News Chris Davies departs for Carlton

[GremioPower]

I disagree. The coach needs to be able to dictate what he needs from every part of a football department to make his plan work. That's telling a fitness team what he needs players to be able to do, assistant coaches how to train and execute their parts of the game plan, players their role in the team, list managers the type of players he needs. Yes, he can't do that all by himself, which is what the footy ops manager is for - to help make it happen for him.

You are describing the GM. The HC is second-in-command and responds to him. The GM does all these things, but is not in charge of the day-to-day practices with the squad. That's the job of the HC.

The GM holds the heads accountable. He does not deal directly with assistants and players. That is the job of the heads; specially, the HC.

 

[Mr5014]

You are describing the GM. The HC is second-in-command and responds to him. The GM does all these things, but is not in charge of the day-to-day practices with the squad. That's the job of the HC.

The GM holds the heads accountable. He does not deal directly with assistants and players. That is the job of the heads; specially, the HC.

To emphasize the power a coach has in a club, Clarko got a CEO and a chairman kicked out. You might be right in that's how a club should be run, but it's not. It's for that reason I don't reckon a footy ops manager could sack a coach, but I bet a coach could get a footy ops manager kicked out - that's the pecking order

 

[GremioPower]

To emphasize the power a coach has in a club, Clarko got a CEO and a chairman kicked out. You might be right in that's how a club should be run, but it's not. It's for that reason I don't reckon a footy ops manager could sack a coach, but I bet a coach could get a footy ops manager kicked out - that's the pecking order

Players can sack a coach, too. Those are examples of power struggles. Someone brought an example of a powerful GM. Each club will be different from one another, depending on its organization and the adjustment of the people within.

Still, my point is that those powerful HC, they are more than HC. They play more than one role; regardless whether this is officially recognized or not. Someone can be GM-in-name-only; president-in-name-only; HC-in-name-only; capitain-in-name-only; etc.

One needs to see beyond the titles. It is who-does-what that matters the most. I have a model that I am using as measure, indeed. But that's an acceptable technique. Maybe my model is wrong, but I am trying to make it clear how my model is. Simplifying, considering football only:

President (Club Outside)
\/
CEO (Club Inside)
\/
GM (Football)
\/
HC (Squad)
​

In our particular case, below the HC, I would split into Power and Magpies. The Magpies Coach would be on the same level as the Power Assistent Coach.

Does this make sense?

 

[1954]

To emphasize the power a coach has in a club, Clarko got a CEO and a chairman kicked out. You might be right in that's how a club should be run, but it's not. It's for that reason I don't reckon a footy ops manager could sack a coach, but I bet a coach could get a footy ops manager kicked out - that's the pecking order

Kern must have had something to do with Sean Hart being removed ( no longer seen ) in the coaching box not long after their tap on the shoulder, raised fist altercation, that has been shown numerous times on this site.

I'm not sure of the exact timing of Hart being moved backwards and sideways to what was obviously a much lesser role than the one he had originally been hired for, but from memory it was done at the end of the same season, but it is still arguably the last really tough decision KT, Koch and the board made, and you didn't have to be a Philadelphia lawyer to work out Hart and the club would part ways as soon as his contract expired.

Interestingly, I believe it was Hart who recommended Voss to the club, who has now received a contract extension that numerous big footy Port supporters aren't happy about, so if big footy is as I suspect a microcosm of Port supporter's opinions, then there will obviously be a lot more fall out to come if they got that wrong.

 

[GremioPower]

Certainly agreed REH and ponder one of the most significant weaknesses in Port's management structure. CD self describes as "I'm an adminstrator" in his most recent interview now on the Port site. His administration abilities are not necessarily under any scrutiny but as he is the General Manager Football, those skills maybe challenged.

There has been discussion long before this season's debacle Port urgently needed a "Head of Football" with significant experience in that field and the comments have obviously gathered speed in recent days.

While many barbs have been directed (rightly or wrongly) at Koch and therefore the Board, my view is the failure to appoint an experienced 'Head of Football' may be the most damning criticisim of the current PAFC management structure.

