Chapman gone

[FastLane]

nothing in it- but to be expected from mrp- Cats should appeal.

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

Bullshit, shouldn't have got anything.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

The MRP have stated that in fact it is not fine to leave the ground and hit someone in the head.

That principle doesn't seem consistent with the incident where Zac Dawson jumped up and hit Selwood in the head...?

 

[MinerBoy]

At what point did the pressure gauge pop up on screen for you? Or was there a speedo somewhere? How exactly did you determine the impact force of each incident?

I watched. It's a great way to observe football.

Others read stats and browse big footy to form opinions. I suspect perhaps you are one of those?

 

[Kummerspeck]

I watched. It's a great way to observe football.

What a nothing answer. What are the indicators that make it obvious, exactly?

 

[Off The Couch]

That principle doesn't seem consistent with the incident where Zac Dawson jumped up and hit Selwood in the head...?

And there I was thinking that zac was trying to block the ball from getting past him

Lucky man young zac - kicks selwood in the head and knocks buddy's tooth out and no case to answer
Clumsy goofball or quick thinker or protected species

 

[Kenno27]

Gerard Whateley showing what a biased dweeb he is.

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

Gerard Whateley showing what a biased dweeb he is.

Why?
I may have missed a bit, but Gerard seems to have said the MRP will be overhauled after the GF, no one has confidence in it but Chappy's bump was however reckless and no point challenging it. Where is the bias?

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

And there I was thinking that zac was trying to block the ball from getting past him

Lucky man young zac - kicks selwood in the head and knocks buddy's tooth out and no case to answer
Clumsy goofball or quick thinker or protected species

Maybe just conveniently clumsy? Has a knack of landing or colliding with people awkwardly, but kudos to him, it has helped him carve out a career with Ross.

 

[seysearles]

nothing in it- but to be expected from mrp- Cats should appeal.

Yep, definitely appeal.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Appealing would be silly.

What are you going to argue down? There is no way a late high hit where Chapman left the ground will be negligent, impact is already low and high contact is undeniable.

 

[m0zza]

Appealing would be silly.

What are you going to argue down? There is no way a late high hit where Chapman left the ground will be negligent, impact is already low and high contact is undeniable.

And in the unlikely event that you successfully argue down to negligent, he still has 125 points and misses the preliminary final.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Bullshit, shouldn't have got anything.

That'll teach him for not wearing a Sydney jumper.

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

I understand these silly rules about trying to protect the head, because we have no idea about knocks-head injuries.

I still have no idea why we can't trial something like those mouth guards that record data about the force of the knocks to the head.

Could be useful in helping determine if the force was enough to warrant a suspension.

 

[Crankyhawk]

What response did you expect from dropping in the fact that you've played a lot of ammos in a response about the workings in the AFL? Every player who cops a bump to the head in the AFL gets inspected. On the field, on the sidelines, or in the change rooms after. Do you seriously think a medical staff would leave themselves open to action with the defence of "Well, he got hit in the head but he said it was okay so we didn't really bother after that"?

Yes, you get looked at by the medical staff, but not necessarily to the extent of having a scan done. What the question is that the MRP stated the reason they graded Buddy's bump medium impact was because Malceski needed scans. Given that he played out the game (unless you believe the ankle injury was caused by the hit to the head) it has been suggested that the only reason for a scan to be done was to upgrade the impact to medium and ensure that Buddy would miss the final against Sydney. Port could have chosen to throw Chappy under the bus by ordering a scan and upgraded the contact to medium by doing so.

 

[Crankyhawk]

2 weeks for a light bump, where IMHO he tried to pull up.

I get the logic of the MRP, yeah he had choices, but when did it become illegal to bump, so if you bump and get close to a little high you are gone if you could of in theory tackled?

Its finals footy, pay a free maybe but its a joke, Buddys was a joke too.

How does one pull up by jumping?

 

[The King!]

How does one pull up by jumping?

Come here stand still and ill jump into you but hold back force then the next one ill just knock the stuffing out of you and show you what i mean

 

[Crankyhawk]

At what point did the pressure gauge pop up on screen for you? Or was there a speedo somewhere? How exactly did you determine the impact force of each incident?

Casboult went down and stayed down for a while. Unlike Gray who got up straight away. I can't remember but I think Malceski went down for a bit as well (I was too busy yelling at Buddy for doing something so dumb). I thought that Buddy deserved the 1 week for what he did, which (with consistency) would have applied to both chapman and Richards. I think you are lucky that Carlton are more interested in Mad Monday than organising a scan for casboult.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Come here stand still and ill jump into you but hold back force then the next one ill just knock the stuffing out of you and show you what i mean

I can't quite see it, moving at speed, to slow down you jump up? would've thought slowing down would be to not jump, extend out arms and allow arms to collapse (so as not to give away free for pushing after disposal)

 

[Lester Burnham]

Appealing would be silly.

