Roast Chris Mayne Why?

[Boris the Contradiction]

I am really hoping that there is something like this going on behind the scenes.

I am almost certain of it.

I do deals for a living and invariably the seller does not care how the buyer obtains the means to make payment. They only care that the right amount is paid.

There are only a few ways to obtain trade value in the AFL system. This is a new and perfectly sensible option. You won't see clubs advertising it because it will attract criticism, but I guarantee it will be happening.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I am almost certain of it.

I do deals for a living and invariably the seller does not care how the buyer obtains the means to make payment. They only care that the right amount is paid.

There are only a few ways to obtain trade value in the AFL system. This is a new and perfectly sensible option. You won't see clubs advertising it because it will attract criticism, but I guarantee it will be happening.

Why wasnt this supposed deal done last year?

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Why wasnt this supposed deal done last year?

Who knows.

Maybe there is a restricted free agent we want who comes out of contact this year, and Fremantle have agreed not to match our offer.

Maybe one of our players will be going there, but Fremantle couldn't afford the trade because they were committed to Hill, Hamling and McCarthy. They then pay overs to us this year to get us into the first round.

Maybe we didn't have the remaining currency required to get the trade done last year because we didn't have a first rounder and our second was being used on Hoskin-Elliott.

.....I don't have it in writing.

I just know that our club is a business and you don't pay $1,000,000 for a banged up Datsun Prairie.

You don't intentionally pay overs for any commodity. If we only wanted Mayne for Mayne, we would have gotten him for far less. He had no bargaining power and either did Freo, because the player was not in demand.

 

[MarkT2]

Boris, you do when you are poorly run. That's why clubs slide down the ladder and why they stay there. We have gone from being one of the very best run clubs to also rans ain every aspect except supporter numbers which is frankly what is propping us up.

 

[Kirby]

I can tell you with a 100% certainty that Mayne was not Hine's choice and that he was directed by Gubby Allan to recruit him.

Hine is currently nervous about his position in this review, particularly as List Manager.

Hine was responsible for selecting Wells though (which i don't have a problem with).

 

[Quicky]

Wells is in our best five players and hasn't lost his pace. It's obvious why we got him. The alternative was to fill the spot with a player we didn't rate and we have to pay the (soon to be increasing) salary cap each year anyway. May as well use it on quality.

Mayne....

I think we've done a deal with Freo on this one which involved us overpaying Mayne on a lengthy contract to increase the compensation that they got. There is someone on their list who we want this year and who wants to get to us. I think they will count the compensation last year at part of the consideration and will not make it difficult for the player to get to us. Who that player is, I have no idea.

Balic maybe. Langdon was linked to us too, but doesn't excite me. I'm not sure who else it might be.

 

[rand corp]

Talk of Gubby returning next year makes me shudder,

Mayne is the worst signing at Collingwood in 50 years, I cannot fathom how we even considered it, let alone actually went ahead with it.

I can at least see what a fit and firing Wells has to offer the group, gets plenty of ball and an elite user, just almost certainly too late to fulfill his promise at the level we need both consistently and for the length of his contract.

 

[doodles98]

Not sure what i'd do with Mayne, paying him out might be the way to go, i have a question for those in the know, if we're not paying 100% of our cap this year (and i'd be shocked if we were) can we add his potential payout to this years cap?

There's no point keeping him on the list if he isn't going to play in the seniors, better off using his spot to draft an extra kid this year.

Uses for Mayne over the next 3 and a bit years is now a bit of a quandry for the club isnt it. I'd try him out in the backline for a while in the VFL and see if he can become useful that way. Otherwise he could always do us all a favour and end his career by punching the bejeebus out of Joel Sellwood one game.

 

[doodles98]

Talk of Gubby returning next year makes me shudder,

Mayne is the worst signing at Collingwood in 50 years, I cannot fathom how we even considered it, let alone actually went ahead with it.

I can at least see what a fit and firing Wells has to offer the group, gets plenty of ball and an elite user, just almost certainly too late to fulfill his promise at the level we need both consistently and for the length of his contract.

Chad Morrison and Graeme Teasedale say hi.

 

[Anzacday]

Chad Fletcher Rintoul and Graeme Teasedale say hi.

Fixed

 

[doodles98]

Who knows.

Maybe there is a restricted free agent we want who comes out of contact this year, and Fremantle have agreed not to match our offer.

Maybe one of our players will be going there, but Fremantle couldn't afford the trade because they were committed to Hill, Hamling and McCarthy. They then pay overs to us this year to get us into the first round.

Maybe we didn't have the remaining currency required to get the trade done last year because we didn't have a first rounder and our second was being used on Hoskin-Elliott.