I disagree. The coach needs to be able to dictate what he needs from every part of a football department to make his plan work. That's telling a fitness team what he needs players to be able to do, assistant coaches how to train and execute their parts of the game plan, players their role in the team, list managers the type of players he needs. Yes, he can't do that all by himself, which is what the footy ops manager is for - to help make it happen for him.

I am really glad to see that I am NOT talking nonsense. Everything I was trying to say has already been pointed before. Geelong saw the issue 12 years ago:

Ok lets compare this to Geelong's review...

The key is transparency!!

Here is what Geelong said they would do and also their findings. It was a 5 or 6 week process.

Remember Bomber Thompson was contracted until 2007 and publically showed he didn't like the review. But it made some big changes which were embraced by him and all the club and you see the results of this over the last 2 seasons.

Cook's role was also questioned if he could be impartial, no different to what some of you are asking about Choco and Rhode.

Cats' footy review underway

12:00 AM Wed 16 August, 2006

The Geelong Football Club directors met recently to discuss several areas of the club’s business plan. In relation to the football department, the 2006 season at this stage has fallen below the expectations and objectives of everyone associated with the Club.

As Geelong Football Club President Frank Costa has previously flagged, a review of the reasons behind our performance in 2006 as well as proposed changes for 2007 would be instituted.

This review has been initiated by the Board and is being coordinated by Geelong Football Club chief executive Brian Cook and will incorporate analysis of every aspect of the football department, including and in no particular order:


Administration
All coaching areas
Fitness, medical and sport science
List management
Player leadership
Recruiting
Welfare and development

The process will see consultation with individuals and groups within these areas. The review and recommendations will be forwarded to the Board by the end of September.

Until the review has been completed and considered by the Board it is not appropriate to give updates or provide interim findings.

http://www.gfc.com.au/GeelongNews/NewsArticle/tabid/3933/Default.aspx?newsId=30662


http://www.gfc.com.au/GeelongNews/NewsArticle/tabid/3933/Default.aspx?newsId=33438

Review findings in the mail

12:00 AM Tue 03 October, 2006

As all Geelong Football Club members and supporters would know, everyone associated with the Club was disappointed with the 2006 season. We did not meet our expectations on the field and in a season that we entered with such high hopes, we have been seeking answers as to why this occurred.

The Club’s Chief Executive, Brian Cook was asked to head a review of our entire football operations and make recommendations that will enable the Club to move forward and have the success that we all crave.

The review took over five weeks and was concluded on Sunday 24 September when the Club’s Board met and determined the path we need to take. It would be fair to say that the review that Brian undertook was the most comprehensive process that any AFL Club has completed.

This is not just our view. David Parkin believes that this review will be seen as a blueprint for Clubs in the future. Some people have raised the fact that it would be difficult for Brian to complete this review in an impartial manner given that he has close relationships with the many people working in and associated with our Club.

Brian’s background in the game has seen him work as a CEO with both West Coast and Geelong for the past 17 seasons, and there is nobody more equipped or qualified to lead this process than him. He should be commended for the manner in which this review has been completed and the recommendations that have come from it.

The review incorporated interviews with around 50 people. This included all coaches, the Club’s player leadership group, players at various stages of their careers with the Club – i.e. first year, third year etc, football and medical staff and some people from outside the Club such as David Parkin, Andrew Bews and player managers.

We have been transparent in this process, in some ways to our detriment and the discomfort of people directly involved in the process. We felt it was important that our supporters knew how we were going about this review.

There was one fundamental question that we asked in this process – what do we need to do to make our football operations better to allow the Club to have greater success? To do this we looked back at how the Club went about all elements of its football operations. We have not looked to provide lip-service or window dressing.

Many people saw this review as being only about whether or not our senior coach Mark Thompson remained in that position. This is an over simplistic view of the reason we undertook this review. We looked at all areas of our football department in determining what we needed to do.

We want to make sure that you, our members and stakeholders, are aware of what will be happening at the Club.

Coaching
Mark Thompson will continue in his role as senior coach. This is the belief shared by those people that we spoke with. The senior players spoke of a man for whom they had deep respect. Others spoke highly of his tactical acumen and others of his ability to teach and develop players. This reinforced the view that we have of him.

