is better player than Daniel Talia? That is highly contentious and I would suggest laughable. I do however think that Butcher and Melksham are highly debatable

 

[Xsess]

And tbh I don't think we have been horrendous drafters lately.

Can you do my performance/salary review?

The last decent midfielder we recruited was Daniel Kerr

 

[truman]

Can you do my performance review?

The last decent midfielder we recruited was Daniel Kerr

Hahahahaha, well I will have to respectfully disagree. I rate Shuey and Gaff as better than decent, below superb. Not to wide a scale that. But recruiting is not all about midfielders, I mean we have recruited, Jack Darling, Lycett, Mcgovern (rookie) who were all outstanding picks and likely to be 200 game KPPs. Not bad for post top 20 picks. Obviously there's NN but that hardly counts at pick 2. Even though Newman and Mcinnes haven't played many games from what I'm reading about them seem like they could both make it

 

[dajesmac]

Isn't that assuming that Brisbane would have traded Yeo to us. I remember at the time we had two picks in the late 20s and they would only accept the higher of the two picks thus leaving them with Taylor and us with Karpany?

We had 11 and 31. If we had retained those picks Brisbane would've given in. Instead we acquired 28 to give to them, and in the process downgraded from Aish to Sheed.

 

[truman]

We had 11 and 31. If we had retained those picks Brisbane would've given in. Instead we acquired 28 to give to them, and in the process downgraded from Aish to Sheed.

Hmm I see, I find it very hard to comment on this because for all we know Brisbane may have said that we are going to let him walk into the pre season draft etc unless we get a pick better than 30. But from the outside looking in, doesn't look great.

 

[dajesmac]

Hmm I see, I find it very hard to comment on this because for all we know Brisbane may have said that we are going to let him walk into the pre season draft etc unless we get a pick better than 30. But from the outside looking in, doesn't look great.

That happens so rarely I don't think that would have been an issue.

 

[truman]

That happens so rarely I don't think that would have been an issue.

Maybe Yeo would have signed on? Was there any indication that he if he didn't get to the Eagles he was walking away from the club regardless?

 

[dajesmac]

Maybe Yeo would have signed on? Was there any indication that he if he didn't get to the Eagles he was walking away from the club regardless?

Not that I'm aware of. But to be honest I'm more annoyed at the difference between Sheed and Aish than Karpany and Taylor.

 

[matt_bas]

And back to the teams for Carlton, surely Bennell comes in, is Ellis Fit? And does anyone know if Schoey has overcome his concussion?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

And back to the teams for Carlton, surely Bennell comes in, is Ellis Fit? And does anyone know if Schoey has overcome his concussion?

Agree with Bennell and have big question marks over Simpson not doing that for Rd1.

 

[Xsess]

I rate Shuey and Gaff as better than decent, below superb.

I'll give you two just "better than decent" players to show for a decade of recruiting. What really shits me in hindsight is WCE declaring their rebuild over in 2008 when they wheeled out Masten and co along with a slick advertising campaign around the "new breed". Went on to **** up the 2009 draft period in the worst possible way including the crowning folly of topping up on a short/light half back flanker with a top draft pick who's put on 2-3kg of solid muscle in 7 years and is just getting regular games now in a decimated defence. Other than that Kennedy fell into our laps. Darling inexplicably fell into our laps. NicNat fell into our laps and picked himself. McGovern I have no answer for other than luck. If you have 5 darts to throw every year for a decade eventually one will hit the board.