News Clarkson to step away from football indefinitely

‘Heavy toll’: Roos blindsided by Clarkson decision to step away

North Melbourne are unsure how long Alastair Clarkson will need away from the game, but the club’s football boss Todd Viney, a friend of the master coach, is confident he will not be lost to the sport.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Toump Ass]

From the Age article:

Sources said he was unlikely to participate in the planned mediation session with the former Hawthorn players and the Hawks, along with Brisbane Lions coach Chris Fagan and former welfare officer Jason Burt scheduled for next Tuesday in Adelaide.

What's with that?

 

[Blue1980]

Another terrific example of the wonderful world we now live in. The accusers get to throw mud uninhibited and anonymously, while the accused have their names dragged through the mud in the public forum. Not one single piece of evidence has been produced to back up any one or more of the allegations made. Documents requested by the accused for their consideration are being actively withheld. Yet the accused are hung, drawn and quartered by elements of the media. Laughable really

Has Clarko really been treated that badly by the media? All I have seen this year is him being treated as a coach of a club which is pretty crappy on-field.

 

[Underdog]

Reckon he'll go after Hawks for compo/damages?

On what basis?

 

[Belnakor]

I can only speak for myself, if it’s proven I agree that he should be punished severely, I’ve been consistent on that.

But at present there has been a fair few issues with the process and it has affected his ability to defend himself.

You definitively stated he’s guilty , no one knows that.

people keep complaining about the process. Whats wrong with the process? They are investigating and gathering information on the allegations.

This doesn't mean he can't defend himself. He just needs to wait until the process is over.

 

[South of the Yarra]

And on a day that Gill announces AFL support to 'The Voice'.

 

[Chief]

Isnt that the way mediation works? You go to mediation and any agreement made is binding, or if no solution is found the next step is court?

You CAN make binding agreements about part or all of the issue.

 

[Chat Pile]

I wonder if any North supporters have the self awareness to rethink the uncontrolled glee with which they greeted every turn of the Essendon drug saga.

There but for the grace of god, and all that

I don't think any non-essendon supporter would do anything differently. It was glorious.

 

[Le Grille]

people keep complaining about the process. Whats wrong with the process? They are investigating and gathering information on the allegations.

This doesn't mean he can't defend himself. He just needs to wait until the process is over.

Well he’s been judged as guilty by many, take this thread for example

Mediation demanded 18 items, many of which is an admission of wrongdoing which they are denying

They have been denied information they feel is pertinent to any discussions

 

[Blue1980]

So I'm a white man, I like one white man but don't like the other and I don't spend time with him, does that make me racist?

Simplistic, I mean even if you allow the reported Clarko actions not being racist, how much better does it make them? He is just a complete campaigner, which makes it ok?

I do think from what is reported some racist stereotyping was involved, like guys who were seen to be assimilated more or the better players (Burgoyne, Franklin, Cyril) accepted and left to do what they do.

The younger more fringe to the team aboriginal players though, seen to be potential drug addicts, assume bad families etc.

That is from what stories have been told.

 

[freddy mercury]

Yes.

Yeah, right, I always never like their personalities.

 

[South of the Yarra]

So I'm a white man, I like one white man but don't like the other and I don't spend time with him, does that make me racist?

You know the answer to that. Racism is not based on someone 'liking' or 'disliking' someone. It is the action related to that. You are a smart enough person to know what racism is.

 

[Belnakor]

On what basis?

100%

the hawk's process was damning
the reporter's story was damning
afl the process hasn't even been completed

If it's not true, then sue the reporter for defamation. Oh wait he hasn't done that.

The hawks/AFL aren't doing anything other than trying to get the full information.

 

[rye]

Why shouldn’t we have hired him?

To my knowledge the investigation wasn’t a thing until after we signed him.

She’s a maggot and definitely had contact with AFL officials over the years in regards to our plight. She’s nowhere near solely to blame for this though but she has inspired a whole generation of so called journalists to focus only on the negatives of football

i believe clarkson formally started at north after the investigation was made public.

you had the opportunity in the interim between signing and having him commence at the club to reevaluate whether he was the person you wanted to lead your football club or to seek an alternative.

having gone ahead and backed in clarkson before a relationship had been formed between him and the club then i cant say i feel much sympathy for north having to bear the consequences of that action. you knew what you were getting into.

 

[_Cerberus_]

The amount of people taking sides in this thread, or claiming Clarko is innocent etc.

Absolutely no one here is part of the investigation, and no one here has a single piece of the evidence that the panel putting together as part of their findings. Of course Clarko deserves benefit of the doubt until findings are released. And at the same time, those who shared their stories deserve to have their side of things treated with sensitivity and respect given the nature of their claims. And deserve to have themselves heard.

Sure, nothing concrete has been released showing Clarko in the wrong. But at the same time nothing has been shown to show he is not in the wrong either. No one should be riding hard on either side until the findings are actually released.

It is a complex issue, that will likely produce no winners.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It's not just him or even just these three - we live in a society that happily ignores the right to presumption of innocence, led by a largely woke media who crucify anyone from a "majority" when they get the chance. (edit: this coming from a guy who's never voted for libs and previously voted greens many times)

Regardless of personal opinions, how many times was it published that Higgins was a victim of rape?
Or that these former players were "victims"?

Pathetic country and that's on us for staying silent and allowing this giant guilt trip to happen

Geez mate..

Getting a bit worked up over it arent ya.. “waah, its all become so woke” has just become the childish catchcry of the angry and easily worked up these days.