What we did find though was that Mark had become too involved in areas that were not about coaching, e.g. recruiting, information technology, welfare and development, fitness, medical, rehabilitation and administration.

The structure of our football department and indeed those at most league Clubs, has continued to grow, and in many ways we did not foresee the impact that this has had on the coach’s role.

Much of Mark’s time was spent in dealing with non-coaching issues rather than focusing on managing and coaching the players. The Club wants and needs Mark to primarily coach and manage the player group, not be encumbered with much of the day-to-day administration roles.

We will restructure the way our football department is set up to ensure that this occurs. The Club will appoint a new General Manager of Football Operations who will have broader responsibility than previously was the case.

The General Manager of Football Operations will be responsible for taking on many of the day-to-day management roles.

The person will supervise all areas of the football department including:
• total player list management
• the continued development of the player leadership group
• all budgeting in the football department
• final sign-off on all football appointments and contracts
• integrating all elements of the football department

The General Manager of Football Operations will be a more substantial role than that of most other AFL Clubs, and more in line with the structure of the Sydney Swans.

Until such time as a person is appointed to this position, Brian Cook and Steve Hocking will serve as interim leaders of the department. Brian will also focus more of his energy with the football department in the future.

This role of General Manager of Football Operations will be filled by a yet to be appointed person that has a strong background in both AFL football and management.

The Club will also make changes to its coaching staff, with a new assistant coach to be sought. Andy Lovell, who is one of the most respected people at our Club, will not have his contract renewed. This has been painful for everyone associated with the Club. Andy is the type of person that any Club would want, but we looked at the strengths and weaknesses of the coaching group and believe that we had to make a change.

Leadership
Unfortunately Steven King has been plagued by injury ever since he was made captain four years ago. Whilst Steven sees the captaincy as a great honour, the time has come for him to concentrate on his role as one of the premier ruckmen in the AFL. Steven communicated this to the Club and we agree with his view on the captaincy.

Tom Harley will be the Club Captain for 2007. Tom has earned enormous respect throughout the Club and indeed in the wider football community. He is a player that has worked as hard as anyone to have a successful career. Everyone knows that we are a much better team when Tom is on the field and he again showed this in 2006.

We will continue to work with our players to generate greater leadership from our players.

We understand that the player leadership group was a new initiative and would take time to have the impact that we need it to have.

We will encourage the player leadership group greater responsibility in assisting the planning the likes of pre-season, match committee, core Club KPI’s and values, and delistings and trade activity.

Other Clubs have gone down this path and we understand that these programs take time to reach the desired outcomes.

Fitness/ training
There has been a lot of comment as to our physical preparation ahead of the 2006 season.

When it became clear to us that our players were not physically ready for the 2006 season, the Club sought an independent expert to assess our players’ fitness and importantly what we needed to do about it.

That review found that our players’ pre-season running workload was down significantly from the same period in 2005.

A conservative plan was in place in the early part of 2006 in an attempt to get our players through the year. We had 22 players on injury awareness programs during the pre-season.

There was a clear agreement among all of those that were involved in the past season that we were not fit enough, strong enough and did not train long enough or with the intensity required to succeed at the highest level.

This was altered mid-season, and even though we were playing catch-up, the team’s performances and results improved markedly over the second half of the year. An unfortunate element of these required changes was the dramatic increase in workload meant that on occasions some of our players felt they had not fully recovered from previous games and training and they were lethargic.

We are adding greater support in our fitness this summer, in particular the regime will be harder and more scientific and directly relevant to the changes in the game due to the new rules that were introduced in 2006.

The Club will be enhancing its rehabilitation programs and is seeking to form alliances with organizations to develop greater depth in the area of sports science infrastructure and testing.

It would be simplistic to say that we will work harder in the pre-season. The reality is that our fitness regime will be developed in an integrated and scientific way.

These are the major outcomes of this review.

Some people may feel we have not gone far enough. Others may feel that we have been too drastic with the changes. Some may take a wait and see approach.

We understand each point of view. We know that if you put 10 passionate Geelong members in a room each may have a different point of view. This is a great part of being a true supporter.

But when you are considering what we have determined, just remember this - every decision we have taken has been done to provide the Club with the best chance to have success. We are all passionate supporters of the Club and we want success as much as any Geelong supporter. We would never make a decision that was not in the best interests of the Club.