.....I don't have it in writing.

I just know that our club is a business and you don't pay $1,000,000 for a banged up Datsun Prairie.

You don't intentionally pay overs for any commodity. If we only wanted Mayne for Mayne, we would have gotten him for far less. He had no bargaining power and either did Freo, because the player was not in demand.

I believed it was Fyfe related for a while. But Nup. There is no cunning plan... We just are that incompetent.

 

[doodles98]

Fixed

No not him either...
Chad Morrison was it?

 

[doodles98]

Fixed

Anyway.. I don't know what you're talking about now

 

[half_back_flank]

Talk of Gubby returning next year makes me shudder,

Mayne is the worst signing at Collingwood in 50 years, I cannot fathom how we even considered it, let alone actually went ahead with it.

It really isn't.

Not denying he been a bust, but thanks to FA luckily we've only given up salary cap space for him, not draft picks or players. Far from the worst signing in 50 years, that's just hyperbole.

 

[half_back_flank]

No not him either...
Chad Morrison was it?

Yep. The Chad of the Rintoul variety only cost a preseason pick.

 

[Anzacday]

No not him either...
Chad Morrison was it?

Unfortunately Rintoul and Morrison both played for us.
Rintoul 2001-2002 and Morrison 2004-2006.

 

[doodles98]

Unfortunately Rintoul and Morrison both played for us.
Rintoul 2001-2002 and Morrison 2004-2006.

I have zero recollection of Rintoul. I'm guessing I didn't miss much.

 

[unplugged]

Mayne....

I think we've done a deal with Freo on this one which involved us overpaying Mayne on a lengthy contract to increase the compensation that they got. There is someone on their list who we want this year and who wants to get to us. I think they will count the compensation last year at part of the consideration and will not make it difficult for the player to get to us. Who that player is, I have no idea.

I've believed this from day one. However I originally thought it would be Fyfe... now I'm thinking it's probably Ed Langdon :/

Would prefer Darcy Tucker though.

 

[mike123]

It really isn't.

Not denying he been a bust, but thanks to FA luckily we've only given up salary cap space for him, not draft picks or players. Far from the worst signing in 50 years, that's just hyperbole.

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[half_back_flank]

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Act is the missing word I presume?

Giving Mayne 400 - 500k a year after giving up nothing is clearly not the worst deal we've done in 50 years. To argue otherwise is idiotic.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

I've believed this from day one. However I originally thought it would be Fyfe... now I'm thinking it's probably Ed Langdon :/

Would prefer Darcy Tucker though.

I think it could be Langdon as well

 

[Quicky]

I have zero recollection of Rintoul. I'm guessing I didn't miss much.

He didn't play many games for us. He had a history of concussions before he came to us. And copped a bad concussion early on for us. He was a hard player! Ended up having such bad migraines he had to retire. He doesn't deserve to be in the Mayne discussion.

 

[Apex36]

Who knows.

Maybe there is a restricted free agent we want who comes out of contact this year, and Fremantle have agreed not to match our offer.

Maybe one of our players will be going there, but Fremantle couldn't afford the trade because they were committed to Hill, Hamling and McCarthy. They then pay overs to us this year to get us into the first round.

Maybe we didn't have the remaining currency required to get the trade done last year because we didn't have a first rounder and our second was being used on Hoskin-Elliott.

.....I don't have it in writing.

I just know that our club is a business and you don't pay $1,000,000 for a banged up Datsun Prairie.

You don't intentionally pay overs for any commodity. If we only wanted Mayne for Mayne, we would have gotten him for far less. He had no bargaining power and either did Freo, because the player was not in demand.

You'd be furious if you knew the reason I've heard why Gubby recruited, and then upped Maynes deal.

It's second hand info so I won't repeat it, but it's shifty as **** and provides no benefit to the club.

 

[Jabso]

Regardless of the amount he's being paid it seems there is a split in opinion as Buckley doesnt favour him at all despite opportunities to play him. I think some judgements on him were made in error but the game in general as well as our gameplan has made his type of player redundant. Teams don't respect a tall marking player anymore and will roll the dice on a smaller player. These types match up well on Mayne. Our situation of having dunn and a medium "flex" defender as our 2 keys is similar to other clubs and this doesn't create favourable match ups.

Also teams just arent playing 3 tall forwards anymore and that is the role he needs to play. Much like white except mayne has superior work rate and defensive capabilties. We initially went after Howe to fill this role but this role is redundant now.

 

[Damon_3388]

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It's not, but you do need to meet a minimum of TPP as well, which we would have been scrambling to do after dumping $2.5-$3m in salary from the books during the off-season.