Changes Vs Carlton

[Partridge]

You said 6 changes minimum...yet you can't even name 6.



No point changing for the sake of changing.

Alright then - Nathan Ablett, Tim Callan, Matthew Stokes, Josh Hunt. Add them to Kingsley, Kelly and Ling and that's seven. You've even got one to spare smartarse.

I totally agree, you don't make changes for the sake of it. But this isn't the first time this has happened. We got annihilated by Collingwood, lost badly at home to Richmond, West Coast, Hawthorn. Part of the problem as I see it is name players not performing. Now if say Kelly is carrying an injury, fine that explains his lack of form, but why is he in the side? I don't think Ling should be delisted or anything, but I fail to understand why Riccardi, Steve Johnson and Tom Harley come back through the seconds but Ling and Kelly don't. Many people on these forums have commented on the good form of Prismall, Batchelor and others in the seconds. Don't you think they should be rewarded with a senior game? Are we playing so well that all spots are sacrosanct?

 

[chapmanmagic35]

Alright then - Nathan Ablett, Tim Callan, Matthew Stokes, Josh Hunt. Add them to Kingsley, Kelly and Ling and that's seven. You've even got one to spare smartarse.

I totally agree, you don't make changes for the sake of it. But this isn't the first time this has happened. We got annihilated by Collingwood, lost badly at home to Richmond, West Coast, Hawthorn. Part of the problem as I see it is name players not performing. Now if say Kelly is carrying an injury, fine that explains his lack of form, but why is he in the side? I don't think Ling should be delisted or anything, but I fail to understand why Riccardi, Steve Johnson and Tom Harley come back through the seconds but Ling and Kelly don't. Many people on these forums have commented on the good form of Prismall, Batchelor and others in the seconds. Don't you think they should be rewarded with a senior game? Are we playing so well that all spots are sacrosanct?

And who will replace them?????



Despite the very good form of the VFL, I find it hard that we would have the sufficient depth to replace these players you have mentioned.

 

[chapmanmagic35]

The common thread before the Adelaide game was that the Cats had been training hard etc. I wonder if thats one of the reasons why today we looked so inept.Not take anything away from the Crows but we were as bad as Freo was against us. We looked flaccid and lacked influece. Thats twice this year we have looked totally beyond being a mature flag threatening side. Why did we fiddle so much in the first quarter , why do we continue to play possession football with players like Wojo, why do we continue to struggle to clear the ball, I think some coaching ideas need to change as much as anything.

Playing Nathan Ablett against Rutten pure butchery. I know the common thought is too get game time into him but really for his future benifit he must spend at least as much time in the gym. He looked totally passive today , but to be fair he wasn't Pat Malone. I just feel that he is struggling with having an influence and needs a lot more mass and an attitude adjustment is needed. Surely McCarthy could have had a game at least he would draw the Rutten type to him rather than NA

I cant believe we are playing people that are not totally fit. Why the hell is Kelly playing. If we are putting games into Nathan , we can take the same attitude towards Prismall or whoever.

We must determine what we are going to do with Bathelor. At years end , do we keep him, do we keep Slade and him? Bring him in now, at least Carlton will be a little easier for him than the Crows.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on Wojcinski...

By some people, I've copped a hammering because I believe his skills and decision making are poor, and he is far from a smart footballer.

 

[Turbocat]

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on Wojcinski...

By some people, I've copped a hammering because I believe his skills and decision making are poor, and he is far from a smart footballer.

All players have their strengths and non-strengths, Wojo gives us run and speed , something we lack.His decision making may be slightly of since the reco , I'm not sure but I dont think he has ever been a super kick. His main weapon has always been his run and our lack of this asset in most of our better players means we tend live with his average dispossal.If we had more players with his velocity perhaps we would be selective. Im hoping Varcoe a future player to give us another option.
The face of footy is changing , the skill level required of players is being raised to the point that only the very elite in dissposal will be of use. There will come a time if you can't hit a target then you will become over looked no matter your other assets. To improve our list must be pressured by up coming players potentially better players, just like our talls will with TomH will be next year

 

[chapmanmagic35]

All players have their strengths and non-strengths, Wojo gives us run and speed , something we lack.His decision making may be slightly of since the reco , I'm not sure but I dont think he has ever been a super kick. His main weapon has always been his run and our lack of this asset in most of our better players means we tend live with his average dispossal.If we had more players with his velocity perhaps we would be selective. Im hoping Varcoe a future player to give us another option.
The face of footy is changing , the skill level required of players is being raised to the point that only the very elite in dissposal will be of use. There will come a time if you can't hit a target then you will become over looked no matter your other assets. To improve our list must be pressured by up coming players potentially better players, just like our talls will with TomH will be next year

Very interesting and thoughtful post, as are all yours.