The Board of Directors and Administration are also very committed to improving their performance in line with our football team. We are all part of a committed group to improve from this point.

You should also be aware that a special meeting has been called for Wednesday, 11 October 2006 at 6pm in the Fred Flanagan Room at Skilled Stadium. The purpose of this meeting is to allow members to ask questions about the 2006 season and what plans we have for 2007 to address issues that have been identified.

We believe that this comprehensive review will see the changes that we need to make. We encourage all members to attend this meeting. It is a wonderful opportunity for you to ask us questions and to have a dialogue with the Club.

Thank you for your on-going support.

Yours sincerely,


Frank Costa (President)
Gareth Andrews (Vice President)
Helene Bender
Nicholas Carr
Alistair Hamblin
Greg Hywood
Doug Wade

I don't know about you, but the Geelong review is a blueprint that I am happy Port are following.

I wouldn't be surprised if we are facing precisely the same issues Geelong has found in 2006. I think the time is ripe for such a "soul searching." I've even written about this here:
http://farwestfooty.blogspot.com/2018/08/operation-what-happened-power-port-58.html

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Very good in the presser today.

If his actions match his words he is definitely part of the solution not the problem.

It's time for the off field version on the Summer of George!

Perhaps time for a thread title change?

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[tribey]

Essentially all he does is manage contracts. Who knows who really runs football operations at Port.

His role is actually incredibly diverse. Know of a case where he personally cancelled some player-billeting contracts, etc.

 

[chickentendies]

Very good in the presser today.

If his actions match his words he is definitely part of the solution not the problem.

It's time for the off field version on the Summer of George!

Perhaps time for a thread title change?

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

We've had words for the past 3 or 4 years. Once I see solid sensible action to our backend I'll begin to regain a bit of faith.

 

[DaTBird187]

Why is this even a thread?

 

[GremioPower]

Enviable Tradition
ROBBBO

Why is this even a thread?

You've got to read it to understand. Begin with the tag. It is not "Roast" for a reason...

 

[ROBBBO]

this thread is bullshit

 

[tribey]

this thread is bullshit

Nothing is off limits imo.

The Rockliff deal is currently looking horrific and we're playing a game of contract chicken with our most in-form midfielder.

 

[GremioPower]

Page 5 is very similar to Page 1. People should read the thread, it would help. We keep answering the same questions!

Nothing should be off-limits, but I don't think your examples would be Davies' worst mistakes. I actually don't think they were mistakes at all...

 

[tribey]

Nothing should be off-limits, but I don't think your examples would be Davies' worst mistakes. I actually don't think they were mistakes at all...

Well, the jury's going to be out for awhile yet. But in roundball parlance, Rockvies is 0-2 down after 22.5 minutes.

 

[badbeats]

Does CD follow KH in regards to list management? i.e. the ruck situation

Or the other way around?

 

[GremioPower]

Well, the jury's going to be out for awhile yet. But in roundball parlance, Rockvies is 0-2 down after 22.5 minutes.

The key is that it was the right move when it was done. Rockliff can become a complete bust, but it wouldn't mean that Davies was wrong.

 

[GremioPower]

If you read your Yearbook you will see... Look from page 96 onward

https://issuu.com/bowden-group/docs/226728_portfc_ebook

In our 2017 yearbook, the Senior Coach is listed ABOVE the Head-of-Football. If this order is meaningful as it seems to be, our organization is wrong, and Hinkley is exercising TWO functions simultaneously.

This isn't working, and won't work. We need to acknowledge and change that ASAP.

 

[raptalia]

Does CD follow KH in regards to list management? i.e. the ruck situation

Or the other way around?

Given the amount of money we pay Hinkley and the onus we put on results I think Ken would have the major say in who we recruit to our list. I do not think we would have gone into 2018 with only one AFL ready ruckman if Hinkley didn't think he could get away with it. After the end of season review and the exit interviews I think Davies would probably get a shopping list off Ken and it would then be up to him, Parker and Cripps to do the deals. I do not think any AFL Coach would hang around if he was given a list over which he had no control.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

GremioPower here is something to ponder.