I hate to tell you but a great majority of us really couldnt give a fxxk about anything more than paying the next bill and hoping we have some coin left over after it to spend on some luxuries like a carton of piss. Ignorance is bliss.

If your blaming anyone.. its not “the country” or “society” thats fxxked this whole thing up.

Its the absolute morons that currently “run” the AFL.

He was never gonna be found innocent or guilty because the AFL have been doing all it can to keep the whole thing “in-house”. You can only be adjudged innocent or guilty in a real court of law!.

They have once again, in their desperation to control the narrative, completely ballsed it all up again..

“Independent investigation”… pfffft.
It shouldve been handed over to the proper authorities to investigate, and charge if necessary, from the start.

 

[Del165198]

And on a day that Gill announces AFL support to 'The Voice'.

Careful, my post got deleted for mentioning that the timing is odd given we are just one day from indigenous round.
I don't think that's trolling, it certainly seems possible that maybe the AFL applied some pressure to Clarkson to step down...

 

[Saint]

Yeah but then weve heard contradictions of events that went on, what's the truth?

What contradictions have you heard? The publicly available allegations are pretty detailed.

And the response so far has been "that's not the way I remember things" with absolutely no specifics the other way. Not that the meeting didn't happen, not that they never went to the players' houses. There are lots of specifics that they could publicly refute easily if they never happened.

And now, for legal reasons, they won't tell their side of the story to the inquiry (or anyone else). Why haven't they told their story?
1) the stories are true and they mostly just want to discredit the complainants by having documented evidence of mental health problems of the complainants.
2) The stories cannot be disproven and the coaches/accused, for legal reasons, don't want to go down the road where it might look like they maybe did it because, for example, parts of the stories are true.

If these coaches had definitive proof that they didn't do any of it, they would have specific information which they should not really have any reason not to share with the inquiry. The reason they're not sharing with the inquiry is because they don't have that info and are keeping any information to themselves as leverage to get the mental/health records, which the players' lawyers will never allow them to have.

I feel bad primarily for the players, but also for the coaches, it's really a tragedy for everyone and the lessons must be learnt so that it doesn't happen again.

The AFL's inquiry has hit a dead-end because the lawyers are more afraid of civil litigation than any AFL penalty.

If the AFL have to deliver a verdict on Hawthorn's employees behaviour, all they'll have to go on are the stories of the players and no refutation from the accused. That's very bad for Hawthorn.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Bahahaha this is gold,
Seriously point on the doll where north supporters hurt you so bad.

Didn't affect me, it's got nothing to do with us supporters - we weren't at the centre of it.

Think harder.

 

[LightTower4]

Why do I see similarities of how people are treated these days via the mainstream media with the knock on effect to social media and the Salem witch trials.

 

[Financialpanther]

i believe clarkson formally started at north after the investigation was made public.

you had the opportunity in the interim between signing and having him commence at the club to reevaluate whether he was the person you wanted to lead your football club or to seek an alternative.

having gone ahead and backed in clarkson before a relationship had been formed between him and the club then i cant say i feel much sympathy for north having to bear the consequences of that action. you knew what you were getting into.

You have a copy of Clarko's contract? Reason being, what clauses were in there to allow North to walk away which would have more than likely left them entirely exposed to litigation.

 

[Saint]

Reckon he'll go after Hawks for compo/damages?

How would that go?

The Hawks would say "look at all these terrible things these players said you did, we just published what they said"

Then Clarkson has to tell his side of the story and it has to convince the jury/judge that Hawthorn FC should have known the stories were factually incorrect before printing them in their report which wasn't even public. Clarkson could sue the ABC more easily and he hasn't. Funny that.

 

[The Gotham Penguin]

He's had 9 games.

His last 2 seasons at Hawthorn were awful. Players unhappy, staff unhappy.Recruitment terrible.
Assaulting the CEO. The list goes on.

He has been sussed.

 

[rye]

You have a copy of Clarko's contract? Reason being, what clauses were in there to allow North to walk away which would have more than likely left them entirely exposed to litigation.

even if there were no contractual claims that could get north out of the contract, pretty sure all afl coach contracts have a maximum payout of 6mo of wages

take the financial hit and move on

 

[Blue1980]

The amount of people taking sides in this thread, or claiming Clarko is innocent etc.

Absolutely no one here is part of the investigation, and no one here has a single piece of the evidence that the panel putting together as part of their findings. Of course Clarko deserves benefit of the doubt until findings are released. And at the same time, those who shared their stories deserve to have their side of things treated with sensitivity and respect given the nature of their claims. And deserve to have themselves heard.

Sure, nothing concrete has been released showing Clarko in the wrong. But at the same time nothing has been shown to show he is not in the wrong either. No one should be riding hard on either side until the findings are actually released.

Correct, the Clarko being persecuted/driven out of town by "the mob" is ridiculous.

It happens all the time when people are under investigation for various things step down for a period of time while it is being resolved.

I mean I get it to a point, no one wants to think the kind of shit that has been claimed happens, and we would all like things to tick along normally with everyone happy. Unfortunately we don't live in that world, and things like this need to be investigated properly, no matter how uncomfortable it makes people feel.

I mean there may be no criminal offence committed, but those crying people are willing to hang Clarko out to dry are doing the same of the people accusing Clarko. I personally think, the chance of the whole thing being made up is 0%, and it is just a matter of some further context Clarko & Co could put around what occured (maybe the players had more issues they were trying to assist with etc).

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

The way the AFL has tried to force 'mediation' is a joke.
Mediation is just another word for ' let's pretend we are all super best friends and let the guilty get off with a warning'