Must say that I agree with many points in there.

 

[thejester]

Alright then - Nathan Ablett, Tim Callan, Matthew Stokes, Josh Hunt. Add them to Kingsley, Kelly and Ling and that's seven. You've even got one to spare smartarse.

I didn't watch the game but the votes thread suggests Callan and Stokes did alright - why drop them?

 

[OnlyOneShaneCrawford]

Boys, this isn't a troll, but what's going on with Riccardi?

As a Hawthorn supporter, Riccardi has always been a favourite of mine, it's disappointing to see him in the 2s, or on the sidelines...

 

[thehoff]

Boys, this isn't a troll, but what's going on with Riccardi?

As a Hawthorn supporter, Riccardi has always been a favourite of mine, it's disappointing to see him in the 2s, or on the sidelines...

He is just coming back from injury.

 

[thehoff]

Alright then - Nathan Ablett, Tim Callan, Matthew Stokes, Josh Hunt. Add them to Kingsley, Kelly and Ling and that's seven. You've even got one to spare smartarse.

Please tell me you are kidding or did not see any part of the game. He was very good today ( a little unaccountable), yet good.

Callan and Hunt (playing on Roo) were decent.

Agree with Kelly, Ling, Kent.

If you were to drop those 7. Who would you bring in?

 

[Copernicus]

Well obviously we need some changes - of course the problem remains, who do we bring in? I guess it depends on the attitude of the selectors. Are we still playing for finals, or are we going to try the subtle tank? It's going to be a tough few weeks.

Kent needs to go, he's been useless of late. I am not sure who would replace him, though, as we have plenty of height as it is, and bringing in McCarthy will only make that worse.

 

[TGTOA]

As tempting as it is to look at wholesale changes, as long as we're in contention to make the finals, I can't see that there'll be any major reshuffles. A couple of players positions should be under question though.

Kelly - we've been reluctant to drop him, but now that he appears to be playing injured, he might finally miss. Replace him with Prismall or Riccardi

Kingsley - he was dropped, did nothing to earn his spot back, and has done nothing since being back to justify retaining him. Replace with Mackie.

N Ablett - I still have faith in him, but right now we need someone who can have a more immediate impact. Possibly replace with McCarthy (who must be wondering what he has to do to get a game).

Ling - has had a poor year, but has probably earnt the chance to turn it around. If he gets dropped this year, I can't see it being until after we're out of contention for the finals.

 

[JUBJUB]

Boys, this isn't a troll, but what's going on with Riccardi?

As a Hawthorn supporter, Riccardi has always been a favourite of mine, it's disappointing to see him in the 2s, or on the sidelines...

He hasn't played since Rd 8 due to a calf [i think] injury.He played a bit in the magoos yesterday.

 

[Catnip]

As tempting as it is to look at wholesale changes, as long as we're in contention to make the finals, I can't see that there'll be any major reshuffles. A couple of players positions should be under question though.

Kelly - we've been reluctant to drop him, but now that he appears to be playing injured, he might finally miss. Replace him with Prismall or Riccardi

Kingsley - he was dropped, did nothing to earn his spot back, and has done nothing since being back to justify retaining him. Replace with Mackie.

N Ablett - I still have faith in him, but right now we need someone who can have a more immediate impact. Possibly replace with McCarthy (who must be wondering what he has to do to get a game).

Ling - has had a poor year, but has probably earnt the chance to turn it around. If he gets dropped this year, I can't see it being until after we're out of contention for the finals.