The local A League club Adelaide United (AU) has just appointed their ex coach as Director of Football ie the equivalent of Port's General Manager of Football Operations role.

Aurelio Vidmar was coach of AU between 2007-10. He started off as an 18 year old with Adelaide City in the old National Soccer League back in 1985 and played 6 years there before playing for a handful of clubs in Europe including Feynord and came back and played for Adelaide City 1999-2003. They folded, well not folded gone forever, but left the NSL as could not afford to maintain a team in the league, and returned to the state league. Adelaide United was formed and they played the 2003-04 season in the old NSL, Vidmar was captain, then there was no national league in 2004-05 as the game restructured in Oz and in 2005-06 he was appointed assistant coach for Adelaide United in the first year of A League as a 38-39 year old, after deciding at the last minute to retire just before the season kicked off, and next year took over as coach. He played 44 times for Australia.

His brother Tony was a better player, was 3 year younger, started off playing for Adelaide City when he was 19, spent a decade from 1995 in Europe playing for a handful of clubs came back to Oz at the start of the new A League, played a few years for Central Coast Mariners in Gosford which is about 80kms from Sydney and almost a very outer suburb of Sydney as people do live there and catch the train or drive to Sydney and he played 76 times for Australia including world cup in Germany in 2006.

I'm giving you the background to show that an old player, an international player and old coach of AU has been appointed their director of football. So he knows the game. Will there be a conflict of interest with the coach?? Who knows but compare him to Chris Davies, who played junior football and state cricket which is considered the best domestic competition in the world, never played SANFL level football, let alone AFL, was a senior manager at the Australian Cricketers Association for a few years, then CEO of Woodville-West Torrens in the SANFL for 4 or 5 years and then GM Football Operations at the SANFL for 2 or 3 years.

So he has administration experience, but didnt play the sport at a high level, but played sport - cricket at a national level but not the international level. Vidmar played soccer at national and international level and has coached at national level and been an assistant coach at international level. Who is better to run the football program of either club?? Time will tell and in particular if the current coach Marco Kurz, who has played and coached in the Bundesliga, will they clash or will they respect each others position but have robust discussions?? I will watch with interest.

Vidmar is also famous for labeling Adelaide a pissant town - but he was more referring to journalists and people in higher places in soccer in Adelaide, but it stuck that he labelled the whole town, a pissant town.

I assume similar things happen regularly in Brasilian and South American football as well as Euro football.

But its not very common happening in Australian Football. Neil Balme who coached in the SANFL for 12 or 13 years and won a couple premierships at Norwood and then coached Melbourne for 5 seasons 1993-97, is really the only ex AFL coach who has taken that position.

In the famous 2006 Geelong Review that I know you read my post I made back in 2008 when I copied the letter of what the Geelong CEO wrote to his members in 2006 - cut and pasting from the Geelong board 2 years later when Port did their review and I compared the two - the major Geelong recommendation was to appoint a GM Football Operations. He was appointed at the end of 2006 and left at end of 2014, helping Geelong win 3 premierships make the 2008 GF and 2 more Preliminary finals and 2 more finals series. He goes to Collingwood at end of 2014, Geelong miss finals in 2015 for first time since 2006, he goes back and works at Collingwood where he worked as GM Football Operations between 2000-2006 and then in September 2016 after Richmond have a disaster year (like Geelong's 2006) he is appointed GM Football Operations at Richmond, where he played 160 games in the 1970's and they won a premiership and look like winning another one this year.

So I now get why you started this thread.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/footb...o/news-story/681add20832e3064979c72ac532f20d1
AURELIO Vidmar is returning to Adelaide United as the A-League club’s director of football.

And the Reds have appointed Nathan Kosmina, son of ex-coach John Kosmina, as chief executive officer after being acting CEO for the past year. Vidmar was Adelaide’s inaugural captain and also the Reds’ coach from 2007-10 before joining the Australian set-up, where he had stints as a Socceroos assistant and coach of the under-23 national team. “It means a lot (to come back), it has been a massive part of my playing and coaching career,” Vidmar told reporters on Wednesday. “I’m very pleased. Obviously it’s going to be a big challenge but nothing that hasn’t been thrown my way in the past.” Vidmar was most recently manager of Bangkok Glass in Thailand in 2016-17 but said he had no ambition to again coach the Reds.