What are you going to argue down? There is no way a late high hit where Chapman left the ground will be negligent, impact is already low and high contact is undeniable.

You could argue that the impact was of insufficient force to sustain the charge of rough conduct. The impact was softer than similar incidents where the impact was assessed as low.

 

[mollyfud]

That principle doesn't seem consistent with the incident where Zac Dawson jumped up and hit Selwood in the head...?

So, the HUGE difference is this. Chappy tried to bump, left the ground and made contact to the head. Zac left the ground to try and spoil the handball and made contact to Selwood after that! If Zac had left the ground to bump, he would have went! He didn't and anyone saying he did thinks he is more uncoordinated then he really is because he took the longest route to get to Selwood if he was trying to bump.

Its okay to throw these sort of thing up, but come on people, be serious! To try to suggest they are the same is just silly, one-eyed, clutching at straws type stuff!

 

[Kummerspeck]

Port could have chosen to throw Chappy under the bus by ordering a scan and upgraded the contact to medium by doing so.

Mark Fraser said the tribunal had decided on medium impact before they reviewed the medical report.

I think you are lucky that Carlton are more interested in Mad Monday than organising a scan for casboult.

Here's a thought: Buddy is bigger than Malceski. Casboult is bigger than Richards. Maybe the impact of a player heavier and taller on a smaller player was greater than a smaller player's impact on a taller and heavier player.

More to the point, I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to think believe that the Swans would send Malceski for scans as some kind of scurrilous tactic when getting scans can be seen by the AFL and if they were clear, would actively disprove any falsities in a medical report. I mean, did you ever actually consider that?

 

[MinerBoy]

Mark Fraser said the tribunal had decided on medium impact before they reviewed the medical report.

What pressure gauge did they use?

 

[Kummerspeck]

What pressure gauge did they use?

No idea, he said the impact was based on the fact that Malceski immediately clutched at his face and had to be taken off.

Though you never actually mentioned how it was obvious through observation that the impact of a 103kg, 196cm player on an opponent 17kg lighter and 8cm shorter was less than the impact of Richards on Casboult, who was taller and heavier than Richards. I'm still all ears.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

No idea, he said the impact was based on the fact that Malceski immediately clutched at his face and had to be taken off.

Though you never actually mentioned how it was obvious through observation that the impact of a 103kg, 196cm player on an opponent 17kg lighter and 8cm shorter was less than the impact of Richards on Casboult, who was taller and heavier than Richards. I'm still all ears.

Force = Mass x Acceleration.

I've finally seen the Richards one, and it comes down to Basic Physics. I think you are debating different things though. Richards certainly hit with a greater impact than either Franklin or Chapman, but due to the angle of the impact there was proportionally less force applied to the head impact, than to the body.

Malceski was all but stationary, Franklin slowed down signficantly before the bump - you can see his footwork as he tries to ensure he goes low (which also contributed to the lateness of the hit). As Malceski was off-balance, when the impact happened to his right shoulder, his head snapped forcefully into Franklin. What is frustrating for Hawk fans is he grabbed the left side of his forehead, nowhere near the impact point, but roughly where Franklin's right arm went accross his face after the bump. Negligent-High was correct, with low-medium arguable. Personally I thought it was low impact, but certainly not "wrong" to go with Medium.

Gray was also stationary, with Chapman jumping up and into the player. You can see from the resultant 'bounce' that Chapman's overall force was less, but due to the angle, the proportional impact to the head was the highest of the three. The act of raising the impact height made it reckless, and the impact was low. Good decision.

Casboult wasn't in a sprint, but was moving forward at a slowish run. Richards came through in the other direction close to full pelt, and hit with far greater impact. I felt from watching the video however that most of the impact was to the body, with both Franklin and Chapman's involving more neck snap due to impact from the side. The intention was negligent (it could have been high contact, but as Richards went low was not expected - ball was "within 5m" and Casboult should have reasonably expected a shepherd). The contact was high, and it was an argument between low-medium on impact. Personally I thought it was Medium impact, but certainly not "wrong" to go with Low.

Richards should be Medium, or Franklin should have been Low - either way everyone's happy. The margin's are so close though, that a line must be drawn somewhere. Far bigger issues at the lower end where many incidents are never even reviewed, or judged "below the force required".