A good sensible post. Just remember my fellow Catters that we shall not eat our own and need to stick together..especially when we get fur balls HACK ACK ACK...ah, that's better. Now, on to Carlton...

 

[chapmanmagic35]

Please tell me you are kidding or did not see any part of the game. He was very good today ( a little unaccountable), yet good.

Callan and Hunt (playing on Roo) were decent.

Agree with Kelly, Ling, Kent.

If you were to drop those 7. Who would you bring in?

That was also my question to him......how can you go on the massive chopping block if you haven't gone 6-7 to come in?

 

[Partridge]

That was also my question to him......how can you go on the massive chopping block if you haven't gone 6-7 to come in?

Ok fine, I'll amend it to say 4:

Out: Kingsley, Kelly, Ling, Nathan Ablett
In: Prismall, Mackie, McCarthy, Koula

The point I am trying to make is too many players are retaining their spots when the team is getting murdered. If you lose by 92 points surely some players aren't performing - otherwise how did we lose so badly? I don't care if it costs us games, if we lose by 92 points then certain players should be dropped and guys playing well in the seconds should be rewarded.

It demonstrates to the senior team that a poor performance, regardless of your reputation (Kelly, Ling) may result in you getting demoted. It also shows guys busting their guts in the seconds that a chance will come.

I do not understand what is unacceptable about this philosophy.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

morale is already low at the club - mass choppings probably aren't going to help in that regard. Nathan didn't look very committed this week, but realistically our season is forfeit anyway so just play him. Even if we make the finals this year, it won't be top 4 and we wouldn't make it past the elimination round. I agree that Prismall should be brought in for Kelly.

 

[cats2rise]

Mate, I am with you on this one. 8 might be going too far, but yeah changes need to be made.

 

[TGTOA]

I don't care if it costs us games, if we lose by 92 points then certain players should be dropped and guys playing well in the seconds should be rewarded.

It demonstrates to the senior team that a poor performance, regardless of your reputation (Kelly, Ling) may result in you getting demoted. It also shows guys busting their guts in the seconds that a chance will come.

I do not understand what is unacceptable about this philosophy.

The problem with this at the moment is that it is likely to cost us in terms of performance. While we're still in the hunt for a finals berth, our focus will be on what changes will improve the team for next weeks game, rather than sending a message to certain players, which might have a long-term payoff. Give the players that have got us to where we are the chance to get us up there again. If they fail, and the season becomes a write-off, then you can start worrying about sending messages with your selections.

 

[jess_555]

Out: Kingsley, Kelly, Ling, Nathan Ablett
In: Prismall, Mackie, McCarthy, Koula

If it was me choosing who was in and out this week I'd get rid of Kingsley for sure and probably Kelly. I'm undecided about Nath coz he hasn't done much but there isn't really anyone else to bring in. I don't think we can afford to have Nath and Kent playing in the same team... one has to go for this week. As for Lingy I think he should stay in the team. Even though he isn't playing anywhere near his best he is still better than what we have in the reserves... i think. He is still a valuable member of the snr team.

Hopefully Prissa will be ready for a run in the snr's this week. I would like to see McCarthy also in the snr's. It's a good chance for him especially when we are playing against Carlton.

 

[Gogeelong]

N Ablett

The commentators keep saying that they do not pass to N/A even though he leads quite well.
Why is this so???????????
If they do not want to pass the ball to him I am concerned that he will not try as hard
If he has to plat under these conditions with a bunch of lossers I would rather he gains his confidence in the seconds

 

[Cattas2006]

Re: N Ablett

The commentators keep saying that they do not pass to N/A even though he leads quite well.
Why is this so???????????
If they do not want to pass the ball to him I am concerned that he will not try as hard
If he has to plat under these conditions with a bunch of lossers I would rather he gains his confidence in the seconds

yes i did hear that, and comment on that every time he plays.. the games i watched him play at the dome, and at skilled, he was always making good leads, but people like kelly, and bartel just ignore him, i dunno if its got something to do with them not liking him? or not trusting him? or, no faith? The only person that seems to pass to him is his brother, gary. i dunno.. but i would keep him in, he has to get better some how and he just needs to work and work.. seems to play better when he is pushed up the ground to CHF.