“That is definitely not going to happen while I’m in this role,” he said. “I have to make that crystal clear, it won’t happen.” Vidmar infamously described Adelaide as a “piss-ant town” after coaching United to a 2009 A-League semi-final loss, saying at the time the club was riddled with internal politics and hidden agendas. “You had to bring it up,” Vidmar said on Wednesday. “What is extremely important is that there is football people here now and that is exciting. “The board is extremely impressive and just with views and discussions I have had over the last couple of weeks has convinced me enough to say that the club is heading in the right direction.” Vidmar said his role would encompass United’s men’s, women’s, youth and academy teams.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/footb...o/news-story/681add20832e3064979c72ac532f20d1

 

[JUSTWORK]

Davies can **** right of as head of football. Lets actually get someone who knows a thing or two about successful footy clubs and push Davies into somewhere he can do less damage because the football department has gone backwards under him.

 

[GremioPower]

GremioPower here is something to ponder.

The local A League club Adelaide United (AU) has just appointed their ex coach as Director of Football ie the equivalent of Port's General Manager of Football Operations role.

Aurelio Vidmar was coach of AU between 2007-10. He started off as an 18 year old with Adelaide City in the old National Soccer League when he was 18 back in 1985 and played 6 years there before playing for a handful of clubs in Europe including Feynord and came back and played for Adelaide City 1999-2003. They folded well not folded gone forever, but left the NSL as could afford to maintain a team in the league, and returned to the state league. Adelaide United was formed and they played the 2003-04 season in the old NSL, then there was no national league in 2004-05 as the game restructured in Oz and in 2005-06 he was appointed assistant coach for Adelaide United in the first year of A League as a 38-39 year old, after deciding at the last minute to retire just before the season kicked off, and next year took over as coach. He played 44 times for Australia.

His brother Tony was a better player, was 3 year younger, started off playing for Adelaide City when he was 19, spent a decade from 1995 in Europe playing for a handful of clubs came back to Oz at the start of the new A League, played a few years for Central Coast Mariners in Gosford which is about 80kms from Sydney and almost a very outer suburb of Sydney as people do live there and catch the train or drive to Sydney and he played 76 times for Australia including world cup in Germany in 2006.

I'm giving you the background to show that an old player, an international player and old coach of AU has been appointed their director of football. So he knows the game. Will there be a conflict of interest with the coach?? Who knows but compare him to Chris Davies, who played junior football and state cricket which is considered the best domestic competition in the world, never played SANFL level football, let alone AFL, was a senior manager at the Australian Cricketers Association for a few years, then CEO of Woodville-West Torrens in the SANFL for 4 or 5 years and then GM Football Operations at the SANFL for 2 or 3 years.

So he has administration experience, but didnt play the sport at a high level, but played sport - cricket at a national level but not the international level. Vidmar played soccer at national and international level and has coached at national level and been an assistant coach at international level. Who is better to run the football program of either club?? Time will tell and in particular if the current coach Marco Kurz, who has played and coached in the Bundesliga, will they clash or will they respect each others position but have robust discussions?? I will watch with interest.

Vidmar is also famous for labeling Adelaide a pissant town - but he was more referring to journalists and people in higher places in soccer in Adelaide, but it stuck that he labelled the whole town, a pissant town.

I assume similar things happen regularly in Brasilian and South American football as well as Euro football.

But its not very common happening in Australian Football. Neil Balme who coached in the SANFL for 12 or 13 years and won a couple premierships at Norwood and then coached Melbourne for 5 seasons 1993-97, is really the only ex AFL coach who has taken that position.

In the famous 2006 Geelong Review that I know you read my post (and pasted it in the Koch review thread) I made back in 2008 when I copied the letter of what the Geelong CEO wrote to his members in 2006 - cut and pasting from the Geelong board 2 years later when Port did their review and I compared the two - the major Geelong recommendation was to appoint a GM Football Operations. He was appointed at the end of 2006 and left at end of 2014, helping Geelong win 3 premierships make the 2008 GF and 2 more Preliminary finals and 2 more finals series. He goes to Collingwood at end of 2014, Geelong miss finals in 2015 for first time since 2006, he goes back and works at Collingwood where he worked as GM Football Operations between 2000-2006 and then in September 2016 after Richmond have a disaster year (like Geelong's 2006) he is appointed GM Football Operations at Richmond, where he played 160 games in the 1970's and they won a premiership and look like winning another one this year.

So I know get why you started this thread.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/footb...o/news-story/681add20832e3064979c72ac532f20d1
AURELIO Vidmar is returning to Adelaide United as the A-League club’s director of football.

And the Reds have appointed Nathan Kosmina, son of ex-coach John Kosmina, as chief executive officer after being acting CEO for the past year. Vidmar was Adelaide’s inaugural captain and also the Reds’ coach from 2007-10 before joining the Australian set-up, where he had stints as a Socceroos assistant and coach of the under-23 national team. “It means a lot (to come back), it has been a massive part of my playing and coaching career,” Vidmar told reporters on Wednesday. “I’m very pleased. Obviously it’s going to be a big challenge but nothing that hasn’t been thrown my way in the past.” Vidmar was most recently manager of Bangkok Glass in Thailand in 2016-17 but said he had no ambition to again coach the Reds.

“That is definitely not going to happen while I’m in this role,” he said. “I have to make that crystal clear, it won’t happen.” Vidmar infamously described Adelaide as a “piss-ant town” after coaching United to a 2009 A-League semi-final loss, saying at the time the club was riddled with internal politics and hidden agendas. “You had to bring it up,” Vidmar said on Wednesday. “What is extremely important is that there is football people here now and that is exciting. “The board is extremely impressive and just with views and discussions I have had over the last couple of weeks has convinced me enough to say that the club is heading in the right direction.” Vidmar said his role would encompass United’s men’s, women’s, youth and academy teams.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/footb...o/news-story/681add20832e3064979c72ac532f20d1

Davies can **** right of as head of football. Lets actually get someone who knows a thing or two about successful footy clubs and push Davies into somewhere he can do less damage because the football department has gone backwards under him.

I am more and more convinced we should make Hinkley our GM and get a new Senior Coach:
http://farwestfooty.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-riddle-of-sphinkley-ii-possible.html

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I am more and more convinced we should make Hinkley our GM and get a new Senior Coach:
http://farwestfooty.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-riddle-of-sphinkley-ii-possible.html

I dont think Hinkley should be our GM Football Operations straight after his coaching stint finishes.

Vidmar spent 6 years as an assistant coach with the Socceroos as well as coaching the national U/20 and U/23 teams ie the Olympic games squad which we call the Olyroos. So he had time away from AU before he came back. Balme has never gone back to Melbourne and it was a 36 year gap between going back to Richmond as a administrator after being a player there.

Some people would like to see Mark Williams back at the club in some role - others dont want Choco anywhere near the club. I think Hinkley will split supporters opinion in a similar manner after he finishes up as coach.

 

[GremioPower]

I dont think Hinkley should be our GM Football Operations straight after his coaching stint finishes.

Vidmar spent 6 years as an assistant coach with the Socceroos as well as coaching the national U/20 and U/23 teams ie the Olympic games squad which we call the Olyroos. So he had time away from AU before he came back. Balme has never gone back to Melbourne and it was a 36 year gap between going back to Richmond as a administrator after being a player there.

Some people would like to see Mark Williams back at the club in some role - others dont want Choco anywhere near the club. I think Hinkley will split supporters opinion in a similar manner after he finishes up as coach.

I will politely disagree. I mean it now. I would do it immediately. My assumption is that he already is our GM, but that the role is intertwined with coaching (like it was at Geelong).

I believe Hinkley should pick one role and leave the other to someone else. For many reasons, my opinion is that the managerial position would suit him better.

 

[jackster83]

Davies can **** right of as head of football. Lets actually get someone who knows a thing or two about successful footy clubs and push Davies into somewhere he can do less damage because the football department has gone backwards under him.

Could be worse. At least you don't have Burton.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I know its a bit early and rather than start a new thread, yesterday's and today's trades has me thinking this is how CD has handled things so far.